I will give Martin this "we are in much better shape going into SEC play"

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bleedingTNorange said:
Ok good deal, thought your OP was pretty clear, but maybe that's just me.

The funny thing about this "12 wins"....we won 12 last year including SECT and it wasn't enough...win 12 games this year and it's enough.

So yea, not the same, we are in better shape as you've said.
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So 11-7 along with 1 win over 200rpi win in the tourney will be enough??!
 
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BigZiti09 said:
I don't disagree with that but I just listed 10 teams with more talent. You are wrong.
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It's impossible for me to be wrong, because this is a basketball forum where people lay out their opinions.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
You have convinced yourself our players are better than they are. That, or you're not aware of how many teams have equal or better talent. Without even looking at rosters I could name 10. Michigan, Michigan state, unc, Duke, Kentucky, Florida, Memphis, UCLA, Ohio State, Kansas. I would say most if not all of those teams have more talent.
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I know it was just off the top of your head, but can't believe you left off Arizona. Glad UT didn't have them ooc this year. :)
 
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goldvol said:
I agree there is a difference between the 8th and 30th most talented teams. The problem becomes when you belittle me for an outrageous opinion, pompously spouting off, while the difference is not unfathomable.
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I didn't belittle you. You said if Cal was the coach we'd be in the elite 8 this year with te talent we have.

I laughed, because calipari had a hell of a lot more talent on his team last year than this Tennessee team has, yet he had them in the NIt.
 
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I was unaware SECT seedlings were already decided, interesting. I would think 11-7 likely gets us a 1st round bye again.
 
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volbeast33 said:
U can name 10 without even looking at rosters.....how far could u go with looking at them?
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I don't know. I could go further. I'm not going to try. Martin inherited 6 scholarship players, including some busts. He has done a fair job recruiting but nowhere near good enough to consider our talent in the top 8 of the country.

McRae and Stokes are really good. There's a drop after that. Maymon is an undersized post who couldn't jump even before his knee. Rich is a nice player but a role player, not a starter, on a team with top 8 talent. Barton couldn't earn minutes at Memphis.

Not saying this team isn't talented. Just that top 8 is crazy.
 
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Oh whats it matter....so we get a 7 seed and lose first round and here comes the 'fire ccm' tshirts again....
 
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goldvol said:
and appear to be more talented.
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I think that's your answer. We would APPEAR to be more talented, which of course doesn't mean we actually were more talented. Brad Stevens took two straight teams to the finals. Rhetorical question: Are you telling me he had top-2 talent both years?
 
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GiveHimSixGoVols said:
Than the last 2 years. If we just do as well in the SEC regular season I now think we are in without being on the bubble.

That's all we can ask of the guy IMHO
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We probably need to go at least 12-4 to get in. We cannot afford to repeat the absolutely unacceptable 2 losses to teams like GA and ALA. Then add insult to injury losing to Mercer at home in the NIT. The game tomorrow with LSU will probably set the tone for the rest of the conference schedule.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I think that's your answer. We would APPEAR to be more talented, which of course doesn't mean we actually were more talented. Brad Stevens took two straight teams to the finals. Rhetorical question: Are you telling me he had top-2 talent both years?
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That's the whole point of what I'm saying. Good coaches do more with less. CCM has a talented team, and is not overachieving. I hoped that by year three, making the tournament wouldn't even be a discussion. We should be debating about how far we would make our run. But despite having talent, Tennessee is still a mediocre, near the bubble team.
 
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goldvol said:
That's the whole point of what I'm saying. Good coaches do more with less. CCM has a talented team, and is not overachieving. I hoped that by year three, making the tournament wouldn't even be a discussion. We should be debating about how far we would make our run. But despite having talent, Tennessee is still a mediocre, near the bubble team.
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I'm sorry, but I think there is a big difference in being top-8 in talent (your words), and simply appearing more talented because of coaching. We don't have top-8 talent irrespective of who the coach is. If we make the Elite 8 this year, that still doesn't necessarily mean we have top-8 talent.

They are two different ideas that you seem destined to try and relate.
 
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volroadwarrior said:
We probably need to go at least 12-4 to get in. We cannot afford to repeat the absolutely unacceptable 2 losses to teams like GA and ALA. Then add insult to injury losing to Mercer at home in the NIT. The game tomorrow with LSU will probably set the tone for the rest of the conference schedule.
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We play 18 conference games
 
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GiveHimSixGoVols said:
Best thing Bruce did I will submit was he knew how to manipulate the RPI in our favor so no matter our record at the end of the yesr we were set to make the NCAA Tourney
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Do you mean CBP's OOC schedule resulted in the opportunity for a higher RPI? Still had to win the games to raise the RPI.
 
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walkenvol said:
Do you mean CBP's OOC schedule resulted in the opportunity for a higher RPI? Still had to win the games to raise the RPI.
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Yes. But Bruce scheduled very winnable OOC games. You have to forecast who may be good in smaller conferences, and some luck does play a part in it. But playing schools like Oakland (although BP lost one of those), C of C, Western Kentucky, Belmont, etc. One year, I swear we played almost 10 other schools that were tournament teams. If you look at the RPI, you are looking for top 150 RPI teams that you can beat, and some on neutral sites. IMO, the RPI is garbage, but it is something that they use.
 
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