If Barnes retires when ZZ is done ......

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OrangeInKy said:
You responded so you care a little. I don’t want a woman beater as my coach but you do you
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I'm not saying I want Chris Beard as a coach, but those charges were dropped. It's similar to the Flordia coach situation, if the case against someone is dropped or can't be proved I don't know what gives anyone the right to necessarily deem someone guilty.
That doesn't necessarily mean they are innocent, just that they get the benefit of the doubt because we weren't there to know the necessary truth of the matter.
 
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chuckiepoo said:
I doubt Barnes gets much say so. Consulted? Sure. Absolutely.

You implied, imho, that Barnes shouldn’t be allowed to name his replacement. A point with which I agree.

My issue was your providing examples of coaches that did name their replacements as if someone had made that suggestion. No one suggested he be allowed to name his replacement.
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I guess that's getting into the minutia. All the best.
 
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Rick Barnes is the best coach we have ever had here at Tennessee.

When he retires, it's going to be on his time and that will be a dark day.

With that said, I'd like the following:

Shaka Smart
Brad Brownell
Lamont Paris (he's done well at a bad school)
Bruce Pearl (doesn't hurt to try)
Steve Forbes
 
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Anti-shunshinepumper said:
I'm not saying I want Chris Beard as a coach, but those charges were dropped. It's similar to the Flordia coach situation, if the case against someone is dropped or can't be proved I don't know what gives anyone the right to necessarily deem someone guilty.
That doesn't necessarily mean they are innocent, just that they get the benefit of the doubt because we weren't there to know the necessary truth of the matter.
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Charges dropped doesn’t mean the person is innocent. Charges were dropped because they didn’t think they’d win a conviction. That happens. The victim also refused to cooperate and claimed she was the aggressor. The police took photos of note marks and strangulation marks. There isn’t much doubt he laid hands on her in some fashion. They didn’t file charges based solely on her account, but the evidence before them. I don’t have to give him the benefit of the doubt. It’s my opinion that I wouldn’t want him based on that, there are plenty of other fine coaches that haven’t been in that situation.
 
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vol94 said:
Who do you suggest?

I don’t have a list but it’s a good question and one that will need to be answered sooner than later.

Personally, I think White will hire a younger coach, one who may not be well known to the masses.
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cncchris33 said:
For me, if we are going to aim high, Shaka Smart seems to have figured things out at Marquette and only makes $3 million. His postseason record is concerning, but he's improved by one round each year at Marquette. He may not take the job, but Tennessee offers bigger profile, more money, bigger budget, and a chance for annual revenge against Texas. I'd make the call just to see.

From there, sure, try Beard or Byington, but more realistically...
•Grant McCasland at Texas Tech
•Ryan Odom at VCU
•Mike Morrell at UNC-Asheville
•Alan Huss at High Point
•Griff Aldrich at Longwood
•Ben McCollum at Drake
•Bucky McMillan at Samford

Those aren't sexy names and they don't have piles and piles of success, but they are what the list probably looks like after big (unlikely) names.

Kentucky having to go the Mark Pope route has tempered my expectations.
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OrangeInKy said:
You responded so you care a little. I don’t want a woman beater as my coach but you do you
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I must have missed the part where he went to trial and was convicted of that crime. I happen to believe in “innocent until proven guilty in a court of law”. I guess you don’t. What I don’t care about and what others don’t, is whether or not you attend another game or remain a fan if we hired Beard. In fact, I think we’d be better off without you!
 
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87Vol said:
I must have missed the part where he went to trial and was convicted of that crime. I happen to believe in “innocent until proven guilty in a court of law”. I guess you don’t. What I don’t care about and what others don’t, is whether or not you attend another game or remain a fan if we hired Beard. In fact, I think we’d be better off without you!
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UT isn’t going to put him in jail. But they might not want to sidle up to somebody that has that type of controversy near him.
 
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OrangeInKy said:
Charges dropped doesn’t mean the person is innocent. Charges were dropped because they didn’t think they’d win a conviction. That happens. The victim also refused to cooperate and claimed she was the aggressor. The police took photos of note marks and strangulation marks. There isn’t much doubt he laid hands on her in some fashion. They didn’t file charges based solely on her account, but the evidence before them. I don’t have to give him the benefit of the doubt. It’s my opinion that I wouldn’t want him based on that, there are plenty of other fine coaches that haven’t been in that situation.
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Charges dropped doesn’t mean guilt either. In this country, a person is presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law. I guess you don’t believe in that principle.
 
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madbamahater said:
Pearl. Everyone deserves second chances and he can win a Natty at UT.
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What evidence do we have to support that he can win a natty here? He didn’t in his six years here and hasn’t in ten years at Auburn. Hell, he has only made it out of the first weekend once at Auburn, and they’ve been very invested in basketball since his arrival.

The guy is a really good coach, but he’s show to be every bit as capable of winning a natty as our current coach. Besides, he’s not a young man anymore. He probably isn’t too far from retirement himself.
 
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OrangeInKy said:
It’s got nothing to do with basketball. All the fans who feigned righteousness indignation over Schiano should feel the same about Beard.
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Anyone who is honest with themselves knows that 70% of the people who claimed to not want Schiano because of the Penn State stuff truly didn’t want him because of his coaching acumen. Had nothing to do with what he may or may not have known about Sandusky. If he was a big time coach like a Chris Beard, there would have been exponentially less blow back when his name emerged as the guy.

All of that to say, I agree with everything you said.
 
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87Vol said:
I must have missed the part where he went to trial and was convicted of that crime. I happen to believe in “innocent until proven guilty in a court of law”. I guess you don’t. What I don’t care about and what others don’t, is whether or not you attend another game or remain a fan if we hired Beard. In fact, I think we’d be better off without you!
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you care so much.
 
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87Vol said:
We need to get a proven coach, period, and we shouldn't be too choosy about it. Beard's stuff is several years in the past. As long as nothing further happens in his private life, then we shouldn't turn our nose up at hiring him. The bottom line is that without a proven coach were headed back to Buzz, Cuonzo, Tyndale, O'Neill, Houston irrelevance.
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Tyndale?
You seem well informed. My years and years of buying season tickets helped me learn to spell coaches names correctly.You also talk about hiring a proven coach then elsewhere list Byington as one of your options. A guy with 2/3 of a season of SEC experience. You’re fun.
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
It’s the wrong timing for the retirement thread and it’s Barnes’ call when he wants to make it, not ours. I can say we better relish the time we have because many close to him feel like he won’t be here much longer. I hope they approve the additional year rule. It seems likely. I can see him staying another year with ZZ, and then cashing in his chips. I can also see him leaving after this year. I’d say it’s highly unlikely he’s here for more than another season or two at the outer limit. We absolutely will not hire Pearl or Beard, or any coach with baggage. I do not see us hiring another SEC coach, nor do we have the firepower to bring in a “proven” major coach. Sorry. DW has a great track record of finding undervalued talent. I’m sure that’ll be the road. He is close with Smart, and that’s definitely the right type of target if we want someone who has grown into a mature presence. He’s still young, and outside the Texas debacle he’s a 74% winning coach. Right now, I hope this team can itself again and pick up some more hard wins. With the right matchups, I still think we can make a run.
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Appreciate input. Reading tea leaves, the 5th year rule seems to be the make or break for Barnes with ZZ and staying. One positive with this day and age is retooling with a new coach is much waddled compared to pre-portal era.
 
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OrangeInKy said:
Charges dropped doesn’t mean the person is innocent. Charges were dropped because they didn’t think they’d win a conviction. That happens. The victim also refused to cooperate and claimed she was the aggressor. The police took photos of note marks and strangulation marks. There isn’t much doubt he laid hands on her in some fashion. They didn’t file charges based solely on her account, but the evidence before them. I don’t have to give him the benefit of the doubt. It’s my opinion that I wouldn’t want him based on that, there are plenty of other fine coaches that haven’t been in that situation.
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I'm exactly sure I just said dropped charges didn't necessarily mean he was innocent.

"Wasn't much doubt"...apparently there was enough doubt that they didn't believe they could convince a jury he was guilty.
They almost always charge someone in a domestic situation like that because of how the laws are. Many, many times they end up getting dropped.
I will say I find it hard to believe he just up and decided he was going to try and strangle his wife to death.
His story is she was the aggressor and striking him, so he tried to restrain he by her wrists and she tried kicking him in the balls.
If this is true ( and it could be, we weren't there), it could explain a lot in regards. I have personally seen women attack men and then call the police on them and say they attacked them.

If a woman is attacking me and trying to kick me in the balls, it's possible I might have to "lay a hand on her" to get her to stop.
If I had to do that it wouldn't mean I was necessarily in the wrong/an abuser.
But again, I ( we) wasn't there to know the 100% truth of the situation. I hate to think tho if his story was true and something like that happened to me, that there would be people treating me as a a convicted felon and calling me a 'woman beater". Let alone lobbying for me to not get a job.
 
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