If the SEC expands to 16 teams

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dcgators said:
the NCState situation is strange. didn't know that about them.

seems unlikely that the UNC-nominated trustees would allow State to jump ship on the ACC, unless UNC goes as well. so that scenario is only viable if the ACC was to fold, which is not going to happen... so this really means State is out since UNC is probably out as well...

back to the drawing board...

so i say VaTech because their fans are rabid... chip on their shoulders from the elitist UVa always looking down on them. and we get DC/VA/MD market...

but who would the 16th member be? i really think OU makes the most sense, even if i don't think they would do it.

i still like UNC and VaTech though... :)
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I don't think OU would make the jump either and I'm not sure that the SEC really needs to extend any further west. Kansas and K St add nothing to football or tv markets and Nebraska is probably a better fit in the B1G than the SEC.

IMO that leaves VT and Cincinnati. UK probably wouldn't be happy with adding Cincy, but really, who cares what UK thinks when it comes to football? Cincinnati is the number 34 market and it might allow some small inroads into Indianapolis (25) and to a very small extent Columbus.

It also allows the SEC to encroach into the B1G's territory a little bit and you know that OSU wouldn't be happy with having an SEC team that close as it would cut into their recruiting grounds a little.
 
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Cincinnati? Ugh... I just barfed a little... But I get your reasoning.

If North Carolina or Oklahoma are not in play, there isn't much left on the board that isn't already represented as a state in the SEC.

Still OU borders Texas, Arkansas and Missouri so they would make a perfect addition to our western division. And we need to move Mizzou to the west as well somehow...

i guess we could trade them for LSU... Or even better, Miss State...

No wait, Auburn... They are closer to the east anyway... :)
 
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dcgators said:
Cincinnati? Ugh... I just barfed a little... But I get your reasoning.

If North Carolina or Oklahoma are not in play, there isn't much left on the board that isn't already represented as a state in the SEC.

Still OU borders Texas, Arkansas and Missouri so they would make a perfect addition to our western division.
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then you would have to add OK st with them as your 16th and keep Mizz in the east
 
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dcgators said:
the NCState situation is strange. didn't know that about them.

seems unlikely that the UNC-nominated trustees would allow State to jump ship on the ACC, unless UNC goes as well. so that scenario is only viable if the ACC was to fold, which is not going to happen... so this really means State is out since UNC is probably out as well...

back to the drawing board...

so i say VaTech because their fans are rabid... chip on their shoulders from the elitist UVa always looking down on them. and we get DC/VA/MD market...

but who would the 16th member be? i really think OU makes the most sense, even if i don't think they would do it.

i still like UNC and VaTech though... :)
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Is that really the case with them though? I know there's the on the field rivalry, but I'm not certain whether or not that's how they see each other...especially since UVA were the ones who went out of their way to get Va Tech into that conference


Though I don't deny that Va Tech would certainly be a good fit, it's just that it's also somewhat in debate about...how to word it...the feelings towards us (or / if there's anything really driving them to leave prior to massive instabilities occurring first)
 
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VaTech fans HATE UVa... And UVa folks look at Hokies as just another bunch of rednecks from the Appalachian Trail, which to be fair, is where they are located...

Thomas Jefferson personally founded UVA and designed its beautiful campus... VaTech is where the UVA rejects go to school, according to the Cavs.

IMO, it was more of a politically motivated sponsorship. They had no choice but extend a magnanimous hand to their poor little sister VaTech, unless they wanted hell from the folks in Richmond...
 
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utkell65 said:
I don't think OU would make the jump either and I'm not sure that the SEC really needs to extend any further west. Kansas and K St add nothing to football or tv markets and Nebraska is probably a better fit in the B1G than the SEC.

IMO that leaves VT and Cincinnati. UK probably wouldn't be happy with adding Cincy, but really, who cares what UK thinks when it comes to football? Cincinnati is the number 34 market and it might allow some small inroads into Indianapolis (25) and to a very small extent Columbus.

It also allows the SEC to encroach into the B1G's territory a little bit and you know that OSU wouldn't be happy with having an SEC team that close as it would cut into their recruiting grounds a little.
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I'm not sure Cincy really makes the pie larger rather than just divides the same pie into smaller sections. While that's a sizable market, that whole state is pretty much owned by Ohio State...Cincy's almost seemingly like a Vandy or a Memphis is in this state, by comparison

(and I'm not sure that would get any conference that had them anywhere near Indianapolis anyways unless Cincy started to play games there....it also wouldn't give you any part of columbus)
 
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dcgators said:
And UVa folks look at Hokies as just another bunch of rednecks from the Appalachian Trail, which to be fair, is where they are located...
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Oops. Just remembered where I was posting... :p

guilty as charged but not really intentional...
 
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dcgators said:
VaTech fans HATE UVa... And UVa folks look at Hokies as just another bunch of rednecks from the Appalachian Trail, which to be fair, is where they are located...

Jefferson personally founded UVA... VaTech is where the UVA rejects go to school, according to the Cavs.

IMO, it was more of a politically motivated sponsorship. They had no choice but extend a magnanimous hand to their poor little sister VaTech, unless they wanted hell from the folks in Richmond...
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well then couldn't that mean state politics could feasibly be an issue in getting one or the other to join, especially if conference instability is expected to be the main reason?...if they're even interested based on last round of expansion

Virginia Tech does make a great deal of sense for the SEC. But the Hokies used up a lot of political capital to gain an invite into the ACC. ItÂ’s hard to imagine them having the clout or the intestinal fortitude to jump leagues again anytime soon. Especially after Tech officials made it very clear this summer that their school is better off in the ACC from a travel perspective and an academic perspective.
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comparatively though, it seems much less a roadblock than NC State's issue though
 
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dcgators said:
NOOOOOO !!! We only want OU cuz I am REALLY starting to warm up to VT... :)
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lol

Have to take OU with Ok St. If those last 2 rounds of expansion were of any indication, OU clearly wants to take the Cowboys with them into whatever conference they choose join (which apparently, if they have their way, would seem to be the Pac)
 
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i think VaTech could make a case that it would be BETTER for them to leave for the SEC (less state support because their athletic department would have a larger windfall in the SEC). and UVA would also be better off as their clout in the state (and in the ACC) would be returned to its natural order.

might be wishful thinking... but really UVa is more of a northern VA wine and cheese crowd while VT is more blue collar so there are different constituencies... i think VT alumni would be able to sell it to Richmond if they really wanted to...
 
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TrueOrange said:
lol

Have to take OU with Ok St. If those last 2 rounds of expansion were of any indication, OU clearly wants to take the Cowboys with them into whatever conference they choose join (which apparently, if they have their way, would seem to be the Pac)
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i knew that would be the answer... but no other conference will admit them as a package deal as we speak... certainly, the PAC12 made that clear the last time because they insisted on also getting UT if OSU came along for the ride...
 
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Vol8188 said:
Lol UVA? Who would want UVA?
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The big wigs in the SEC. People fail to realize that conference expansion is for TV money and not for conference competitiveness.

Why do you think we added a previously 6-6 Texas A&M and a dreadfully horrible Mizzou?
 
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With that said, I've always assumed if we expanded again it would be UVA and NCST.

That way we would be expanding TV markets, the SEC locality footprint and adding two exceptional academic schools.
 
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I hope they do......and put Mizoo into the SEC West, its laughable that they are in the SEC east but they are the farthest west of any of the SEC states.

So they would put Mizoo in the West and add 2 more teams to the east.I Vote for any of these 3 UVA,North Carolina, Georgia Tech. I doubt North Carolina will leave the ACC(Basketball Conf.) For the SEC(Football Conf.) and I would like to have Georgia Tech. back in the SEC.
 
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TrueOrange said:
If that were the case, they wouldn't have been left out of the SEC's expansion (or turned down, depending on your source), left out of the ACC's expansion (or turned down, depending on your source), and then only added to the Big 12 as the last team/as a stop gap (/saving throw) because they were needed a 10th team to keep their TV contract from dropping (/becoming void), rather than to increase it's value...

the idea that they have such strong ties to the DC market is a bit of an exaggeration
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We have to get to 16 eventually, and WV makes more sense than almost any other team out there. With the only exception being UNC or VA Tech.
 
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tshadow said:
I don't see expansion about football exclusively. Football may drive it but noone is going to go into expansion without considering the effect it is going to have .
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Then why not take WV and UNC instead of Duke? Both field very good basketball teams.

There's no way we take any school that would water down our football brand like Duke would.
 
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VolInsider said:
What he said. And here's why...

1. These two schools are in states not already occupied by an SEC school. A voting/veto agreement between Kentucky, Florida, South Carolina, and Georgia exists that will prevent adding any other team from those states. (So go ahead and remove Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, and Louisville from any expansion discussion)

2. These two schools add significant (and growing) media markets. This would plant an SEC flag into the heart of ACC territory and introduce the league into the #9 (Washington DC), #24 (Charlotte), #27 (Raleigh-Durham), #43 (Norfolk), #46 (Greensboro), #58 (Richmond), and #67 (Roanoke) media markets. I doubted the reach of Virginia Tech until talking with a colleague who is a VT grad, who said their reach extends across the state and is big in the DC area.

3. Adding these two schools would be a HUGE academic gain for the SEC. The research and academic credentials of both institutions is unquestionable, and most schools would jump at the chance for a connection to the Research Triangle.

4. Expansion into these areas opens the door to MANY lucrative business connections for the SEC and member schools. Aside from the political impetus of DC, league officials should be salivating over the natural resource, engineering, technology, and banking industries headquartered in this area. As with all conference expansion -- follow the cash.

...and no, I'm not Clay Travis, haha. :happy:
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Here's my problem with that. Everything you just said holds true not only for NC ST, but for UNC as well.

So why would we not take UNC instead? Better academics. Better basketball. Better football. Better all around.
 
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TNnative said:
Just as soon schedule NO non sec teams. I am tired of looking at the schedule, and scratching my head trying to figure out why we play irrelevant state, or whothehell tech.
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Because after 8 SEC games, you need a week or two off each year.
 
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zach0105 said:
The big wigs in the SEC. People fail to realize that conference expansion is for TV money and not for conference competitiveness.

Why do you think we added a previously 6-6 Texas A&M and a dreadfully horrible Mizzou?
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Mizzou isn't dreadfully horrible at all. They are ranked about every other year. Both are far better than UVA.

Plus why add UVA when you can get the same things from VA Tech?
 
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