James Franklin is supposedly....

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immyaxl said:
New locker rooms, new weight rooms, 31 million dollar indoor, new turf on the field and stadium renovations seem serious to me.
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What stadium renovations are they making...not a jab, serious question.

And while these upgrades are nice, and WAY overdue, will it ever be enough to be able to keep up with the rest of the conference on a year in and year out basis.
 
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Easttnken said:
As starved for winning seasons as Vandy has been, I wouldn't expect drawing crowds to take a lot of time. Folks should be flocking to West End in droves to support a winning team.

I understand fans of other teams live there, but I would still expect them to find 40k, out of a million people, to support them, especially when tickets are relatively inexpensive.

When Tommy West was winning 8 games a year and going to bowl games at Memphis, they had larger crowds than Vandy. And, they were drawing crowds while playing a CUSA schedule, not bringing in ranked SEC teams each week.

I agree Franklin has done a decent job there, I just think the potential is limited at Vandy and he'll bolt for a school where his team is a larger part of the landscape...jmo
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I don't think the fans exist right now. The obvious problem with the low student population and alumni who don't stick around Nashville (plus how many of those even care about sports period). But also the fact that Nashville is much different than 25-30 years ago.

Back then and before, Vanderbilt would still fill up their stadium and Memorial Gym and while definitely smaller and less successful, they still had a bigger fanbase. In the 1990s when UT was most successful, the fanbase started to decline and the Predators and Titans made it much, much worse.

Combine a dying fanbase with no fans to replace them, pro sports coming to town to steal any spotlight, with a small student population, and you got a problem. Especially in this age of HDTV where even bigger fan bases see attendance drop because people would rather sit at home. It's not just Vandy football, Memorial Gym used to be a rough place to play and a lot was because the placed was packed. Now it's a joke most of the time.
 
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immyaxl said:
He's getting paid a lot where he's at. The expectations on a local and national level are low. He still doesn't have all his recruits yet and has won more games than they have in 100 years. His family loves Nashville and wants to stay. If he has a losing season he won't be fired. All that sounds pretty good in this day and age of college football.
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So you're implying that Franklin is content to stay at a place that will NEVER give him the full resources that another program can and therefore they don't expect as much out of him? I'd hate to work somewhere where my administration and "clients" are content with average to slightly above. I think the guys a pretty good coach and has done a great job I can't deny it, but i truly don't believe Vandy will ever exceed about what they are now and that's not a knock it's just the unfortunate situation they're in. They'll never completely slack on their admission requirements, which is commendable, and as you touched on the alumni base is not in Nashville and I'd imagine many of them don't care enough to provide the means necessary to fully compete. If he's ok with never having a chance at a title and truly loves the situation he's in then go for it. Every coach dreams of winning some kind of championship though.
 
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Weezer said:
I really don't care if he were to get the job or not, but seeing him recruit head-to-head with Meyer would be entertaining. They're both douchebags.
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Meyer was pizzed the first time he had to deal with Lane Kiffin... lol
 
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Vandy has improved and still cant get the top notch instate kids to come to Vandy. They are all going to UT again. At any particular time VU will never have the horses that the top 6 SEC Teams have. You guys might win 8 games and 5-6 of them will probably be terrible teams. Just like the last two years. Whats happened at Vandy under Franklin is the ceiling. thats just the reality of it.
 
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TOP said:
If his best option ends up being Louisville, he might as well stay at Vanderbilt for another year. He's being looked at by premiere programs so it seems silly to go to another school you'd use as a stepping stone when you'll get a better offer next year. Unless he wants to Lane Kiffin - Louisville, he'd have to stick it out a couple years at a mediocre program. Surely he'd stay at Vanderbilt one more year and leave the following season over going to Louisville.
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Franklin needs to jump ASAP before he is exposed. Seriously. UT, UGA, UF will begin stomping mud holes in him again next year, and piling up losing seasons at Vandy will not increase his stock.

Besides, he has no assurance a big job will come open next year. UL is his best lifeline right now.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Franklin needs to jump ASAP before he is exposed. Seriously. UT, UGA, UF will begin stomping mud holes in him again next year, and piling up losing seasons at Vandy will not increase his stock.



Besides, he has no assurance a big job will come open next year. UL is his best lifeline right now.
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Hater alert ^
 
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immyaxl said:
He's getting paid a lot where he's at. The expectations on a local and national level are low. He still doesn't have all his recruits yet and has won more games than they have in 100 years. His family loves Nashville and wants to stay. If he has a losing season he won't be fired. All that sounds pretty good in this day and age of college football.
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An "up and coming" coach has to worry about more than local expectations. To remain "up and coming" he has to keep too many losing records off of his resume. Franklin knows that he has peaked at VU, and UF, UGA, UF, and the rest of the SEC will be stomping mud holes in him very soon. He can't schedule enough patsy teams to make that look good. So, he is out soon or you have him for a very long time.
 
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Sources tell me that Franklin is gone. Vandy has a replacement lined up already and Franklin is just holding off on officially accepting the new job until Vandy crosses the t 's and dots the i's on the new coach's contract.
Now, tifwiw VN, but brace yourselves. My sources say that Vandy will be hiring Derek Dooley who will be bringing along Lane Kiffin as OC along with Monte at DC. There is also a rumor going around that Ed O will be a part of the staff.
I will keep you all updated in this fluid situation.
Soon.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I don't think the fans exist right now. The obvious problem with the low student population and alumni who don't stick around Nashville (plus how many of those even care about sports period). But also the fact that Nashville is much different than 25-30 years ago.

Back then and before, Vanderbilt would still fill up their stadium and Memorial Gym and while definitely smaller and less successful, they still had a bigger fanbase. In the 1990s when UT was most successful, the fanbase started to decline and the Predators and Titans made it much, much worse.

Combine a dying fanbase with no fans to replace them, pro sports coming to town to steal any spotlight, with a small student population, and you got a problem. Especially in this age of HDTV where even bigger fan bases see attendance drop because people would rather sit at home. It's not just Vandy football, Memorial Gym used to be a rough place to play and a lot was because the placed was packed. Now it's a joke most of the time.
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I agree about Memorial Gym...used to be a much tougher place to play, and had a pretty good atmosphere.

Your other points are good ones, but they still bring the potential "ceiling" back into question. The Titans and Preds don't appear to be going any where, HD tv isn't going away, and their student population/alumni situation probably isn't changing either. So it just makes me wonder if Vandy will ever be able to compete consistently within the conference.

On the upside, maybe the culture at Vandy will change enough that good young coaches will come there to springboard their careers (like a Tulsa for example), instead of a last resort...Dinardo being the exception. JMO
 
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ThatVolsGuy said:
Hater alert ^
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Not at all. That is the reality of the situation. Look at Franklin's recruiting as compared to UT's, UF's, UGA's and pretty much almost all of the rest of the SEC. Franklin will not continue to win in the SEC at VU when UT, UF, UGA are not down. He needs to get out before his artificially inflated stock drops.

That's not hate. That's just the way it is. Personally, I hope he stays. But I predict he will not. He will jump to any decent job offer before he is stuck at Vandy for life.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Franklin needs to jump ASAP before he is exposed. Seriously. UT, UGA, UF will begin stomping mud holes in him again next year, and piling up losing seasons at Vandy will not increase his stock.

Besides, he has no assurance a big job will come open next year. UL is his best lifeline right now.
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He has been very lucky in how the schedule and close victories have worked for him, so I agree, now would be his best opportunity.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I don't think the fans exist right now. The obvious problem with the low student population and alumni who don't stick around Nashville (plus how many of those even care about sports period). But also the fact that Nashville is much different than 25-30 years ago.

Back then and before, Vanderbilt would still fill up their stadium and Memorial Gym and while definitely smaller and less successful, they still had a bigger fanbase. In the 1990s when UT was most successful, the fanbase started to decline and the Predators and Titans made it much, much worse.

Combine a dying fanbase with no fans to replace them, pro sports coming to town to steal any spotlight, with a small student population, and you got a problem. Especially in this age of HDTV where even bigger fan bases see attendance drop because people would rather sit at home. It's not just Vandy football, Memorial Gym used to be a rough place to play and a lot was because the placed was packed. Now it's a joke most of the time.
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I don't see the correlation between the Titans and Predators coming to town and Vandy losing fans as a result. Why would a professional sports organization and particularly one that's not even the same sport erode a fan base? Clay Travis uses this argument too and says that the UT fanbase doesn't care as much as they used to, especially the Nashville area fans, because the Titans have come in and taken fans. That's one of the most retarded things I've ever heard. Most Titans fans I know are UT, UK, Bama, AU, Vandy etc fans as well because they were those fans to begin with. They didn't drop their collegiate allegiances for a pro team, they simply assimilated the pro team into their fandom portfolio.
 
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immyaxl said:
I found one it's called University of Tennessee. They had Kiffen and Dooley back to back and thought they were going to lead them back to the top. 5 straight years of the worst football in school history. They make fun of teams that make bowl games when they can't. Tell me that isn't delusional. Penn State has 2 more years of probation and scholarship restrictions. Not to mention the Joe Pa politics.
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No, it's not delusional for fans to expect championships when your team has won multiple SEC championships and national titles. What has Candy won? Not a damn thing. You act like Candy has been a title contending program when they haven't done jack sh*t in forever. Zero SEC titles in over 80 years. That's embarrassing.

Candy is still the worst coaching job in the SEC and it's not even close. Hell, Adam Schefter reported this morning that yer hero, Jimmy Frank, interviewed for the Texans job and is going to interview for the Browns and Redskins job. What does that tell you? That he wants out as soon as he can find a better job because he knows he has reached his ceiling at Vandy. And you still can draw only 30,000 fans on your best day. LMAO. Even your own fans think you're irrelevant.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
I don't see the correlation between the Titans and Predators coming to town and Vandy losing fans as a result. Why would a professional sports organization and particularly one that's not even the same sport erode a fan base? Clay Travis uses this argument too and says that the UT fanbase doesn't care as much as they used to, especially the Nashville area fans, because the Titans have come in and taken fans. That's one of the most retarded things I've ever heard. Most Titans fans I know are UT, UK, Bama, AU, Vandy etc fans as well because they were those fans to begin with. They didn't drop their collegiate allegiances for a pro team, they simply assimilated the pro team into their fandom portfolio.
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I think there's some correlation especially with the Titans. It's called expendable income. Nashville has gotten a number of transplant families in the last 15-20 years. The population is expected to grow even more in the next 10-15 years. If you're wanting to watch live football, do you pick the Titans or Vandy? It's a simple choice. If the Titans weren't around, they might pick Vandy. Right now they're picking the Titans. The Preds take some of that expendable income away too. A lot of the families that are transplants already have their own college team so that hurts them too, but there are some that end up adopting the local team. If the Titans weren't around, they might choose Vandy. Until the last 2 years, they've had no reason to though.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Not at all. That is the reality of the situation. Look at Franklin's recruiting as compared to UT's, UF's, UGA's and pretty much almost all of the rest of the SEC. Franklin will not continue to win in the SEC at VU when UT, UF, UGA are not down. He needs to get out before his artificially inflated stock drops.

That's not hate. That's just the way it is. Personally, I hope he stays. But I predict he will not. He will jump to any decent job offer before he is stuck at Vandy for life.
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It's Vanderbilt! Vandy has been and always will be at a recruiting disadvantage to the rest of the SEC.

A lot of people on here downplay Franklin's success because they're trying to look at them from a Bama, UT, UF, UGA perspective. You can't do that. It's VANDY!
 
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immyaxl said:
New locker rooms, new weight rooms, 31 million dollar indoor, new turf on the field and stadium renovations seem serious to me.
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Thanks for letting us know Candy has facilities! From the pics I saw you guys look like you practice at a high school! I am really impressed by that large capacity stadium you can never fill up! Enjoy your brief three year period of dominating lower tier schools and schools in a down period. As of 2014, it's over ...
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Boca Vol said:
It's Vanderbilt! Vandy has been and always will be at a recruiting disadvantage to the rest of the SEC.

A lot of people on here downplay Franklin's success because they're trying to look at them from a Bama, UT, UF, UGA perspective. You can't do that. It's VANDY!
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I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just saying with ANY improvement at UT, and a return by UGA/UF, Franklin will be getting his rear end kicked. His shine will dim. He needs to parlay this year into a better job.

I'm not sure how better to explain it.
 
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He needs to bolt and do it as fast as possible. Eventually his weak OOC scheduling and buying out the real games will catch up with him. We all know he got lucky with both UF and UGA being down when they played them and we nearly beat them without Butches players. So its either leave now or try to explain to other jobs why he went from 3 straight bowls, winning 8-9 games a year, to 5-7, 6-6 when he just finally got HIS players in.

Sorry but I just don't see him as a good coach. I just see him as someone that has benefited from being it the right place at the right time and then he made things even easier by weakening his schedule as much as he possibly could.
 
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Man those 3 Vandy fans will be crushed if Franklin leaves and Vandy gets back to normalcy..2-10 seasons..
 
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