If There Is Indeed Mutual Interest Between Frank and UT...

#76
#76
g8terh8ter_eric said:
I'm not saying that Frank did terrible at NJ, given what he had, but it's not like he set the world on fire. His best season they won 49 games and lost in the second round. All I'm trying to get across, is I don't think that Frank is our best option. He hasn't recruited in years, and we need someone who has been involved in the college game, or at least recently.
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That's right. Rick Byrd is the man. It's obvious that his resume just dwarfs Frank's. Some of you people are truly amazing.
 
#78
#78
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Yet, there are plenty career asssistant coaches who are well respected and are great coaches, who never coach as a HC, in either college or the NBA. I don't think that Frank would leave the NBA anyways, but with Doc about to leave the Celtics, I'm sure that we will see if he's that great of a coach. Mainly because if he is, then I'm sure that Frank will just slide right in to the HC job. What if he doesn't though??
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I'm not so sure. I don't think we would be hearing as much about Frank's interest if Rivers was leaving at the end of the season. Also on that note, I think Frank would have immediately shot down the reports if Rivers was leaving at season's end and Frank was poised to succeed him.

Just my two cents.
 
#79
#79
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Mainly because if he is, then I'm sure that Frank will just slide right in to the HC job. What if he doesn't though??
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Oh, I see. So, unless Frank is capable of getting the Boston Celtics, possibly the most prestigious job in the NBA, then he's not fit to be at Tennessee. I'm sure Ainge will contact Rick Byrd first.
 
#80
#80
Come on LV, I'm just arguing the other side, if you disagree fine, but don't be a freakin' prick about it. It's just a message board.
 
#81
#81
If Lawrence is the man chosen, I just hope that his time in the NBA taught him something that KO could never could teach him-how to play offense. The only concern about Frank to me is how much of his coaching may be like KO's.
 
#82
#82
LawVol13 said:
That's right. Rick Byrd is the man. It's obvious that his resume just dwarfs Frank's. Some of you people are truly amazing.
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I mention Rick Byrd in a positive light, and somehow I'm pandering he get the job?? I never stated that one time in anything I said, yet your making it the gospel. All I said, was I don't think it would be a bad idea at this point. At least we know we are getting someone clean, someone who has won, and someone who can coach and get the most out of his players.
 
#83
#83
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Come on LV, I'm just arguing the other side, if you disagree fine, but don't be a freakin' prick about it. It's just a message board.
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What I'm saying is that's absurd, Eric. I just hope you don't honestly think that Rick Byrd is a more viable candidate than Lawrence Frank. If you're just playing devil's advocate, then so be it. But, it's not really even a debate.
 
#84
#84
LawVol13 said:
What I'm saying is that's absurd, Eric. I just hope you don't honestly think that Rick Byrd is a more viable candidate than Lawrence Frank. If you're just playing devil's advocate, then so be it. But, it's not really even a debate.
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So, tell me who Frank ever recruited in college, because the man hasn't recruited or dealt with the kids in college in over 10 years. All I'm trying to get across is, Frank did good with the players he had until around 08-09 in NJ, but he's proven nothing at the collegiate level, like most of the other candidate for the job have at this point. So, what makes him so much more of a viable option, versus say a Gregg Marshall??
 
#85
#85
g8terh8ter_eric said:
I mention Rick Byrd in a positive light, and somehow I'm pandering he get the job?? I never stated that one time in anything I said, yet your making it the gospel. All I said, was I don't think it would be a bad idea at this point. At least we know we are getting someone clean, someone who has won, and someone who can coach and get the most out of his players.
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Do you think Rick Byrd is a better idea than apparent Euroleague reject Lawrence Frank?
 
#86
#86
g8terh8ter_eric said:
So, tell me who Frank ever recruited in college, because the man hasn't recruited or dealt with the kids in college in over 10 years. All I'm trying to get across is, Frank did good with the players he had until around 08-09 in NJ, but he's proven nothing at the collegiate level, like most of the other candidate for the job have at this point. So, what makes him so much more of a viable option, versus say a Gregg Marshall??
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Derek Dooley is a much better coach than Lovie Smith too. Gotta prove it at the lower level before you get respect.
 
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#87
g8terh8ter_eric said:
So, tell me who Frank ever recruited in college, because the man hasn't recruited or dealt with the kids in college in over 10 years. All I'm trying to get across is, Frank did good with the players he had until around 08-09 in NJ, but he's proven nothing at the collegiate level, like most of the other candidate for the job have at this point. So, what make him so much more of a viable option, versus say a Gregg Marshall??
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Frank is an elite tactician. Apparently, he was a relentless recruiter, which is probably why O'Neill had him on the staff because O'Neill is too. I'm fairly sure he was one of Tony Harris' primary recruiters (Hat can probably confirm of refute that), which was a huge coup pulling him from Memphis. And, he held a head job in the NBA for 6 and a half seasons. Byrd, on the other hand, has coached at Belmont for a thousand years, has never and will never make it out of the first round of the tourney, and would be completely lost in the recruiting environment of a BCS league.
 
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VKAman said:
Do you think Rick Byrd is a better idea than apparent Euroleague reject Lawrence Frank?
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For where we are as a program right now, yes. Frank would demand too much money, and the risk/reward from him really doesn't have a gray area. He has a possible high ceiling, but the fact he hasn't been in the college game for over ten years, doesn't exactly scream that he can recruit and deal with kids, like the one's we have on our roster right now. If he's hired, I'm fine with it, but I also understand that we are asking someone to do something they haven't done in a long time as well.
 
#89
#89
Some people are seriously misinformed.
Even if Doc retired after this season, it's still not a given that Frank would be the coach. Trust in knowing that Boston would look for someone more qualified and experienced. I could see an NBA job opening up for him after this season but the salary would be very similiar to what he'd make at the college level.
Why do we need Frank, he wouldn't fit it? I can't believe people are still asking or saying this. Do research. The guy is a pretty decent X's and O's guy, can run a variety of offenses, could recruit top ranked kids, blah blah and blah
 
#90
#90
g8terh8ter_eric said:
For where we are as a program right now, yes. Frank would demand too much money, and the risk/reward from him really doesn't have a gray area. He has a possible high ceiling, but the fact he hasn't been in the college game for over ten years, doesn't exactly scream that he can recruit and deal with kids, like the one's we have on our roster right now. If he's hired, I'm fine with it, but I also understand that we are asking someone to do something they haven't done in a long time as well.
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So, you honestly think that Rick Byrd could recruit better than Lawrence Frank? I mean, how in the world do you arrive at that conclusion?
 
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VKAman said:
Derek Dooley is a much better coach than Lovie Smith too. Gotta prove it at the lower level before you get respect.
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It's just as easy to fail going from pros to college, as it is from college to pros. That's why you don't see one or the other really making the jump very often. Some coaches do, but very few of them rarely have relevant success. It's also easier to go from one or the other as an assistant and figure things out over time as well.
 
#92
#92
g8terh8ter_eric said:
It's just as easy to fail going from pros to college, as it is from college to pros. That's why you don't see one or the other really making the jump very often. Some coaches do, but very few of them rarely have relevant success. It's also easier to go from one or the other as an assistant and figure things out over time as well.
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The highest-paid college coaches in both football and basketball disagree.
 
#93
#93
LawVol13 said:
So, you honestly think that Rick Byrd could recruit better than Lawrence Frank? I mean, how in the world do you arrive at that conclusion?
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Sure, it's possible. Byrd has been in the college ranks for years, and has a ton more contacts than Frank does at this point on the college level.
 
#94
#94
g8terh8ter_eric said:
For where we are as a program right now, yes. Frank would demand too much money, and the risk/reward from him really doesn't have a gray area. He has a possible high ceiling, but the fact he hasn't been in the college game for over ten years, doesn't exactly scream that he can recruit and deal with kids, like the one's we have on our roster right now. If he's hired, I'm fine with it, but I also understand that we are asking someone to do something they haven't done in a long time as well.
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True but its all about who he puts around him. If he gets a decent and educated staff than they can help him with the game. I don't see Frank demanding too much money. Did you see what he made as coach of NJ? Not to mention, he doesn't make a ton right now either. I could see 2.5 to 3 in getting Frank. And as for recruiting, knowing that he's been in the NBA is appealing enough. I think he'd run a fun offense that kids want to play in too.
 
#95
#95
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Sure, it's possible. Byrd has been in the college ranks for years, and has a ton more contacts than Frank does at this point on the college level.
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Eric, come on, man. I know you know better than this. I'm not saying Rick Byrd sucks or anything, but he's a career mid-major guy and a good one. With that said, there isn't a chance in Hell he's going to outrecruit a guy that can legitimately sell the NBA to prospective recruits.
 
#96
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VKAman said:
The highest-paid college coaches in both football and basketball disagree.
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Yet, Nick Saban went from college to pros, and back to college. He also won a NC at LSU, and knew how to recruit, before he ever went to the NFL for 3 years. Cal also knew what he was doing before he left and came back. Frank has never been a HC at the college level, so your comparisons are terrible.
 
#97
#97
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Yet, Nick Saban went from college to pros, and back to college. He also won a NC at LSU, and knew how to recruit, before he ever went to the NFL for 3 years. Cal also knew what he was doing before he left and came back. Frank has never been a HC at the college level, so your comparisons are terrible.
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Why did both guys come back to college if the difficulty level was the same?
 
#98
#98
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Yet, Nick Saban went from college to pros, and back to college. He also won a NC at LSU, and knew how to recruit, before he ever went to the NFL for 3 years. Cal also knew what he was doing before he left and came back. Frank has never been a HC at the college level, so your comparisons are terrible.
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So, the fact that he recruited relentlessly as an assistant is evidence he has no idea how to recruit? You're really reaching now.
 
#99
#99
LawVol13 said:
Eric, come on, man. I know you know better than this. I'm not saying Rick Byrd sucks or anything, but he's a career mid-major guy and a good one. With that said, there isn't a chance in Hell he's going to outrecruit a guy that can legitimately sell the NBA to prospective recruits.
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And, by our recent history, how can we even sell the NBA to recruits right now?? We have had 2 draft picks, in what 10 years?? Frank also hasn't ever tried to develop a player at the collegiate level, as a HC. It's high risk, high reward with Frank, and there's nothing anyone can do to change that with him. He's a career NBA guy, whether it be as a possible HC or an assistant, unless he just want the control of a college program.
 
#100
#100
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Sure, it's possible. Byrd has been in the college ranks for years, and has a ton more contacts than Frank does at this point on the college level.
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No sir. No possible way this stands true. Frank could be in an elite recruiting class with guys like Calipari if he came back to college. We could see a lot of one and done type players (not saying that's always the best way but a couple doesn't hurt).
 
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