If There Is Indeed Mutual Interest Between Frank and UT...

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Kingston Vol said:
I don't understand this argument. With all the one and done players, Frank wouldn't even have to develop them a lot. Him saying he could get them there would be good enough, because it's true.
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Who has been one and done that Frank has developed in college?? You are putting the food on the table, before it's even cooked. There's just no way to 100% know that he can do it on this level, because it's night and day between college and pros.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Again, who has Frank developed in the NBA?? Give me some names, not just who he has worked with. This is becoming like the Chuck Smith argument, that I was on the wrong side of before. Chuck has worked with and helped develop many professional NFL DL, yet couldn't do it on the collegiate level. It's just an example.
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Chuck's problem was that he never coached an entire unit before. Plus it's an insult to frank to even compare the two.
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Here's some NBA guys' take on Lawrence Frank.

As @AlexKennedyNBA reports, Lawrence Frank candidate for Tennessee. He’s turned back Big East overtures in past year, but UT’s different.

Frank has history in Knoxville as an assistant, and league sources say it’s perhaps only college job that would intrigue him to leave NBA.

With NCAA sanctions likely, UT would likely have to offer long contract and allow Frank to finish Celtics season. No way he bails on Boston.

LFrank would be an interesting hire for UT. Excellent tactician/player development, recruiting history/relationships in state’s hotbeds.

As for coach-in-waiting with Celtics should Doc leave, no one knows what Danny Ainge will do. Frank would be a candidate, but no assurances.
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Who has been one and done that Frank has developed in college?? You are putting the food on the table, before it's even cooked. There's just no way to 100% know that he can do it on this level, because it's night and day between college and pros.
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That's true. NBA coaches are the best in the world at developing players. College coaches aren't. I would think that's a positive.
 
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volfanbill said:
so what you're saying is you didn't start watching UT basketball until 3 years ago huh?
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No, I started watching UT basketball around '95, when O'Neill was our coach. Remind me again, who did Frank work under here at UT, that never made the tournament?? That was his last college experience as well.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Who has been one and done that Frank has developed in college?? You are putting the food on the table, before it's even cooked. There's just no way to 100% know that he can do it on this level, because it's night and day between college and pros.
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You're right, there are no guarantees. But I would bet 10/10 every AD in America would pick Frank over Byrd if it was plausible.
 
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LawVol13 said:
That's true. NBA coaches are the best in the world at developing players. College coaches aren't. I would think that's a positive.
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No it's not, because it's a different environment and a different sport at this level. It's why Rick Byrd almost beat Pearl twice this year.
 
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VOLNBAMA said:
Chuck's problem was that he never coached an entire unit before. Plus it's an insult to frank to even compare the two.
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I know that it was a stretch to use it as a comparison, but my point was to use it to reflect that working with pros, is completely different than working with kids in college.
 
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LawVol13 said:
This isn't even a conversation worth having, Eric. Frank is lightyears ahead of Rick Byrd in player development, would be in recruiting as well, and is a better tactician. It's not even debatable.
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I don't want Byrd for the job either but your post shows a lack of actual basketball game knowledge. If the powers that be thought it wasn't "debatable" and Frank was "lightyears" ahead of Byrd why interview Byrd? Who has Frank specifically recruited at the collegiate level or even been credited with "developing" at the pro level? Byrd has a terrific bball IQ and x & o's with the best of them especially given the limited talent he has.
 
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Would be an awesome hire. BUT, I would bet he would want an NBA clause in his contract. So it would really be like a high risk/high reward thing
 
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Orange Bison said:
I don't want Byrd for the job either but your post shows a lack of actual basketball game knowledge. If the powers that be thought it wasn't "debatable" and Frank was "lightyears" ahead of Byrd why interview Byrd? Who has Frank specifically recruited at the collegiate level or even been credited with "developing" at the pro level? Byrd has a terrific bball IQ and x & o's with the best of them especially given the limited talent he has.
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As a courtesy to him for being a Tennessee alum. And, I'm not saying Byrd can't coach. I think he's solid. But, he's no where near the level of tactician that Lawrence Frank is.
 
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LawVol13 said:
As a courtesy to him for being a Tennessee alum. And, I'm not saying Byrd can't coach. I think he's solid. But, he's no where near the level of tactician that Lawrence Frank is.
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If that's the case, they should interview every other UT grad as well for the job. Just sayin'. :)
 
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Orange Bison said:
I don't want Byrd for the job either but your post shows a lack of actual basketball game knowledge. If the powers that be thought it wasn't "debatable" and Frank was "lightyears" ahead of Byrd why interview Byrd? Who has Frank specifically recruited at the collegiate level or even been credited with "developing" at the pro level? Byrd has a terrific bball IQ and x & o's with the best of them especially given the limited talent he has.
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Nobodies saying he isn't a good X & o guy but he would not bring better players to Knoxville than Frank.
 
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LawVol13 said:
Here's some NBA guys' take on Lawrence Frank.
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Keep dreaming....Lawrence Frank isnt coming to UT. He is only using us to leverage the Celtics for the future. He would be a horrible fit culturally anyway. Hamilton isnt taking any culture chances with coaches after Kiffin. Unfortunately, it looks as though its down to Byrd and Marshall...either way basketball heads back to the pre-Pearl era. What is really ironic about all of this is you (for at least the past two years) have stated on numerous posts (not in so many words) that Tennessee's success/tradition in basketball wasnt directly tied to Pearl as head coach and that UT needed to hire someone to take them to the next level. So...let me ask you...how is that working out for you?
 
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Larry Brown had never been a collegiate head coach when he left the pros for UCLA. He seemed todo alright.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
And, where are these hotbeds he recruited almost 13 years ago and longer??
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Eric, he's got connections and he would recruit at a vastly higher level than Byrd. I think Byrd's a good man and a good coach. I just don't see him making it here. You're entitled to your opinion, but I just don't think the choice is even debatable between Frank and Byrd.
 
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LOL!!! Frank is using UT for the Boston job? I'm pretty sure Ainge, Doc or anyone else could care less what a college team does. You just don't get a bigger stage than the NBA.
 
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