Israel confronts flotilla

[BeecherVol]

The last ship never reached Israeli waters.

No reason why it should have.

 

[gsvol]

A clear violation of international law... period. They were in international waters.

The people on that boat were on a humanitarian mission challenging another illegal and inhumane blockade of Gaza.

That's how I see it.

That may be the way you see it but you are as wrong as can be, wrong about every last word of your post as a matter of fact.

According to international law when the Turkish ship made clear it's aim of running the blocade, that made them fair game. Interdictions like this are routinely made on the high seas, drug and/or arms smugglers and priates would be two prime examples.

As for the activists calling themselves humanitarians, that is for the most part bogus, there were members of several terrorist groups posing as humanitarians including al Qaeda.

The blockade of Gaza is NOT illegal, the Israelis have the right to demand that incoming shipping go through customs and as a matter of fact on the last ship military hardware was found.

After removing the detonators etc from the shipment the Israelis offered the humanitarian goods to Hamas and they refused to accept them.

There is nothing inhumane about the condition of the people in Gaza, except perhaps the violence and fanaticism of Hamas that they have to deal with.

Considering what you have posted thus far since you appeared on this board you probably already are qualified to be awarded the annual gullibility and naivete prize and maybe you might win the sheer stupidity award also but I warn you ACLG is tough to beat in that category.

Gaza today.

Attention, photos insoutenables ! Gaza affamée.

 

[Daddy Gee]

After removing the detonators etc from the shipment the Israelis offered the humanitarian goods to Hamas and they refused to accept them.

I read where they send 10,000 tons of supplies a week to gaza ...

 

[gsvol]

I agree with you. Their main mission was to challenge the illegal and inhumane blockade of Gaza.

There were people of many nationalities on that boat. Some fellow Americans too...

Israel's blockade of Gaza is disgusting.

Where do you come up with such silly crap?

The blockade is not illegal nor is it inhumane.

They can get all the humanitarian aid they want, it just has to go through customs so that material used to make war on Israel are removed from the shipments.

Do you think it humane for Hamas to make terrorist attacks on Israeli citizens?? What is your opinion of the rockets Hamas fires on a daily basis into southern Isreal, to land on homes or scholl yards or where ever, is that some srt of humane act??

BTW, I don't consider anyone who aids terrorists to be my fellow American no matter whether he holds citizernship or not, and that goes as well for those who do so merely by repeating terrorist lies.

I can give anyone the benefit of doubt because of pure ignorance but that only goes so far, after a while they should have no excuse to claim ignorance.



Here is more information on some of your sweetheart humanitarians: (50 of them were members of terrorist groups)

Israeli Action against So-Called Freedom Flotilla

50 passengers on Turkish ‘aid’ ship reportedly have ties to terrorist groups | THE ZEITGEISTY REPORT


You know they are politically correct in a fascist world when they yell 'go back to Austwich (sp?) Jew!!!

 

[Oldvol75]

Well if Iran were to send a boat to the US to help in the gulf of Mexico and it started up the Mississippi, I believe we (the US) would board that ship also!

 

[gsvol]

So, what kinds of weapons were seized from the attack?

Some items found include:

detonators
ieds
bulletproof vests
night-vision goggles
gas masks
knives (some of which are of a popular type used by mujhadeedn jihadists for cutting throats and/or beheading.)
machetes
catapults
materials intended for building rockets

I don't think all of the cargo has been searched, could be wrong on that.

Some of the seized weapons had been used to attack Israelis who had boarded a ship that was attempting to run the blockade.

The group of over 50 passengers with possible terror connections have refused to identify themselves and were not carrying passports. Many of them were carrying envelopes packed with thousands of dollars in cash.

Previous detainees are Jordanian, Mauritanian, Moroccan, Kuwaiti, Pakistani, Indonesian and Syrian.

Just askin' questions to understand better. I, also, don't understand laws in international waters, either. I gotta read up on that. I'm not trying to make an argument either way.

The Turkish ships made themselves legal targest when they announced their intention of running the blockade, and that includes in international waters.

Not my opinion, this has been stated as fact by one of the top international maritime lawyers here in America.

IMRA - Monday, May 31, 2010 The Gaza flotilla and the maritime blockade of Gaza - Legal background from the Foreign Ministry

The Mediterranean is not a lake in Israel.

It ain't the dead sea either.

Being purposely ignorant is one thing, being a natural born numbskull is something else.

 

[MG1968]

I agree with you. Their main mission was to challenge the illegal and inhumane blockade of Gaza.

There were people of many nationalities on that boat. Some fellow Americans too...

Israel's blockade of Gaza is disgusting.

Egypt is also conducting a blockade of Gaza. Humanitarian aid is getting to Gaza. What's even more pathetic is that when the Jewish residents of Gaza left a few years ago, they left an incredible amount of infrastructure, including multi-million dollar greenhouses. The Palestinians looted what they could and destroyed what they couldn't.

and screw any Americans that were on those boats, ever hear the expression, "lie down with dogs and wake up with fleas"?

 

[Heebs]

Very interesting thread to say the least.

The main point I gathered is how naive Boseefus is concerning Middle Eastern affairs. To think that the US has the implicit ability to step in and tell it like it is is to ignore decades of history and precedent.

And any country (Palestine) that openly supports terrorism is not going to get a lick of sympathy from me or most well informed Americans.

I read that at least one of the caskets carried through the streets of Turkey (apparently THE best ally we have in the Middle East, according to some...) was covered by only the Hamas flag.

Hamas are dirty, disgusting human beings and I hope they endure eternal punishment for their cause. To think Palestinians are not anti-American is just plain foolish.

 

[gsvol]

I respect your opinion, but I fail to see how Israel can morally justify what it did. I just can't.

You must have one weird set of morals, where did you get them studying Dr Mengele?

So the British, Australian, Swedish, Canadian, Turkish, Malaysian, Serbian, Irish, Kuwaiti, ... etc, including some fellow American citizens were smuggling weapons?

Well, yes.

BTW, can you back up the claim there were Serbians on one of the ships??

I respect your opinion, but I definitely would not want my country to do the same thing the Israelis did.

So you would have ships from anywhere in the world landing in America and offload what they want without any inspection by our customs officials??

 

[BoseefusTheVol]

You must have one weird set of morals, where did you get them studying Dr Mengele?





Well, yes.

BTW, can you back up the claim there were Serbians on one of the ships??





So you would have ships from anywhere in the world landing in America and offload what they want without any inspection by our customs officials??

1- who the he!! Is Dr. Mengele??!

2- Read it somewhere.

3- Attack a cruise ship with special forces and murder 9 civilians... No thank you.
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[gsvol]

Very interesting thread to say the least.

The main point I gathered is how naive Boseefus is concerning Middle Eastern affairs. To think that the US has the implicit ability to step in and tell it like it is is to ignore decades of history and precedent.

And any country (Palestine) that openly supports terrorism is not going to get a lick of sympathy from me or most well informed Americans.

I read that at least one of the caskets carried through the streets of Turkey (apparently THE best ally we have in the Middle East, according to some...) was covered by only the Hamas flag.

Hamas are dirty, disgusting human beings and I hope they endure eternal punishment for their cause. To think Palestinians are not anti-American is just plain foolish.

Rather than being distracted by the mideast and Korea we should be concerned with what is going on in America imo.

Fethullah Gulen: Working for the Islamic Caliphate from Saylorsburg, PA ? Winds Of Jihad By SheikYerMami

Boseefus can't hold a candle to Hank Williams Jr's hound dog, he is in over his head to take such a handle, his real problem is that he was dropped on his head as a young child, probably from a fourth floor balcony.

 

[gsvol]

So, what kinds of weapons were seized from the attack?

Additionally to the reply above.

Rifles, ammunition and gun sights may have been thrown overboard.

'Guns may have been thrown overboard'

The initial Israeli commando team had paint guns, one was thrown overboard, another to a deck thirty feet below.

Even al-Jazeera cameramen supported the Israeli account of what happened.

Also North Korea has been involved with exporting missile technology to Turkey.

Everyone in the world knew what was on that ship. Even the Israelis. There's another ship on the way called "the Rachel Corrie"... also carrying humanitarian supplies.

I'll bet you the Israelis don't storm that ship after the PR disaster on their hands...

I'll call that bet, how much money do you want to put one the line???

C'mom bad boy put your money where your mouth is!!!

Of course they refuse. It's the whole point of their protest. That Israel has no legal authority to search and seize goods going into Gaza.

They appose and rightfully so imo, the whole collective punishment of the entire people of Gaza.

Beg pardon, Israel does have the legal authority to search and seize good going into Gaza, you are grossly misinformed.

Appose up your nose.

If they do they'd be dumb. And dumber to pull it off in international waters again. Spin it how ever you want... it was illegal.

You are wrong.

You have absolutely no understanding of the law.

Bro, there were no weapons. It was foreign activists who believe the blockade of Gaza is unjust. Israel blocking off the main necessities of life for the citizens of Gaza is wrong imo.

You are so FOS it's running out your nose.

There were weapons.

Israel is not blocking off neccessities of life to anyone.

 

[gsvol]

I honestly don't know if there is or isn't.

This was a PR trip mainly by people who oppose Israel's blockade of Gaza. They thought they'd get near Gaza, the Israelis would block them from getting there, turn ship and sail back and get probably 24 hr PR on an issue that they care about.

Read some of the press in Israel... their gov't is getting blasted by what they decided to do.

Pardon me for ever saying your efforts were sophomoric, I should have said they were prekindergarten baby babble.

Let's just shoot them down over international air space and not worry about the customs process at all.

I've listened to tapes of foreign pilots shooting down American intelligence planes over international waters, not what I would call fun, wehn people remember the Pueblo, they shouldn't forget the 13 American airmen who lost their lives, shot down over international waters.

Have youever heard of the Berlin airlift??

Yes, that is correct. The blockade is illegal and immoral imo.

But this act in particular was a violation of international law. That is not an opinion, it is a fact.
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That IS NOT a fact, that is a damned lie or pure ignorance.

Exactly how many of you guys who unwaveringly support all of Israel's actions do so on religious grounds?

Has nothing to do with religion, has evertyhing to do with right and wrong.

1. It IS illegal to seize ships in international waters.

2. The alternate "route" to get supplies goes through an Israeli inspection, where anything not appearing on a list of 75 SPECIFIC items is blocked from entering Gaza. Of all the aid a place like Gaza needs, do you really believe they only need 75 different individual items?

1. No, it is done all the time.

2. Do you have that list??

Gaza isn't in need of aid, what Gaza is in need of is to get rid of all it's crazies.

 

[gsvol]

Again, Turkey is a democracy in the region.

Turkey is rapicly becoming a theocracy akin to Iran.

No, you are jumping to conclusions. I am just saying the situation is way too complicated to just pick a horse and go with it.

So whe it is all said and one,
when the race is won and done,
when people cash in their winning
tickets or toss their losers,
you will have nothing to show
and zero chance of winning anything?

It's high time you wised up.

There is no middle ground and you can't ride the fence forever, in the meantime barbed wire can hang some nasty scars on your buttocks while you ride that fence, watch out.

Well, I don't really trust either one. Turkey has never had spies caught stealing state secrets from us, though. How about Israel, our buddies?

But they have never advocated for the overthrow of the American government as the current leaders of Turkey do.

 

[gsvol]

1- who the he!! Is Dr. Mengele??!

2- Read it somewhere.

3- Attack a cruise ship with special forces and murder 9 civilians... No thank you.
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1. He was a WWII nazi hero.

2. Where, you want to provide a link to that BS claim?
I think you are a lying dog. Eithther that or you are parroting the lies of some other lying dogs.

3. Even al-Jazeera said the Israelies acted in self defense, are you a member of NOI or something??
The Israelis had paint guns for God's sake.

Remember the Achille Lauro??

Remember Cleo Noel?

Or more recently John Granville??

There is no rational reason for anyone to be as ignorant as you are, no ratioanl reason at all. :banghead2:

 

[gsvol]

Originally Posted by BoseefusTheVol
. There's another ship on the way called "the Rachel Corrie"... also carrying humanitarian supplies.

I'll bet you the Israelis don't storm that ship after the PR disaster on their hands...

When it comes to put up or shut up you hang on to your chump change don't you???

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[Jewbaccah]

This is how it is and funny.

YouTube - Flotilla Choir presents: We Con the World

 

[volinbham]

This is how it is and funny.

YouTube - Flotilla Choir presents: We Con the World

Pretty good.

 

[gsvol]

Vatican says world ignores Christians in Mideast - Yahoo! News

A bit off topic but something that's been my mind for quite a while.

I find it hard to understand those who so ardently advocate for religious freedom for muslims in America but won't even attempt to discuss the treatment of Christians beyond the veil of islam.

 

[BoseefusTheVol]

Vatican says world ignores Christians in Mideast - Yahoo! News

A bit off topic but something that's been my mind for quite a while.

I find it hard to understand those who so ardently advocate for religious freedom for muslims in America but won't even attempt to discuss the treatment of Christians beyond the veil of islam.

You find it hard because you are a closed minded zealot. :crazy:

Or maybe you are just too dumb to understand the 1st Amendment. :crazy:

 

[TrueOrange]

Vatican says world ignores Christians in Mideast - Yahoo! News

A bit off topic but something that's been my mind for quite a while.

I find it hard to understand those who so ardently advocate for religious freedom for muslims in America but won't even attempt to discuss the treatment of Christians beyond the veil of islam.

because there's actually shades of differences between dealing with what goes on in your country vs somewhere else in the world

especially when your country is supposed to be based on the ideas of freedom and equality for each and every one who sets foot on its soil

 

[rjd970]

Vatican says world ignores Christians in Mideast - Yahoo! News

A bit off topic but something that's been my mind for quite a while.

I find it hard to understand those who so ardently advocate for religious freedom for muslims in America but won't even attempt to discuss the treatment of Christians beyond the veil of islam.

It's amazing to me that here we are, so few generations removed from Christians killing heretics in front of their families, burning witches, and torturing scientists for speculating about the universe and you continue to harp about the mistreatment of Christians. I'm sure you would be quick to point out...even though all the sadistic church leaders in the 14th century read the teachings in from NT...that this wasn't true Christianity. Yet, at the same time, you are quick to point out the violent teachings of Islam and lump all Muslims as believing this nonsense. Islam is a problem, I fully agree with that. But the solution here is to bring the majority of the Muslim world out of the depths of their own ignorance to point where they can treat their faith as Christians do...like a buffet where they can pick and choose the good parts and disregard and rationalize away the bad parts.

And don't start with your charges of Christian bashing and Muslim defending with this post. It's old and a pathetic attempt because you don't (or can't) address the substance of what I am saying.

Christianity and Islam are both absurd as far as I am concerned.

 

[gsvol]

You find it hard because you are a closed minded zealot. :crazy:

Or maybe you are just too dumb to understand the 1st Amendment. :crazy:

Wrongo again bucko, the reason is that they are ignoramouses who evidently have a terminal case of dumbassedness.

I understand the first amendment just fine and also understand that there are those with a first amendment bull dog mouth and a hummingbird ass who are afraid to put their chump change money where their loud mouth is.

because there's actually shades of differences between dealing with what goes on in your country vs somewhere else in the world

especially when your country is supposed to be based on the ideas of freedom and equality for each and every one who sets foot on its soil

Think local, vote global or is that vice versa?

Why not speak out against mistreatment of Christians anywhere in the world???

To whom should we be granting millions of immigration visas, our friends or our enemies??

There is such a thing as being aware, beware you don't neglect awareness in your pursuit of herd mentality political correctness.

I just walked through my living room and looked upon the fireplace mantle and noticed a small olive wood cross carved by a Christian Arab living in Palestine, Bethlehem to be exact.

A couple or three years ago during the Christmas season I sat with the man who carved it, a Nazerine, and listened as he told me what it was like to live as a Christian in Bethlehem.

It has been traditional that Christian shop owners display a cross in their front window and at night many Christians would display a cross with a burning candle in a window to signify their faith.

This is no more, now if one makes any sort of outward display such as this, or any other outward sign of Christianity, then their home or business will shortly be broken into and ramsacked and possibly set on fire and burnt to the gound.

Not only that, a Christian can't let their children out on the street without an adult because they will usually be set upon and beaten by muslim children.

Just be careful you aren't caught unawares yourself, even here in America these days.

As to your second paragraph, can you not learn one thing from the experiences of Germany, Sweden, Switzerland, Belgium Holland, France, Denmark, England and especially Yogoslavia among other European countries as they have followed your liberal screed??

It's amazing to me that here we are, so few generations removed from Christians killing heretics in front of their families, burning witches, and torturing scientists for speculating about the universe and you continue to harp about the mistreatment of Christians. I'm sure you would be quick to point out...even though all the sadistic church leaders in the 14th century read the teachings in from NT...that this wasn't true Christianity. Yet, at the same time, you are quick to point out the violent teachings of Islam and lump all Muslims as believing this nonsense. Islam is a problem, I fully agree with that. But the solution here is to bring the majority of the Muslim world out of the depths of their own ignorance to point where they can treat their faith as Christians do...like a buffet where they can pick and choose the good parts and disregard and rationalize away the bad parts.

The problem with your anology/anthology is about six hundred years of difference.

You speak of one sect of Christianity punishing heretics six hundred years ago but ignore the killing of nearly a million Assyrian sect Christians last century. (even then that is a drop in the bucket of the gross crimes of the votaries of islam in just the last century.)

For the record my own sect of Christianity had zero at all to do with the Roman Catholics and their Popes, ever, dating back to when Jesus walked upon the Sea of Gallilee.

Good luck with bringing the majority of the muslims out of their ignorance, you're talking impossible odds but go ahead, you bet your life.

And don't start with your charges of Christian bashing and Muslim defending with this post. It's old and a pathetic attempt because you don't (or can't) address the substance of what I am saying.

Redefine the subsance or what you are saying, maybe I missed something.

Christianity and Islam are both absurd as far as I am concerned.

Everyone understands what you have concluded but what I don't understand is that; I was under the impression that adherents to the religion of secular humanism such as yourself were all about fair play, equality, universal truths, etc etc etc.

Why will you not address the problem of the plight of Christians being grossly mistreated and persecuted by muslims??? Not only that, what about the behavior of muslims now living in western democracies who have all gone there to practice jihad in the name of islam??

 

[KB5252]

1- who the he!! Is Dr. Mengele??!

2- Read it somewhere.

3- Attack a cruise ship with special forces and murder 9 civilians... No thank you.
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Your characterization of this as a cruise ship is laughable. Have you not seen the video, can you really call it anything other than mutual combat?

 

[volfanjustin]

It's amazing to me that here we are, so few generations removed from Christians killing heretics in front of their families, burning witches, and torturing scientists for speculating about the universe and you continue to harp about the mistreatment of Christians. I'm sure you would be quick to point out...even though all the sadistic church leaders in the 14th century read the teachings in from NT...that this wasn't true Christianity. Yet, at the same time, you are quick to point out the violent teachings of Islam and lump all Muslims as believing this nonsense. Islam is a problem, I fully agree with that. But the solution here is to bring the majority of the Muslim world out of the depths of their own ignorance to point where they can treat their faith as Christians do...like a buffet where they can pick and choose the good parts and disregard and rationalize away the bad parts.

And don't start with your charges of Christian bashing and Muslim defending with this post. It's old and a pathetic attempt because you don't (or can't) address the substance of what I am saying.

Christianity and Islam are both absurd as far as I am concerned.

It is so frustrating how you and some others here have to go back hundreds of years to put out how Christians used to be. I can go back to yeaterday to show examples of how Islam is killing in the name of their "religion".

Christians today, do not kill or support the killing of people, especially in the name of Christianity. Muslims do kill and do support killing in the name of Islam, convert or be killed.