Is Mike Hamilton the greatest AD of all time?

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#77
tvolsfan said:
I'm not exactly a huge Hamilton fan, either. I just find it funny that people think Mal Moore is a good athletic director.
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Mal Moore finally got something right in regards to Alabama football, might be two more years before if we know Dooley was right. We all knew Saban would win at Alabama, i didn't think he'd do it quite that fast though. Anyway a lot of difference in the two hires, one got a sure thing with a strong resume. One got a coach that had a losing record in the WAC, although i'm not going to hold that against him just saying. It's another hire that is luke warm in my opinion.
 
#79
#79
So Kiffen comes in with his first "great" recruiting class, the Dooley comes in the next year and salvages his second. We're 7-6 with Kif, and 6-7 with Dooley. Yes, I'd say he left us loaded.
 
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shyster said:
So Kiffen comes in with his first "great" recruiting class, the Dooley comes in the next year and salvages his second. We're 7-6 with Kif, and 6-7 with Dooley. Yes, I'd say he left us loaded.
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You realize the absolute oldest of Kiffin's recruits will be juniors next year, right? It's not basketball. Loaded may be too strong a word, but Kiffin definitely left us enough pieces to make competing for the SEC title in 2012 a possibility.
 
#81
#81
The hire of Lane Kiffen has caused the most damage to UT football than any other single event.
 
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Cartervol said:
Mal Moore finally got something right in regards to Alabama football, might be two more years before if we know Dooley was right. We all knew Saban would win at Alabama, i didn't think he'd do it quite that fast though. Anyway a lot of difference in the two hires, one got a sure thing with a strong resume. One got a coach that had a losing record in the WAC, although i'm not going to hold that against him just saying. It's another hire that is luke warm in my opinion.
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That's not the point. I'm not giving Moore that much credit for hiring Saban because it didn't take any special ability. It's one thing to make a great evaluation. It's another thing to receive credit for the hire when all you really did is screw up so much your boosters decided they would just throw a bunch of money at a guy looking for a way out of the NFL.
 
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shyster said:
So Kiffen comes in with his first "great" recruiting class, the Dooley comes in the next year and salvages his second. We're 7-6 with Kif, and 6-7 with Dooley. Yes, I'd say he left us loaded.
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Imagine where we would have been last season without that QB that Kiffin recruited. He also recruited several of the offensive linemen that started last year and Janzen Jackson. He missed on some guys, but he got some good players too.
 
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shyster said:
The hire of Lane Kiffen has caused the most damage to UT football than any other single event.
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Not nearly as much as:
1. The hiring of Bill Battle
2. The decision to retain Fulmer for so long
3. The decisions by Florida to hire Spurrier and Meyer
 
#85
#85
In my opinion I dont feel Hamilton has done a bad job hiring coaches. He's done a bad job overseeing their operation. I personally loved the direction that both the football and basketball programs were heading before all of the allegations were announced.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Imagine where we would have been last season without that QB that Kiffin recruited. He also recruited several of the offensive linemen that started last year and Janzen Jackson. He missed on some guys, but he got some good players too.
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If Fulmer stays one more year and then Dooley is hired, UT would have probably gone 4-8 or worse last year.
 
#87
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I should have added IMHO I guess. I still have this opinion. I don't think any of the list damaged UT more than Lane.
 
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tvolsfan said:
That's not the point. I'm not giving Moore that much credit for hiring Saban because it didn't take any special ability. It's one thing to make a great evaluation. It's another thing to receive credit for the hire when all you really did is screw up so much your boosters decided they would just throw a bunch of money at a guy looking for a way out of the NFL.
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AD's at schools like UT and Bama shouldn't have to be great evaluators of coaches. It should be pretty clear the guys that are qualified for big times jobs like that, and all the AD needs to do is get the money situation in order to get his guy to come to the school.

I'll agree with you Moore has made some awful hires and that Bama caught some lucky breaks in the whole process of hiring Saban. However, I feel that in the same situation, knowing Saban wanted out of Miami, Mike Hamilton would have found a way to screw it up because he wouldn't come off the money it took to get a coach like that. Moore didn't, and for that, if nothing else, he deserves at least a little credit.
 
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shyster said:
I should have added IMHO I guess. I still have this opinion. I don't think any of the list damaged UT more than Lane.
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Bull crap. Lane leaving basically guaranteed 2010 would be awful and made 2011 a question mark at best. Hiring Battle just about wrecked the program. Retaining Fulmer for so long is why Tennessee has had to depend so much on Kiffin's recruits the last couple of years.
 
#90
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tvolsfan said:
That's not the point. I'm not giving Moore that much credit for hiring Saban because it didn't take any special ability. It's one thing to make a great evaluation. It's another thing to receive credit for the hire when all you really did is screw up so much your boosters decided they would just throw a bunch of money at a guy looking for a way out of the NFL.
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Doesn't really matter, what they did worked . I'd love to set around and think up things that make Mike Hamilton look like a good AD right now but jeez i just can't think of any. I guess i could have mentioned the played out tired fund raising thing but i figured that one was a given by now.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
AD's at schools like UT and Bama shouldn't have to be great evaluators of coaches. It should be pretty clear the guys that are qualified for big times jobs like that, and all the AD needs to do is get the money situation in order to get his guy to come to the school.
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There are qualified people like Gary Patterson and there are hires that would almost never happen, like Saban.


I'll agree with you Moore has made some awful hires and that Bama caught some lucky breaks in the whole process of hiring Saban. However, I feel that in the same situation, knowing Saban wanted out of Miami, Mike Hamilton would have found a way to screw it up because he wouldn't come off the money it took to get a coach like that. Moore didn't, and for that, if nothing else, he deserves at least a little credit.
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Maybe, but if the boosters decided to throw a lot of money at him, it may not turn out that way.
 
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My recollection is that Fulmer had a shot at a great recruiting class before he was fired. But I am not trying to defend Fulmer. I'm just saying that really bad things have happened under MH's watch.
 
#93
#93
Cartervol said:
Doesn't really matter, what they did worked . I'd love to set around and think up things that make Mike Hamilton look like a good AD right now but jeez i just can't think of any. I guess i could have mentioned the played out tired fund raising thing but i figured that one was a given by now.
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So if Haslam decides to offer Jon Gruden 10 million dollars to replace Dooley and Gruden accepts and wins big here, does that mean Hamilton did a good job?
 
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shyster said:
My recollection is that Fulmer had a shot at a great recruiting class before he was fired. But I am not trying to defend Fulmer. I'm just saying that really bad things have happened under MH's watch.
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Fulmer would have bought in some great players like Tajh Boyd.
 
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shyster said:
I should have added IMHO I guess. I still have this opinion. I don't think any of the list damaged UT more than Lane.
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Disagree completely. Kiffin leaving town wouldn't have been nearly as disastrous if not for the fact that Fulmer had been allowed to drive the program into the dirt for half a decade. The situation was already pretty precarious when Kiffin arrived, and his departure obviously made it worse. Still, most of the top tier SEC schools could have survived something like that if they had full rosters to work with.
 
#96
#96
This is my point exactly. UT's athletics are suffering under MH. You can call it bad luck if you like, but it has been a whole lot of bad luck, unlike Mal Moore's gaffs that landed Saban.
 
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oregonvol said:
I mean, I don't know of anyone else who can hire both a football coach and a basketball coach, and manage to please both diehard Vol fans as well as the fans of all their rivals.

I don't know about you, but personally, I can't wait to see what this guy does next.

Force Pat Summitt into early retirement, so he can hire the fat girl from Facts of Life?

Try to buy Kentucky out of the annual football match-up so Dooley can keep the streak alive?

Track down Fulmer and give him a few more million for his retirement?

Who can say? The only thing that's certain, is that most of this board will get behind him.
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Great post very funny. roflmao
 
#99
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tvolsfan said:
There are qualified people like Gary Patterson and there are hires that would almost never happen, like Saban.
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Exactly. But then there are also hires that no decent SEC program would make, like Derek Dooley.

I'll admit that I, along with most everyone else, have little insider knowledge of the full details of these coaching searches. Still, it seems like we constantly settle for sub-par hires. We likely weren't going to get Brad Stevens or Shaka Smart, but at least wait till the tourney is over and force them to turn down some big money. You can't win the lottery if you don't buy a ticket, and it just always seems like UT never buys their ticket in these things. The last football hire felt much the same. I still think that if MH would have gone on record saying we were willing to pay $4-$5M for a football coach, we could have come up with something better than what we got stuck with.
 
#100
#100
begging for Smart while knocking the hire of Martin is absolutely ridiculous (so is putting him in the same league as Stevens)
 
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