Hyatt sitting not an issue

[BigALWiLson]

Sure ... and the overall perception of the program can be boosted or diminished with the bowl game performance.

If you were to ask the average Tennessee fan over the age of 40 to name the biggest 10 Tennessee wins of their lifetime, the 35-7 win over Miami in the 1986 Sugar Bowl is a game that will make everyone's top 10 ... and yet, by the standards of today, it was a "meaningless" game. Miami entered the game with the possibility of a share of the National Championship on the line, but the only things Tennessee was playing for were a top 5 finish and pride - just like with the Orange Bowl vs Clemson. What if WR Tim McGhee had sat out the game? It wouldn't have been any different than what Hyatt is doing.

Meh, times were different back then and I doubt Opting out was a real option. Of course back then no where near as many JRs declaring for the draft. Make no mistake it is a rat race to get yours today. Take Tillman and Hyatt. Both are now competing to be selected, both have very different skills but they have to prepare to show their true value. Sure there is plenty of tape on both. True measurables, speed, hands, radius and strength. The other side are the interviews and conversations. I hope they are both drafted high and have solud NFL careers, was fun watching both dominate in different ways.

 

[Vol737]

I saw where they had some WWE Royal Rumble action at one of the Waffle Houses in Austin,TX this week. Had customers and staff involved with chairs thrown. Crazy stuff. Video I saw had some language in it, so I didn’t post it.

We should have a designated Waffle House thread in The Pub. Being that @joevol33 is not only the Trampoline King, but the undisputed, unbeaten Waffle House parking lot fight champion of the world…it does appear he has some competition on the horizon.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Meh, times were different back then and I doubt Opting out was a real option. Of course back then no where near as many JRs declaring for the draft. Make no mistake it is a rat race to get yours today. Take Tillman and Hyatt. Both are now competing to be selected, both have very different skills but they have to prepare to show their true value. Sure there is plenty of tape on both. True measurables, speed, hands, radius and strength. The other side are the interviews and conversations. I hope they are both drafted high and have solud NFL careers, was fun watching both dominate in different ways.

Quitting has always been an option. It just wasn't viewed as acceptable until Christian McCaffrey of Stanford began the trend 6 years ago.

Has anyone ever had as good a case for "opting out" as Peyton Manning had in the 1998 Orange Bowl vs Nebraska? He was the clear cut #1 overall pick in the 1998 NFL Draft and he had just suffered a ruptured bursa sac in one of his knees in the '97 SEC Championship Game vs Auburn. His stock had nowhere to go but downward. Tennessee wasn't playing for a share of the 1997 National Championship either, because Michigan had already won the Rose Bowl over Washington State and finished the season undefeated ... and yet, Manning still played.

 

[joevol33]

We should have a designated Waffle House thread in The Pub. Being that @joevol33 is not only the Trampoline King, but the undisputed, unbeaten Waffle House parking lot fight champion of the world…it does appear he has some competition on the horizon.

I still got the belt!

 

[KnoxRealtorVOL]

Exactly. Call me old school...because I am, but when someone does that, I got no use for 'em. In my book, they forfeit the VFL label because they placed their interests over that of the team. I call it selfish and a me first attitude. Like fefe said, he quit. Hooker is the only one I'll give a pass to. The others...good riddance. Yes, I know Tillman was still not 100% but suspect he is by now so I don't consider him injured. We might get the hell beat out of us, but I'd still rather have the kids who are out there fighting for their school and mates over the so-called opt outs any day of the week.

I give a pass to Tillman. I don't think he's close to 100%, and he could easily re-aggravate it.

 

[SpookyAction]

I'm probably the oddball here but I would take the exact opposite approach. I grew up in one of the poorest counties in all of Appalachia. Today we would be considered poor. Then we were "lower middle class". We didn't know it at the time but sometimes we ate things canned out of the garden because my parents had to stretch the food budget. Some of those 3 or 4 days of pintos weren't because mom and dad "loved them". They didn't get AC or powered heat until after I left home. We had a wood stove and hoped for a breeze through the window at night when it was so hot we couldn't sleep.

I had great parents who taught us good values and commitment and responsibility. I've been blessed and do reasonably well now.

All that to say this: I've been without money and I've had money... and my happiness was never tied to money. Some of the best years of my life were when my wife and I were starting a family and tight on money. We didn't take vacations but found fun things to do together.

I would advise my kid to do what gave him joy and would create the best memories 20 years from now. What would give him "pride"?

For these reasons... and because after all of these years I remember my last HS game... a 7-6 loss in the state semi-finals... I'd play. The risks aren't that high. The rewards you can't put a price on.

I agree with your philosophy and your advice to your children.

I owned a company with a partner. We made huge profits the first year. He lost his half in a divorce the next year, and she sold it to my biggest competitor. I couldn't match their offer. Within 60 days I had lost my business and was ruined.
It was a true life altering event. I went from six figures to zero salary overnight. Today I make far less than half that salary.
If I had any possible way to avoid the financial loss, I would have taken it.

Hyatt has life-changing money on the table. I would applaud him louder than anyone if he played. My life experience says don't risk the big payoff. He owes it to his future self and family to protect that future.

He has the opportunity to make his children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren financially sound. Even a small risk is too much at this moment for him. IMO.

Exactly. Call me old school...because I am, but when someone does that, I got no use for 'em. In my book, they forfeit the VFL label because they placed their interests over that of the team. I call it selfish and a me first attitude. Like fefe said, he quit. Hooker is the only one I'll give a pass to. The others...good riddance. Yes, I know Tillman was still not 100% but suspect he is by now so I don't consider him injured. We might get the hell beat out of us, but I'd still rather have the kids who are out there fighting for their school and mates over the so-called opt outs any day of the week.

You would take their VFL label for sitting out a bowl game?
Hyatt and Tillman have put their bodies on the line for years for UT.
Glad it is not your title to give or take.

I doubt any of their teammates would strip them of their right to be Vols. Some fans are far more upset than their coaches or teammates. Think about that.
I want him to play because we are far less potent without these receivers, but 100% back his decision.

 

[Voltopia]

Quitting has always been an option. It just wasn't viewed as acceptable until Christian McCaffrey of Stanford began the trend 6 years ago.

Has anyone ever had as good a case for "opting out" as Peyton Manning had in the 1998 Orange Bowl vs Nebraska? He was the clear cut #1 overall pick in the 1998 NFL Draft and he had just suffered a ruptured bursa sac in one of his knees in the '97 SEC Championship Game vs Auburn. His stock had nowhere to go but downward. Tennessee wasn't playing for a share of the 1997 National Championship either, because Michigan had already won the Rose Bowl over Washington State and finished the season undefeated ... and yet, Manning still played.

Not just a good case, but Tennessee was malfeasant to have let him play. Same for Marcus Nash. They should have both sat out. Probably even Jamal Lewis, really.

 

[BowlBrother85]

nm.

 

[Voltopia]

That is ridiculous.... and why would you bring up Jamal Lewis? He was just a freshman at the time, and wasn't injured.

Did I need to add the /s to indicate sarcasm there? I probably should have added the /s. I was making fun of the mindset they should have sat. That's why I included Jamal Lewis. I know he was a freshman. But he was tabbed for the NFL from day 1. In fact, those can't miss pro prospects really shouldn't even be taking a snap in college. Can't be too careful!

 

[BowlBrother85]

Did I need to add the /s to indicate sarcasm there? I probably should have added the /s. I was making fun of the mindset they should have sat. That's why I included Jamal Lewis. I know he was a freshman. But he was tabbed for the NFL from day 1. In fact, those can't miss pro prospects really shouldn't even be taking a snap in college. Can't be too careful!

I see ... my bad.

 

[Voltopia]

I see ... my bad.

All good, I feel your point. No worries man. Just having fun with it. Only one day left in the season for us, after all.

 

[sjt18]

I agree with your philosophy and your advice to your children.

I owned a company with a partner. We made huge profits the first year. He lost his half in a divorce the next year, and she sold it to my biggest competitor. I couldn't match their offer. Within 60 days I had lost my business and was ruined.
It was a true life altering event. I went from six figures to zero salary overnight. Today I make far less than half that salary.
If I had any possible way to avoid the financial loss, I would have taken it.

Hyatt has life-changing money on the table. I would applaud him louder than anyone if he played. My life experience says don't risk the big payoff. He owes it to his future self and family to protect that future.

He has the opportunity to make his children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren financially sound. Even a small risk is too much at this moment for him. IMO.

Do you think you are happier or less happy? Have things happened in your life because of that loss that you wouldn't trade for the difference?

I've been blessed. But I could have gone further and made more. I stayed in a job for about 7 years that I should have left after 3. My growth and salary were basically on hold for those years. I did it because we valued the country, small town lifestyle that we were able to raise our kids in. It was safe and afforded them experiences that far too many kids don't get today. Not many kids learn how to drive a tractor or grain truck at 12.... for example. My kids are definitely better off. I don't regret that trade.

 

[Vol737]

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I still got the belt!

That is EPIC!

 

[OrangeInKy]

Bro…

 

[Rocky Top T]

This biggest deal is who is going to make a tackle with Banks out? Maybe Beasley.

 

[Stonewall83]

It is a meaningless game which has the potential to deprive him of a future he's worked hard to achieve.

I keep seeing this. But he played in the Vandy game.

 

[Stonewall83]

I give a pass to Tillman. I don't think he's close to 100%, and he could easily re-aggravate it.

100%

He hasn’t been 100% for months. Makes perfect sense in his case. There’s nothing wrong with Hyatt

 

[vols40]

Season is done . Bowl game is a exhibition if your not in the playoff. You still play to win, haven’t met anybody who has played any sport in the back yard that doesn’t mean Jack not want to win.

Disagree. Season is not over. Therefore he quit.

 

[vols40]

Same thing when you leave your job. Spin it however you want . Hypocrite

Lol. You know you win an argument when the response is hypocrite. I don't call it opting out.

 

[vols40]

I agree with your philosophy and your advice to your children.

I owned a company with a partner. We made huge profits the first year. He lost his half in a divorce the next year, and she sold it to my biggest competitor. I couldn't match their offer. Within 60 days I had lost my business and was ruined.
It was a true life altering event. I went from six figures to zero salary overnight. Today I make far less than half that salary.
If I had any possible way to avoid the financial loss, I would have taken it.

Hyatt has life-changing money on the table. I would applaud him louder than anyone if he played. My life experience says don't risk the big payoff. He owes it to his future self and family to protect that future.

He has the opportunity to make his children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren financially sound. Even a small risk is too much at this moment for him. IMO.


You would take their VFL label for sitting out a bowl game?
Hyatt and Tillman have put their bodies on the line for years for UT.
Glad it is not your title to give or take.

I doubt any of their teammates would strip them of their right to be Vols. Some fans are far more upset than their coaches or teammates. Think about that.
I want him to play because we are far less potent without these receivers, but 100% back his decision.

I love how the conversation has shifted to Tillman and Hyatt. Most give Tillman some slack considering what his season turned into. Hyatt is not injured nor did he sit out for 7 weeks this year after surgery.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Season is done . Bowl game is a exhibition if your not in the playoff. You still play to win, haven’t met anybody who has played any sport in the back yard that doesn’t mean Jack not want to win.

Will the game with Clemson count in Tennessee's official 2022 won/loss record, and will this game have any bearing on where Tennessee finishes ranked for the 2022 season? If so, then it's more than just an exhibition game, and the season is not over.

 

[SpookyAction]

3 yr old article about this topic
"NFL execs weigh in on how they evaluate players' decisions to skip bowl games
Over the last few seasons, a number of top college athletes have decided to skip their teams’ bowl games in order to protect their NFL Draft stock.

But, what do NFL scouts think of those decisions? And, does it actually hurt their stock? AL.com spoke with a handful of executives who weighed in on the growing trend.

The consensus seems to be that NFL executives don’t hold business decisions against potential top players, although they do find certain parts of the decision-making process annoying:

“I don’t hold it against them,” one executive said.​

Another executive added that “old school” evaluators in the league might take issue with it but he understands they are business decisions.​

One circumstance that annoyed a third executive was a player skipping a bowl game but deciding to play in an all-star game, citing West Virginia quarterback Will Grier passing on the Camping World Bowl last season but participating in the Senior Bowl.​

The same executive said he gave additional credit to Kentucky pass rusher Josh Allen for playing in the Citrus Bowl last season. The 2018 SEC Defensive Player of the Year had already solidified his spot near the top of the draft but still suited up against Penn State, recording three sacks in his final college game. He later went No. 7 overall to the Jacksonville Jaguars.​

Several players are sitting out again this year, but others, like Alabama WR Jerry Jeudy and Auburn DT Derrick Brown, have opted to suit up once again."

 

[TheFlash1971]

Will the game with Clemson count in Tennessee's official 2022 won/loss record, and will this game have any bearing on where Tennessee finishes ranked for the 2022 season? If so, then it's more than just an exhibition game, and the season is not over.

Finishing ranking don’t mean jack. We have a good coach and that is what makes you good regardless of who plays or your after bowl game ranking. Been watching this for 40 years. We’ve been blown out , blew people out and depending on who are coach was it didn’t affect the next year at all.

 

[vols40]

Finishing ranking don’t mean jack. We have a good coach and that is what makes you good regardless of who plays or your after bowl game ranking. Been watching this for 40 years. We’ve been blown out , blew people out and depending on who are coach was it didn’t affect the next year at all.

2004 we smoked Texas A&M in the cotton bowl. 2005 we were 5-6 I believe

 

[BowlBrother85]

Finishing ranking don’t mean jack. We have a good coach and that is what makes you good regardless of who plays or your after bowl game ranking. Been watching this for 40 years. We’ve been blown out , blew people out and depending on who are coach was it didn’t affect the next year at all.

I disagree that where you finish doesn't mean jack. I've been watching just as long, and some of my best memories of Tennessee football were bowl games (1990 Cotton Bowl, 1986 Sugar Bowl, 1996 Citrus Bowl)... and in my lifetime, they have only played in one with a National Championship on the line. It has nothing to do with next season. These games count and they are of a higher profile than most of our regular season games.