If the SEC expands to 16 teams

#77
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VolFan4Life87 said:
You have to take your football glasses off though. As much as Kentucky blows why do you think we keep them around? Basketball
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Basketball doesn't make the kind of money that football does. Even if we were concerned with basketball though, UNC and WV would not only help there, but they upon us up to the DC market as well.
 
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dcgators said:
good in basketball, have decent football programs (like vandy and UK), and AAU membership:
Duke
UNC
UVA

both A&M and Mizzou are AAU members. west virginia is not. and neither are any of the other universities being mentioned on this thread, but GA Tech is...

Association of American Universities
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Expansion isn't about basketball or academics. It's about football, and football only. We are not adding Duke or UVA.
 
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TrueOrange said:
I'm not sure though that GTech wants to have much to do with us unless their world absolutely falls out from under them
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The SEC doens't want 2 teams in the same state. It's about expanding your brand to new viewing areas. Otherwise we would add FSU and Clemson.
 
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I'd say yeah there would be years when we didn't play Alabama.. Wouldn't be a bad thing.. We can't compete with them right now anyway...
 
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Weezer said:
Any expansion would be driven by football, not basketball. I understand basketball fans wanting to add some better teams, but football is the revenue sport for the SEC. We are first and foremost a football conference.
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Football isn't just the revenue sport in the SEC, it's the revenue sport everywhere!

In most high schools, your football program is the only one that makes a profit.

The NFL has been America's number one sport for a few decades now.
 
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UT Hill Man said:
The league might want the Virginia/DC market added for TV rights. Plus UVA would add another high academic institution (along with UNC) to the conference.

In each instance of expansion (South Carolina, Arkansas, Texas, Missouri) they have added a new, unique state. I don't see the SEC adding two teams from a single state, like a UNC/Duke combo, nor adding a team like FSU, that resides in a state with a current member.
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Couldn't we get that same market with VA TECH?

I still think there's only 4 schools we're interested in: Va Tech, Oklahoma, West Virginia, and UNC.

They are all good to great football programs. Decent enough to great in basketball. And they all add television markets.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Basketball doesn't make the kind of money that football does. Even if we were concerned with basketball though, UNC and WV would not only help there, but they upon us up to the DC market as well.
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If that were the case, they wouldn't have been left out of the SEC's expansion (or turned down, depending on your source), left out of the ACC's expansion (or turned down, depending on your source), and then only added to the Big 12 as the last team/as a stop gap (/saving throw) because they were needed a 10th team to keep their TV contract from dropping (/becoming void), rather than to increase it's value...

the idea that they have such strong ties to the DC market is a bit of an exaggeration
 
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Vol8188 said:
The SEC doens't want 2 teams in the same state. It's about expanding your brand to new viewing areas. Otherwise we would add FSU and Clemson.
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yeah...didn't I say that either later in this thread or in the other one?


that was also part of the reason, though, that I've seen GT as so unlikely...the conference already owns Atlanta
 
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TrueOrange said:
If that were the case, they wouldn't have been left out of the SEC's expansion (or turned down, depending on your source), left out of the ACC's expansion (or turned down, depending on your source), and then only added to the Big 12 as the last team/as a stop gap (/saving throw) because they were needed a 10th team to keep their TV contract from dropping (/becoming void), rather than to increase it's value...

the idea that they have such strong ties to the DC market is a bit of an exaggeration
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I agree 1000%.

WVU's pull in the DC market is exaggerated. I used to live in DC for 17 years so I know. It's like talking about USF bringing in the MIami tv market for the BigEast. Not even close...
 
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Vol8188 said:
Expansion isn't about basketball or academics. It's about football, and football only. We are not adding Duke or UVA.
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I don't see expansion about football exclusively. Football may drive it but noone is going to go into expansion without considering the effect it is going to have .
 
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It will never happen because the sec is looking for a new market to tap into and money is the name of the game, but I would love to see Clemson and fl st join. They already have in state rivalries with sc and fl so there is a tradition there already plus I think those are the closest two school to being ready to play in the sec. Va tech , duke, unc would all be bottom feeders and bring the sec down some imo. But it's all about the Benjamin's and we already have the Florida and south Carolina markets they want a state we're not in yet.
 
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TNGlen said:
VT and NCSt
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What he said. And here's why...

1. These two schools are in states not already occupied by an SEC school. A voting/veto agreement between Kentucky, Florida, South Carolina, and Georgia exists that will prevent adding any other team from those states. (So go ahead and remove Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, and Louisville from any expansion discussion)

2. These two schools add significant (and growing) media markets. This would plant an SEC flag into the heart of ACC territory and introduce the league into the #9 (Washington DC), #24 (Charlotte), #27 (Raleigh-Durham), #43 (Norfolk), #46 (Greensboro), #58 (Richmond), and #67 (Roanoke) media markets. I doubted the reach of Virginia Tech until talking with a colleague who is a VT grad, who said their reach extends across the state and is big in the DC area.

3. Adding these two schools would be a HUGE academic gain for the SEC. The research and academic credentials of both institutions is unquestionable, and most schools would jump at the chance for a connection to the Research Triangle.

4. Expansion into these areas opens the door to MANY lucrative business connections for the SEC and member schools. Aside from the political impetus of DC, league officials should be salivating over the natural resource, engineering, technology, and banking industries headquartered in this area. As with all conference expansion -- follow the cash.

...and no, I'm not Clay Travis, haha. :happy:
 
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VolInsider said:
What he said. And here's why...

1. These two schools are in states not already occupied by an SEC school. A voting/veto agreement between Kentucky, Florida, South Carolina, and Georgia exists that will prevent adding any other team from those states. (So go ahead and remove Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, and Louisville from any expansion discussion)

2. These two schools add significant (and growing) media markets. This would plant an SEC flag into the heart of ACC territory and introduce the league into the #9 (Washington DC), #24 (Charlotte), #27 (Raleigh-Durham), #43 (Norfolk), #46 (Greensboro), #58 (Richmond), and #67 (Roanoke) media markets. I doubted the reach of Virginia Tech until talking with a colleague who is a VT grad, who said their reach extends across the state and is big in the DC area.

3. Adding these two schools would be a HUGE academic gain for the SEC. The research and academic credentials of both institutions is unquestionable, and most schools would jump at the chance for a connection to the Research Triangle.

4. Expansion into these areas opens the door to MANY lucrative business connections for the SEC and member schools. Aside from the political impetus of DC, league officials should be salivating over the natural resource, engineering, technology, and banking industries headquartered in this area. As with all conference expansion -- follow the cash.

...and no, I'm not Clay Travis, haha. :happy:
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can't argue with your well-reasoned arguments... :thumbsup:
 
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Vol8188 said:
If we had a 9 game conference schedule we could have 1 permanent rival and 1 rotating. I think that's a big possibility. Although the coaches wouldn't be happy about only having 3 non-SEC games.
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Just as soon schedule NO non sec teams. I am tired of looking at the schedule, and scratching my head trying to figure out why we play irrelevant state, or whothehell tech.
 
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VolInsider said:
What he said. And here's why...

1. These two schools are in states not already occupied by an SEC school. A voting/veto agreement between Kentucky, Florida, South Carolina, and Georgia exists that will prevent adding any other team from those states. (So go ahead and remove Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, and Louisville from any expansion discussion)

2. These two schools add significant (and growing) media markets. This would plant an SEC flag into the heart of ACC territory and introduce the league into the #9 (Washington DC), #24 (Charlotte), #27 (Raleigh-Durham), #43 (Norfolk), #46 (Greensboro), #58 (Richmond), and #67 (Roanoke) media markets. I doubted the reach of Virginia Tech until talking with a colleague who is a VT grad, who said their reach extends across the state and is big in the DC area.

3. Adding these two schools would be a HUGE academic gain for the SEC. The research and academic credentials of both institutions is unquestionable, and most schools would jump at the chance for a connection to the Research Triangle.

4. Expansion into these areas opens the door to MANY lucrative business connections for the SEC and member schools. Aside from the political impetus of DC, league officials should be salivating over the natural resource, engineering, technology, and banking industries headquartered in this area. As with all conference expansion -- follow the cash.

...and no, I'm not Clay Travis, haha. :happy:
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(The joke's though comes from that this thought process regarding these two first came about as a proposal/suggestion by Clay Travis and - since people were starved for more and more on expansion at the time - it spread like wildfire...with him pushing it more and more when he got the chances...he wrote an article or two after (before the FSU/Clemson news popped up last summer) saying he was starting to see "significant" amounts of the same kinds of email he saw from A&M popping up from VT & NCST fans...you know, the whole pushing the story, trying to make the tail wag the dog kind of journalism)
 
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VolInsider said:
What he said. And here's why...

1. These two schools are in states not already occupied by an SEC school. A voting/veto agreement between Kentucky, Florida, South Carolina, and Georgia exists that will prevent adding any other team from those states. (So go ahead and remove Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, and Louisville from any expansion discussion)

2. These two schools add significant (and growing) media markets. This would plant an SEC flag into the heart of ACC territory and introduce the league into the #9 (Washington DC), #24 (Charlotte), #27 (Raleigh-Durham), #43 (Norfolk), #46 (Greensboro), #58 (Richmond), and #67 (Roanoke) media markets. I doubted the reach of Virginia Tech until talking with a colleague who is a VT grad, who said their reach extends across the state and is big in the DC area.

3. Adding these two schools would be a HUGE academic gain for the SEC. The research and academic credentials of both institutions is unquestionable, and most schools would jump at the chance for a connection to the Research Triangle.

4. Expansion into these areas opens the door to MANY lucrative business connections for the SEC and member schools. Aside from the political impetus of DC, league officials should be salivating over the natural resource, engineering, technology, and banking industries headquartered in this area. As with all conference expansion -- follow the cash.

...and no, I'm not Clay Travis, haha. :happy:
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dcgators said:
can't argue with your well-reasoned arguments... :thumbsup:
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There's one, possibly significant, problem though when it comes to NCST:

As for NC State — a school oft-mentioned because no one believes North Carolina and/or Duke would move to the SEC — there would be some serious political issues to work out as well. NCSU is a “constituent institution” of the University of North Carolina system. In other words, the schools have a connection. We’re not talking Texas and Texas A&M, here.

State has a 13-person board of trustees. One member is the president of the student government. Four trustees are appointed by the governor. The remaining eight NCSU trustees are elected by the UNC board of governors.

If State’s administration decided that their school would be better off in the SEC, it appears from afar that at least two of the eight trustees put in place by UNC’s board would have to okay the move. And that’s if all the other non-UNC-elected trustees favored the move. And that’s if a vote to switch conferences only requires a 7-6 majority.
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the NCState situation is strange. didn't know that about them.

seems unlikely that the UNC-nominated trustees would allow State to jump ship on the ACC, unless UNC goes as well. so that scenario is only viable if the ACC was to fold, which is not going to happen... so this really means State is out since UNC is probably out as well...

back to the drawing board...

so i say VaTech because their fans are rabid... chip on their shoulders from the elitist UVa always looking down on them. and we get DC/VA/MD market...

but who would the 16th member be? i really think OU makes the most sense, even if i don't think they would do it.

i still like UNC and VaTech though... :)
 
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