If There Is Indeed Mutual Interest Between Frank and UT...

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#101
g8terh8ter_eric said:
And, by our recent history, how can we even sell the NBA to recruits right now?? We have had 2 draft picks, in what 10 years?? Frank also hasn't ever tried to develop a player at the collegiate level, as a HC. It's high risk, high reward with Frank, and there's nothing anyone can do to change that with him. He's a career NBA guy, whether it be as a possible HC or an assistant, unless he just want the control of a college program.
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My gosh, so you're saying if you can develop NBA players, you can't develop college players? And you're saying that a guy with tons of NBA coaching experience couldn't sell the NBA recruits to Tennessee because Pearl couldn't get them in the pros? That makes absolutely no sense.
 
#102
#102
g8terh8ter_eric said:
And, by our recent history, how can we even sell the NBA to recruits right now?? We have had 2 draft picks, in what 10 years?? Frank also hasn't ever tried to develop a player at the collegiate level, as a HC. It's high risk, high reward with Frank, and there's nothing anyone can do to change that with him. He's a career NBA guy, whether it be as a possible HC or an assistant, unless he just want the control of a college program.
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How many draft picks or high-caliber players has Rick Byrd ever recruited?
 
#103
#103
VKAman said:
Why did both guys come back to college if the difficulty level was the same?
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Your trying to equate Nick Saban and Cal in this conversation, yet are negating the fact that Frank was never a HC in college for any length of time before he left the college ranks as an assistant for the NBA. Frank has NEVER built anything from the ground up in college. So, the comparisons again aren't even close to the same stratosphere.
 
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#104
LawVol13 said:
My gosh, so you're saying if you can develop NBA players, you can't develop college players? And you're saying that a guy with tons of NBA coaching experience couldn't sell the NBA recruits to Tennessee because Pearl couldn't get them in the pros? That makes absolutely no sense.
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Who does he get credit with developing in the NBA?? Just wondering??
 
#105
#105
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Your trying to equate Nick Saban and Cal in this conversation, yet are negating the fact that Frank was never a HC in college for any length of time before he left the college ranks as an assistant for the NBA. Frank has NEVER built anything from the ground up in college. So, the comparisons again aren't even close to the same stratosphere.
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I'm not trying to equate anything. You said, "It's just as easy to fail going from pros to college, as it is from college to pros." Looking at the guys who have coached on both levels, I think you said that before you thought about it.
 
#106
#106
g8terh8ter_eric said:
And, by our recent history, how can we even sell the NBA to recruits right now?? We have had 2 draft picks, in what 10 years?? Frank also hasn't ever tried to develop a player at the collegiate level, as a HC. It's high risk, high reward with Frank, and there's nothing anyone can do to change that with him. He's a career NBA guy, whether it be as a possible HC or an assistant, unless he just want the control of a college program.
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And right now, Tennessee has two potential first rounders on it this year depending on how the chips fall and if they leave. Kinda negates your 2 draft picks in 10 years balogna.
 
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#107
VKAman said:
How many draft picks or high-caliber players has Rick Byrd ever recruited?
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I didn't say that, it was directed at the fact that Frank has ZERO NBA draft picks on his resume as a college coach. You have to develop someone, AND send them to the league, before you can claim that you can develop NBA talent at the collegiate level.
 
#109
#109
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Who does he get credit with developing in the NBA?? Just wondering??
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This isn't even a conversation worth having, Eric. Frank is lightyears ahead of Rick Byrd in player development, would be in recruiting as well, and is a better tactician. It's not even debatable.
 
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#110
VKAman said:
I'm not trying to equate anything. You said, "It's just as easy to fail going from pros to college, as it is from college to pros." Looking at the guys who have coached on both levels, I think you said that before you thought about it.
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Your also trying to use the exception as the rule here. Can you give me any examples, other than the two you mentioned who already had built things in college, that came DIRECTLY from the pros that did well as a HC in college??
 
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#113
LawVol13 said:
This isn't even a conversation worth having, Eric. Frank is lightyears ahead of Rick Byrd in player development, would be in recruiting as well, and is a better tactician. It's not even debatable.
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Why isn't it worth having?? He couldn't even get the most our of some of his players in New Jersey, towards the end of his tenure there. So, what makes me think he can get the most out of some snot nosed kid from the inner-city?? This is all conversations going on behind closed doors, and why the interviewing process is so important to this hire.
 
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#116
g8terh8ter_eric said:
I didn't say that, it was directed at the fact that Frank has ZERO NBA draft picks on his resume as a college coach. You have to develop someone, AND send them to the league, before you can claim that you can develop NBA talent at the collegiate level.
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Not really. Players learn about a million times more at the NBA level than they do in college.
 
#117
#117
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Why isn't it worth having?? He couldn't even get the most our of some of his players in New Jersey, towards the end of his tenure there. So, what makes me think he can get the most out of some snot nosed kid from the inner-city?? This is all conversations going on behind closed doors, and why the interviewing process is so important to this hire.
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You're just showing that you have absolutely no clue about the roster. Phil Jackson couldn't have won with that roster.
 
#118
#118
g8terh8ter_eric said:
I didn't say that, it was directed at the fact that Frank has ZERO NBA draft picks on his resume as a college coach. You have to develop someone, AND send them to the league, before you can claim that you can develop NBA talent at the collegiate level.
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If you've coached in the NBA, you can sell the NBA. You don't have to have coached NBA players in college. And you certainly don't need your predecessor to have coached NBA players in college.
 
#119
#119
tvolsfan said:
That's ridiculous.
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Give me some examples then or coaches who had NO previous HC experience in the college ranks, who have went from the NBA ranks directly to college. This is all a discussion for me. I'm just trying to see where everyone is on all this. Hopefully no one takes it personally.
 
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#120
Incipient said:
If you've coached in the NBA, you can sell the NBA. You don't have to have coached NBA players in college. And you certainly don't need your predecessor to have coached NBA players in college.
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Exactly right. How that's even debatable, I haven't figured out yet.
 
#121
#121
Rick Byrd has developed players to play in the ASun with a prayer of playing in Europe afterwards. Lawrence Frank spent time in the college ranks and now develops NBA players to reach their full potential. How are you missing this?
 
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#122
I don't understand this argument. With all the one and done players, Frank wouldn't even have to develop them a lot. Him saying he could get them there would be good enough, because it's true.
 
#123
#123
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Give me some examples then or coaches who had NO previous HC experience in the college ranks, who have went from the NBA ranks directly to college. This is all a discussion for me. I'm just trying to see where everyone is on all this. Hopefully no one takes it personally.
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You don't see it because if you're good enough to win at the higher level, you generally don't drop down to the lower level.
 
#125
#125
volfanbill said:
Rick Byrd has developed players to play in the ASun with a prayer of playing in Europe afterwards. Lawrence Frank spent time in the college ranks and now develops NBA players to reach their full potential. How are you missing this?
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Again, who has Frank developed in the NBA?? Give me some names, not just who he has worked with. This is becoming like the Chuck Smith argument, that I was on the wrong side of before. Chuck has worked with and helped develop many professional NFL DL, yet couldn't do it on the collegiate level. It's just an example.
 
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