I'm tellin ya

[Wylo]

Good to know we have supporters that will jump back on the bandwagon when/if cbj starts winning, and not support him until then. I guess that is now called blind following, by some on here. Don't support your child crawling before he walks either. Be there after its all happened. That's the way to go.
It's bandwagon, and you can go hang with the 1000's of bama bandwagon fans rolling around. You are no different.

Using your awesome logic, I guess its okay to let that guy take your daughter out right away instead of having him earn the trust. That is what your baby logic says. Good job.

Your silly idea can be turned around.

How about people want to see some positive out of this coach before they pretend all is well.

 

[patrick]

Good to know we have supporters that will jump back on the bandwagon when/if cbj starts winning, and not support him until then. I guess that is now called blind following, by some fools on here. Don't support your child crawling before he walks either. Be there after its all happened. That's the way to go.
It's bandwagon, and you can go hang with the 1000's of bama bandwagon fans rolling around. You are no different.

You are so full of it!!!

Do you have children in school? If so, do you stand behind everything their teachers say and do? If you do, you are a fool.

When you were in college, if you had the opportunity, did you accept everything your professors taught you as gospel or did you critically analyze what they said and taught? Did you research the paramount issues on your own? If you accepted everything you were taught, again you are a fool!

Do you accept and stand behind everything your particular political party spews out their collective mouths??? If you do, again you are a fool.

You want to talk about supporting the coach of the Vols and the players. But you say it isn't blind faith..... but in actuality it is blind faith!!! Because there is little empirical evidence to suggest that CBJ will be a true success here at UT (and success means winning championships). Frankly very few coaches that go from the Big East to a power conference succeed. For that matter, most coaches that make the move to a pwr conference from a mid-major do not succeed!
If they did, there would be far less firings than there are - and this fact cannot be disputed.

The point is that I question CBJ's ability to even match what Fulmer did and I have paid a lot of money to watch the garbage that I have been seeing on the field overt he past 6-7 years (season ticket holder for over 15 years). I and many other Volunteers will not allow you to define what it means to be a Vol fan and/or how we should behave or what support we should give the Vols!

I do not sit and say that I have been any more of a Vol fan that someone who does not or cannot purchase season football tickets. Likewise, neither you nor anyone else on this board, will dictate to me the terms of being a Vol fan - and you will not dictate to me what type or manner of support I must give to be considered a "Volunteer"!!!!

 

[govolzgo]

You are so full of it!!!

Do you have children in school? If so, do you stand behind everything their teachers say and do? If you do, you are a fool.

When you were in college, if you had the opportunity, did you accept everything your professors taught you as gospel or did you critically analyze what they said and taught? Did you research the paramount issues on your own? If you accepted everything you were taught, again you are a fool!

Do you accept and stand behind everything your particular political party spews out their collective mouths??? If you do, again you are a fool.

You want to talk about supporting the coach of the Vols and the players. But you say it isn't blind faith..... but in actuality it is blind faith!!! Because there is little empirical evidence to suggest that CBJ will be a true success here at UT (and success means winning championships). Frankly very few coaches that go from the Big East to a power conference succeed. For that matter, most coaches that make the move to a pwr conference from a mid-major do not succeed!
If they did, there would be far less firings than there are - and this fact cannot be disputed.

The point is that I question CBJ's ability to even match what Fulmer did and I have paid a lot of money to watch the garbage that I have been seeing on the field overt he past 6-7 years (season ticket holder for over 15 years). I and many other Volunteers will not allow you to define what it means to be a Vol fan and/or how we should behave or what support we should give the Vols!

I do not sit and say that I have been any more of a Vol fan that someone who does not or cannot purchase season football tickets. Likewise, neither you nor anyone else on this board, will dictate to me the terms of being a Vol fan - and you will not dictate to me what type or manner of support I must give to be considered a "Volunteer"!!!!

I didn't hear him say anything about dictating what it meant to be a Volunteer. If you aren't willing to support Coach Jones until he gets a top 5 or top 10 recruiting class or a big sec win, then you are off the train, by your own account. If you jump back on the train "after" it happens, that's jumping on the bandwagon, whether you were lucky enough to go to college or buy a season ticket?

 

[Big_Orange_Fan]

The point is that I question CBJ's ability to even match what Fulmer did and I have paid a lot of money to watch the garbage that I have been seeing on the field overt he past 6-7 years (season ticket holder for over 15 years).

Just a question...

What year was it exactly and what made you want to buy them?

 

[patrick]

Just a question...

What year was it exactly and what made you want to buy them?

1997.....

Grew up a Volunteer - 3rd Generation Season Ticket Holder - The reason I made the INVESTMENT and bought season tickets is that I had been out of graduate school for a year and I was in a position to purchase my own tickets instead of relying on my father. Oh yea - and I was a Vol fan.

 

[24/7vol]

Fan..fanatic..fanaticism don't see how you compare your daughter going out with a guy or your kids in school to supporting your football team. I'll criticize the play calling and other stuff but I will unrealistically expect to win everytime we suit up. I am hair on fire excited about CBJ. It's a great distraction from life.

 

[patrick]

I didn't hear him say anything about dictating what it meant to be a Volunteer. If you aren't willing to support Coach Jones until he gets a top 5 or top 10 recruiting class or a big sec win, then you are off the train, by your own account. If you jump back on the train "after" it happens, that's jumping on the bandwagon, whether you were lucky enough to go to college or buy a season ticket?

I must have missed the Rules and Regulations section of letter that I received from the AD wanting my season ticket renewal and mandatory donation!!! So now its a rule that to be a Vol fan, you must support the coach - in this case CBJ!!!! Otherwise you are a bandwagon fan!! I call shyte!!! Did you support Kiffen - Dooley????

Did you support Dooley 100 +++ % until the day he was terminated or were you like most and wanted him fired sooner than he was???

You better be careful how you answer.... Because if you say you wanted him released sooner than he was then you yourself are the "bandwagon" fan that you are accusing me and others of being.... If you say you supported him til the end then you are a complete and total moron.... (and there is no sense responding to you)!!!

 

[InVOLuntary]

Good to know we have supporters that will jump back on the bandwagon when/if cbj starts winning, and not support him until then. I guess that is now called blind following, by some fools on here. Don't support your child crawling before he walks either. Be there after its all happened. That's the way to go.
It's bandwagon, and you can go hang with the 1000's of bama bandwagon fans rolling around. You are no different.

OK Sparty. Please don't take this the wrong way. Just trying to help you understand where some of us are coming from. I'll use an analogy as well.

You are out in the wilderness walking around trying to find your way. You are cold and tired from your journey. Suddenly you stumble upon a beautiful, clear, blue, steamy hot spring. Oh you think to yourself "finally a place to relax and rest". You pull a shoe off to test the water and someone suddenly appears and says "You are welcome to bathe here but it'll cost you a dollar". You contemplate and you think "heck, I'm tired and cold and this will feel so good ". So you pony up, stand on the edge and dive in head first. As soon as you hit the water, you experience extensive pain to the top of your head. It is then you realize that while the water is warm and beautiful, it is only two inches deep. You gather yourself and ask the person who took your dollar wth and they said they'd never said it was deep.

You move on with a sore head and a dollar short. You travel extensively until you are exhausted and can't proceed any further when you stumble on another beautiful, stunning, deep jade green pool. You think to yourself "oh how this will feel so good". You remove a shoe and start to dip your toe when someone appears and says "you are welcome to take a dip but it will cost you a dollar ". It is then you say "oh no I'm not falling for this again, last time the water was only an inch deep". The person responds by saying "we assure you it is very deep, feel free to dive right in". So convinced you fork over the dollar and dive in head first. Upon entering the water you discover the water to be slightly above freezing. The water is so cold you barely avoid cardiac arrest. You make it to shore and by this time the person with your dollar is nowhere to be found.

You move along and again travel many miles until exhausted. Once again you find yourself looking at another inviting body of water. This time you think to yourself "am I really going to do this again? " Then again someone appears out of nowhere and says "go ahead, the water's fine". You say "Well can I put a toe in to see if it's warm" They say "no you'll just have to trust us on this one ". Then you say "can I at least put a stick in to see how deep it is? ". They respond with "no sorry, you'll have to take our word on that too. "

So what do you do? You can take another dive into unknown water or you can sit and watch to see others dive in to see how the water truly is. Me personally, I'm gonna see if anyone else bumps their head or freezes to death before I jump in.

Merry Christmas :hi:

 

[vollygirl]

I must have missed the Rules and Regulations section of letter that I received from the AD wanting my season ticket renewal and mandatory donation!!! So now its a rule that to be a Vol fan, you must support the coach - in this case CBJ!!!! Otherwise you are a bandwagon fan!! I call shyte!!! Did you support Kiffen - Dooley????

Did you support Dooley 100 +++ % until the day he was terminated or were you like most and wanted him fired sooner than he was???

You better be careful how you answer.... Because if you say you wanted him released sooner than he was then you yourself are the "bandwagon" fan that you are accusing me and others of being.... If you say you supported him til the end then you are a complete and total moron.... (and there is no sense responding to you)!!!

Can you just take a breath for a minute? You aren't talking about life and death. You're discussing a new football coach at a college. Let's put a little perspective in here, okay?

It's alright for somebody to like what they see out of Jones and think he'll do well. If they're wrong, they're wrong. So what? Nothing any of us can do about it. And the questions won't be answered for a little while.

Merry Christmas and Go Vols!

 

[govolzgo]

I must have missed the Rules and Regulations section of letter that I received from the AD wanting my season ticket renewal and mandatory donation!!! So now its a rule that to be a Vol fan, you must support the coach - in this case CBJ!!!! Otherwise you are a bandwagon fan!! I call shyte!!! Did you support Kiffen - Dooley????

Did you support Dooley 100 +++ % until the day he was terminated or were you like most and wanted him fired sooner than he was???

You better be careful how you answer.... Because if you say you wanted him released sooner than he was then you yourself are the "bandwagon" fan that you are accusing me and others of being.... If you say you supported him til the end then you are a complete and total moron.... (and there is no sense responding to you)!!!

I thought hiring Dooley with a losing record was pretty stupid, but once it was done, he had my support. Did i want him gone, yes? And if he'd kept his job, and somehow turned things around, then if i'd come back around, I would have been jumping back on the bandwagon. That's the definition of the term. You can root for the Vols and not necessarily like the coach ... i'm not saying you can't. All I'm saying is if you decide, at some point later point in time, to start supporting the coach, you're jumping on the bandwagon ... again, by definition. I'm not saying it's necessarily some evil, bad, thing .. i'm just saying that's the definition of the term.

Have a beer dude ... love him or hate him. Merry Christmas!

 

[Big_Orange_Fan]

1997.....

Grew up a Volunteer - 3rd Generation Season Ticket Holder - The reason I made the INVESTMENT and bought season tickets is that I had been out of graduate school for a year and I was in a position to purchase my own tickets instead of relying on my father. Oh yea - and I was a Vol fan.

If you're 3rd generation ticket holder then you or your family members remember the bad years. There were a lot of empty seats back then. The way I feel about it is you support your school because you love them. Whether they are up or down the love remains the same. It's called loyalty. Just the same as a buddy you might have. If you're only supporting and praising them while they are up, but distancing yourself when they're down. Well there's not much loyalty there IMO.

Now ask yourself are you supporting them for what they can give you? SEC Championship or NC?

or

Are you supporting them because you love UT no matter what?

Going by your answer with emphasis on INVESTMENT I would conclude you expected a NC or minimal results of an SEC championship in return for your investment. That really sounds crazy to me. If all you're looking for is results for your investment maybe look at another team and you will have some better results. I will say this though..

WE WILL BE BACK!!!!

I will never pull any financial support from UT especially when they need it the most. Even as disappointed and pissed off as I have been pulling financial support has never even crossed my mind.

I've heard it said many times "If you can't handle the worst, you don't deserve the best".

Ask not what your university can do for you, but what can you do for your university.

GO VOLS!!!!!!

 

[Spartacavolus]

Using your awesome logic, I guess its okay to let that guy take your daughter out right away instead of having him earn the trust. That is what your baby logic says. Good job.

Your silly idea can be turned around.

How about people want to see some positive out of this coach before they pretend all is well.

I was just using an example. You are the same as him. Wouldn't expect a different response from the most negative drama queen around. Negativity is your pain pill and you are addicted.
Not my problem.

 

[orangebloodgmc]

If you're 3rd generation ticket holder then you or your family members remember the bad years. There were a lot of empty seats back then. The way I feel about it is you support your school because you love them. Whether they are up or down the love remains the same. It's called loyalty. Just the same as a buddy you might have. If you're only supporting and praising them while they are up, but distancing yourself when they're down. Well there's not much loyalty there IMO.

Now ask yourself are you supporting them for what they can give you? SEC Championship or NC?

or

Are you supporting them because you love UT no matter what?

Going by your answer with emphasis on INVESTMENT I would conclude you expected a NC or minimal results of an SEC championship in return for your investment. That really sounds crazy to me. If all you're looking for is results for your investment maybe look at another team and you will have some better results. I will say this though..

WE WILL BE BACK!!!!

I will never pull any financial support from UT especially when they need it the most. Even as disappointed and pissed off as I have been pulling financial support has never even crossed my mind.

I've heard it said many times "If you can't handle the worst, you don't deserve the best".

Ask not what your university can do for you, but what can you do for your university.

GO VOLS!!!!!!

You my boy, Blue! :good!: :rock:

 

[Spartacavolus]

No problem with people that are unsure if CBJ is the right one. Nobody knows what will happen. But there is quite a difference between being skeptical and acting like a butthurt beatch. Can't believe that has to be explained.

 

[patrick]

If you're 3rd generation ticket holder then you or your family members remember the bad years. There were a lot of empty seats back then. The way I feel about it is you support your school because you love them. Whether they are up or down the love remains the same. It's called loyalty. Just the same as a buddy you might have. If you're only supporting and praising them while they are up, but distancing yourself when they're down. Well there's not much loyalty there IMO.

Now ask yourself are you supporting them for what they can give you? SEC Championship or NC?

or

Are you supporting them because you love UT no matter what?

Going by your answer with emphasis on INVESTMENT I would conclude you expected a NC or minimal results of an SEC championship in return for your investment. That really sounds crazy to me. If all you're looking for is results for your investment maybe look at another team and you will have some better results. I will say this though..

WE WILL BE BACK!!!!

I will never pull any financial support from UT especially when they need it the most. Even as disappointed and pissed off as I have been pulling financial support has never even crossed my mind.

I've heard it said many times "If you can't handle the worst, you don't deserve the best".

Ask not what your university can do for you, but what can you do for your university.

GO VOLS!!!!!!

Seriously... "ask not what your university can do for you, but what you can do for your university".... Are you serious????

The University of Tennessee has done nothing for me except give me an overpriced piece of fake parchment paper that says I received a BS for which I greatly overpaid in tuition costs considering the underwhelming level of instruction that I received.

The only good that came out of my UT education was that the piece of paper that I received when I graduated allowed me to apply another scholastic endeavor - that being grad school!

And the UT AD's office is in the financial shape that it is because of its own mismanagement rather than anything that I have or have not done from a financial perspective. The UT AD does have a responsibility to its fans to provide a watchable product in consideration of the financial requirements that are placed on most season ticket holders. And yes they are requirements, if you want good or even average seats!!!!! I am investing in the UT program and I am entitled to at least a decent return on my investment!

If UT was a sub 500 program for the last 15 years, only the best of the best seats would require a donation albeit a small one.

 

[Big_Orange_Fan]

Seriously... "ask not what your university can do for you, but what you can do for your university".... Are you serious????

The University of Tennessee has done nothing for me except give me an overpriced piece of fake parchment paper that says I received a BS for which I greatly overpaid in tuition costs considering the underwhelming level of instruction that I received.

The only good that came out of my UT education was that the piece of paper that I received when I graduated allowed me to apply another scholastic endeavor - that being grad school!

And the UT AD's office is in the financial shape that it is because of its own mismanagement rather than anything that I have or have not done from a financial perspective. The UT AD does have a responsibility to its fans to provide a watchable product in consideration of the financial requirements that are placed on most season ticket holders. And yes they are requirements, if you want good or even average seats!!!!! I am investing in the UT program and I am entitled to at least a decent return on my investment!

If UT was a sub 500 program for the last 15 years, only the best of the best seats would require a donation albeit a small one.

First your not entitled to anything. And you are very confused on the term investment. You invested in your education. Which you do not seem to be happy with. The return on your education comes after you graduate and is figured by your projected lifetime earnings. Now none of this is guaranteed in today's world.

Now when you buy season tickets or any UT merchandise you are supporting the athletic program. There is a huge difference between support and investment. You support UT because you love them win, loose or draw at the end of the day they are your team.

While you were not happy with your "overpriced piece of fake parchment paper". I would have to ask why would you decided to support them in 97' after grad school if you were so disappointed? There would be no monetary return just the fact you as a fan could brag about your team winning a NC. Which in 97' most were projecting us to win the NC.

As far as responsibility to the fans there are none. Their responsibility is to our players. They owe them an education and a chance to play for one of the greatest NCAA football teams in the nation. To make sure the team is competitive on and off the field. Their responsibility is to do what is best for our kids.

We are asked if we would like to support our team by buying season ticket and merchandise. It is completely voluntarily, you can choose to support them or not.

See my support is unwavering no matter what I will always support my school.

Were not so great now, but I'll tell you this

I bleed orange and if I'm the last one left I will still be yelling at the top of my lungs with all the pride in the world ....

IT'S GREAT TO BE A TENNESSEE VOL!!!!!

 

[VolNExile]

Fan..fanatic..fanaticism don't see how you compare your daughter going out with a guy or your kids in school to supporting your football team. I'll criticize the play calling and other stuff but I will unrealistically expect to win everytime we suit up. I am hair on fire excited about CBJ. It's a great distraction from life.

I love this!!! :dance2::dance2::dance2:

 

[VolFan4Life87]

Seriously... "ask not what your university can do for you, but what you can do for your university".... Are you serious????

The University of Tennessee has done nothing for me except give me an overpriced piece of fake parchment paper that says I received a BS for which I greatly overpaid in tuition costs considering the underwhelming level of instruction that I received.

The only good that came out of my UT education was that the piece of paper that I received when I graduated allowed me to apply another scholastic endeavor - that being grad school!

And the UT AD's office is in the financial shape that it is because of its own mismanagement rather than anything that I have or have not done from a financial perspective. The UT AD does have a responsibility to its fans to provide a watchable product in consideration of the financial requirements that are placed on most season ticket holders. And yes they are requirements, if you want good or even average seats!!!!! I am investing in the UT program and I am entitled to at least a decent return on my investment!

If UT was a sub 500 program for the last 15 years, only the best of the best seats would require a donation albeit a small one.

What was your major?

 

[volbreaker]

I must have missed the Rules and Regulations section of letter that I received from the AD wanting my season ticket renewal and mandatory donation!!! So now its a rule that to be a Vol fan, you must support the coach - in this case CBJ!!!! Otherwise you are a bandwagon fan!! I call shyte!!! Did you support Kiffen - Dooley????

Did you support Dooley 100 +++ % until the day he was terminated or were you like most and wanted him fired sooner than he was???

You better be careful how you answer.... Because if you say you wanted him released sooner than he was then you yourself are the "bandwagon" fan that you are accusing me and others of being.... If you say you supported him til the end then you are a complete and total moron.... (and there is no sense responding to you)!!!

I supported him until the last
3 games....that is when it became apparent that there was no pulling out of the nose-dive. The last two games were the real deal sealer. In retrospect (and with ZERO concession to the Grudenite's that were delusional and, probably escalted the demise), I am extremely pleased with the hire and far more comfortable than with Gruden.

 

[Spartacavolus]

What was your major?

Drama

 

[voldawgforever]

Your gonna get flammed by alot of left over grudenites, but I agree with you. They'll be here in a few years swearing they loved him from the start, when only a few are really believing in him.

The Grudenites only existed BEFORE the Butch hire, dummy. You must be one of those swivel neck ratchet jaws with a flip top head, you just go on about anything.

 

[patrick]

First your not entitled to anything. And you are very confused on the term investment. You invested in your education. Which you do not seem to be happy with. The return on your education comes after you graduate and is figured by your projected lifetime earnings. Now none of this is guaranteed in today's world.

Now when you buy season tickets or any UT merchandise you are supporting the athletic program. There is a huge difference between support and investment. You support UT because you love them win, loose or draw at the end of the day they are your team.

While you were not happy with your "overpriced piece of fake parchment paper". I would have to ask why would you decided to support them in 97' after grad school if you were so disappointed? There would be no monetary return just the fact you as a fan could brag about your team winning a NC. Which in 97' most were projecting us to win the NC.

As far as responsibility to the fans there are none. Their responsibility is to our players. They owe them an education and a chance to play for one of the greatest NCAA football teams in the nation. To make sure the team is competitive on and off the field. Their responsibility is to do what is best for our kids.

We are asked if we would like to support our team by buying season ticket and merchandise. It is completely voluntarily, you can choose to support them or not.

See my support is unwavering no matter what I will always support my school.

Were not so great now, but I'll tell you this

I bleed orange and if I'm the last one left I will still be yelling at the top of my lungs with all the pride in the world ....

IT'S GREAT TO BE A TENNESSEE VOL!!!!!

FYI - Your own vaunted UT AD refers to donations and fan support as "investment" into the program!!!! Shall I pull quotes for you from the AD over the past decade???

And to say that the UT AD and its many programs has no responsibility to its fan base is completely and totally asinine!!! Without fans and their monetary support - whether it be in tix sales, required donations, other donations, merchandise sales, concession sales, tv contracts (without fan support in the magnitude that we are dealing with in the SEC - there would be no $$$$ TV deals) - there would no such thing as major college sports.

If UT Ad had no responsibility to its fans, then why do they do the numerous Vol road shows (or autograph sessions - meet your seats - junior Vol programs - Vol athletic camps - "tailgater" awards - "Core Values" of the UT AD include Service to our students, fans and community). In fact the UT AD and all of its coaches have said that they have a responsibility to the fan base!!!!

 

[patrick]

What was your major?

Business Administration.

What is was your major at UT (if you attended UT)?

 

[patrick]

I supported him until the last
3 games....that is when it became apparent that there was no pulling out of the nose-dive. The last two games were the real deal sealer. In retrospect (and with ZERO concession to the Grudenite's that were delusional and, probably escalted the demise), I am extremely pleased with the hire and far more comfortable than with Gruden.

I am not talking about Gruden - that ship ha sailed already and has nothing to do with this thread or CBJ.

By your own admission then you are a bandwagon fan according to govolzgo since you did not support Dooley til the bitter end.

 

[Wylo]

I was just using an example. You are the same as him. Wouldn't expect a different response from the most negative drama queen around. Negativity is your pain pill and you are addicted.
Not my problem.

Failure to even combat your lousy example.

Great job, Sparty...

I thank you for saying I'm the most negative. Although I am pretty sure there are far more negative folks around.

You think people have to blindly follow without asking questions.

You are nothing but a weak follower. There is nothing wrong with demanding proof.

Even the most negative people around here love UT. It is the bad hires and crappy administration that people are negative about.