Is the upheaval of college sports—especially football—the comeuppance…

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Figure out a way to do away with the collectives. The donors or their interests aren’t benefiting from their contributions anyway. If they want to make a commercial, endorse a product/company, or something like that then fine but it can’t have a remote affiliation to the school they play for.
 
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J C Higgins said:
I'm not an attorney nor a politician but it seems to me the only solution is federal legislation that would exempt college athletics from some current laws that would otherwise apply (the Sherman antitrust law ? and or others?) because of the unique circumstances related to collegiate athletics.

Another (more radical) option is federal legislation that would prevent federal money of any kind.... direct aid, loans, grants, research stipends, etc.... to go to any school that violates some prescribed rules about NIL as related to student athletes". Very few, if any school, will continue if they know all federal money will be discontinued. Schools would be free to continue with the current NIL situation but if they do they would have to go without federal support of any type.

Yea, I know it sounds crazy but with the current laws I see no way to change the situation without something like this happening.
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The last thing that “fixes“ anything is federal legislation.
 
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C-south said:
Figure out a way to do away with the collectives. The donors or their interests aren’t benefiting from their contributions anyway. If they want to make a commercial, endorse a product/company, or something like that then fine but it can’t have a remote affiliation to the school they play for.
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Let the collectives sign the athletes to binding contracts. It’s a simple fix.
 
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C-south said:
Anything at this point would be an improvement.
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The way I look at it is a collective signs you to a 2-3-4 year contract as long as you play for whatever U a player can still transfer but cannot sign a NIL deal with another collective (without a buyout). But could still play immediately and still get NIL money outside of a collective which most couldn’t.
 
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hog88 said:
The way I look at it is a collective signs you to a 2-3-4 year contract as long as you play for whatever U a player can still transfer but cannot sign a NIL deal with another collective (without a buyout). But could still play immediately and still get NIL money outside of a collective which most couldn’t.
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Who in the heck is going to sign an NIL that limits your other NIL earning from elsewhere? Imagine someone trying to "lock in" Peyton to only doing one company's commercials. He'd be crazy to do that and I think any agent would reject that straight away.

What is in it for the kid to sign that kind of deal unless it's well above the market value?
 
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C-south said:
That might be easier if they were paid by the schools. Hard to enforce when the cash comes from elsewhere.
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It works the same way assuming the $$$ donors paid to entice them to go to UT. The player would have to pay the NIL donor some penalty money which could be recycled to entice other players.
 
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hillsborovol said:
It works the same way assuming the $$$ donors paid to entice them to go to UT. The player would have to pay the NIL donor some penalty money which could be recycled to entice other players.
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Similar to what Hogg was saying earlier. Make them sign contracts with the collective and having to pay a buyout to be released.
 
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C-south said:
Similar to what Hogg was saying earlier. Make them sign contracts with the collective and having to pay a buyout to be released.
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How does this "make them sign" work when other schools are unlikely to do this because the players and their agents don't see any advantage at all to limiting themselves?

How to you "make them?"
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
So you HOPE other schools join you when they can get an advantage by offering players a better deal by not joining you.

Sounds legit.
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WTH are you talking about? I didn’t mention anything about a “better deal” or any of the other stupid s*** you said. I was mentioning what myself and another person spoke about in regards to regulating the mess that is NIL. As is there’s no repercussions for the clown kids and all the risk is on the ones forking out money these wannabes think they deserve. If I’m paying for you to do something and you decide you want to do it for someone else then give me my money back. It’s really a simple concept but I’m not sure you can understand.
 
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C-south said:
WTH are you talking about? I didn’t mention anything about a “better deal” or any of the other stupid s*** you said. I was mentioning what myself and another person spoke about in regards to regulating the mess that is NIL. As is there’s no repercussions for the clown kids and all the risk is on the ones forking out money these wannabes think they deserve. If I’m paying for you to do something and you decide you want to do it for someone else then give me my money back. It’s really a simple concept but I’m not sure you can understand.
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What I'm saying is that "making them sign" long-term contracts with the NIL collective won't work because there's no way the players are going to want to limit their options like that.

There's zero incentive for them to sign such a deal where they'd owe a "buyout" to the collective of they transferred. Why should they?
 
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Nico ee-ah-MAH-LAY-ah-va said:
Coach Heupel goes for 10 wins for the second time in 4 years. VN posters: “Heupel just doesn’t know what to do”

It’s like you all are addicted to drama.
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10 wins in a pretty favorable schedule and still dropped to a 6-6 Arkansas team and got embarrassed by teams that know how to recruit and manage talent.

And let's be real, we aren't complaining about the portal in basketball and baseball because Barnes and Tony V know how to manage the talent and don't have dead weight coaches like Kelsey Pope, willie Martinez and Glen Ellarbee around them.
 
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Nico ee-ah-MAH-LAY-ah-va said:
What is your deal? I guess this season doesn’t count.

I bet you don’t even give a **** we beat Florida and Bama. What a loser mentality.
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A 6-6 Florida and a 3 loss Alabama at home is not the achievement it used to be. If we would have been competitive in either UGA or OSU games It would be fine but both of those games were embarrassing and I was at the latter. I wasted 100s of dollars right before Christmas to go watch this team look like south Doyle high School. So yeah, it's not good enough and the fact that Kelsey Pope, Glen ellarbee, and Willie Martinez still has jobs baffles me and makes me doubt huepel.

Edit: I'd say the loser mentality is "beating a bad Florida and mid bama team is good enough."

10-2 and an early playoff exit is mark Richt.
 
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Nico ee-ah-MAH-LAY-ah-va said:
Coach Heupel goes for 10 wins for the second time in 4 years. VN posters: “Heupel just doesn’t know what to do”

It’s like you all are addicted to drama.
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It’s such a caveman mentality where people are unable to think about anything except the last thing they saw and are clueless about context. These are the people that win games and then shout “O-ver-rated”.
 
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CNCVol88 said:
10 wins in a pretty favorable schedule and still dropped to a 6-6 Arkansas team and got embarrassed by teams that know how to recruit and manage talent.

And let's be real, we aren't complaining about the portal in basketball and baseball because Barnes and Tony V know how to manage the talent and don't have dead weight coaches like Kelsey Pope, willie Martinez and Glen Ellarbee around them.
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Bama doesn’t know how to recruit or manage talent? Florida? Both teams have more talent than us LOL.

The other problem: all three coaches you named have had players drafted, including a first rounder. Not arguing they are great coaches because those were not players they recruited, but it still counts when they had them for a year or two under their belts.
 
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Nico ee-ah-MAH-LAY-ah-va said:
Bama doesn’t know how to recruit or manage talent? Florida? Both teams have more talent than us LOL.

The other problem: all three coaches you named have had players drafted, including a first rounder. Not arguing they are great coaches because those were not players they recruited, but it still counts when they had them for a year or two under their belts.
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Nothing easier in sports fandom than to be a coach killer.
 
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VN posters: wins against more talented teams do not matter. Only our losses to less talented teams count, along with losses to other more talented teams.

Y’all need a new sport because y’all a bunch of whiners. Literally no negative fan would be missed. You only post here because your wives and friends don’t want to hear your depressing scenarios about how winning 10 games doesn’t matter and that Coach Heupel sucks.
 
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