Jeronne Maymon update

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pimo1 said:
You realize the NBA draft only has 2 rounds and being projected as a second rounder is a good reason not to go pro...right? It is the equivalent to being a 7th round draft pick.

Secondly an injury especially a knee injury hurts draft stock and the only place to drop from second round is Turkey.
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NBA was a brain fart but would you rather risk a career ending injury in Turkey or Tennessee?
 
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pimo1 said:
Taken in full context what you originally said is negative. The unfaltering negative campaign you have had against Martin from Day 1 is the basis of that context. Your post history is 100% negative at every turn in regards to this coach.

Calling Martins Offense handicapped is negative especially given the fact last years stats show that that is obviously less true than some might think. Maymon being hurt is what handicaps this offense because sadly he is the only consistent offensive catalyst.

The elephant in the room is we don't have players that can create their own offense outside of Golden and Maymon and Golden is lacking in the ability to create offense for others.

We need to seriously start looking hard at getting some real point guards on this team. We haven't had anyone approaching a real PG since Maze. Lacking that guys that can feed the post would be helpful too. Stokes is not a scrub but he needs someone to feed him because he cannot create on his own and the lack of someone to feed him is stunting his growth.

I truly believe CM will get it done eventually but it is going to take a few more years at best and some real luck on the recruiting trail/injuries. For some reason this school seems to get recruits that are flawed. You put them all together as a whole and they are great but one injury derails it all.

Until we get that one complete player (like Maymon) and keep healthy we will continue to have these conversations. Or better get more than one..they don't have to be all world one and done guys just guys that have well rounded skill sets because pretty much everyone we have is a one trick pony/utility player.
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If you don't think an offense that that scores 40 points or less in games is handicapped I don't know what it would take.
Martin at this point is the handicap. If you don't see it you just don't want to.
He just can't get his players to do what he preaches.
The last game was the first this season they looked like they might.
If they return to the ugly tonight, I'd say we're eternally handicapped.
 
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He has a better shot at the NBA playing next year and dominating with Stokes and Co than leaving this year going overseas. How many NBA scouts go overseas compared to going to watch a college team that already has 2-4 possible NBA caliber players on it w/ (Stokes, Hubbs, McRae, and Golden)
 
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calban said:
If you don't think an offense that that scores 40 points or less in games is handicapped I don't know what it would take.
Martin at this point is the handicap. If you don't see it you just don't want to.
He just can't get his players to do what he preaches.
The last game was the first this season they looked like they might.
If they return to the ugly tonight, I'd say we're eternally handicapped.
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While the <40 is ugly, part of that is tempo driven. UT's offense is actually reasonable from an efficiency stand point. 96th according to Kenpom. It's their tempo that is atrocious, 297th nationally according to Kenpom. That being said Georgetown (tempo 291) and UVA (last in tempo in D1 basketball at 345) both play slow so that contributes to pushing UT's tempo down.

UT didn't make shots on the road in either game. 40%/19% against Georgetown and 36%/16% against UVA. That can partly be offense but at some point guys have to make shots. No offense, no matter how well designed, is going to score points if guys don't make shots.
 
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calban said:
NBA was a brain fart but would you rather risk a career ending injury in Turkey or Tennessee?
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What does it matter? They would both be career ending, thus no money afterwards. It's not like Maymon is going to sign a long-term guarenteed contract if he goes over-seas. As a matter of fact, he would probably get better treatment if he had the injury as part of the Vols than while trying to play over-seas. Plus, if said injury did occur, he could just finish out his degree while recuperating on the Vol's dime.
 
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zansdad said:
While the <40 is ugly, part of that is tempo driven. UT's offense is actually reasonable from an efficiency stand point. 96th according to Kenpom. It's their tempo that is atrocious, 297th nationally according to Kenpom. That being said Georgetown (tempo 291) and UVA (last in tempo in D1 basketball at 345) both play slow so that contributes to pushing UT's tempo down.

UT didn't make shots on the road in either game. 40%/19% against Georgetown and 36%/16% against UVA. That can partly be offense but at some point guys have to make shots. No offense, no matter how well designed, is going to score points if guys don't make shots.
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All your points are true , but I'm not sure he has players that are content to play the slow tempo offense.
I really think they should pick it up even more than last game.
 
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zansdad said:
What does it matter? They would both be career ending, thus no money afterwards. It's not like Maymon is going to sign a long-term guarenteed contract if he goes over-seas. As a matter of fact, he would probably get better treatment if he had the injury as part of the Vols than while trying to play over-seas. Plus, if said injury did occur, he could just finish out his degree while recuperating on the Vol's dime.
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We're talking ending your career making some money as opposed to thinking about it in the future.
We could go on but might as well just wait and see.
 
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calban said:
We're talking ending your career making some money as opposed to thinking about it in the future.
We could go on but might as well just wait and see.
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He may get a one year contract with no guaranteed money over seas, what happens if he's a bust over there? He then has lost his college eligibility and will have a tough road ahead to try and find any ball team in any league willing to pay him.

Also fwiw, I do know he's very close with his family so not sure if moving overseas is appealing to him.

Like I said, this logic of why play college when you can earn money can also be applied to golden and McRae and probably others. If his main goal is to make the NBA he will return to UT next year, that's his best chance.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
He may get a one year contract with no guaranteed money over seas, what happens if he's a bust over there? He then has lost his college eligibility and will have a tough road ahead to try and find any ball team in any league willing to pay him.

Also fwiw, I do know he's very close with his family so not sure if moving overseas is appealing to him.

Like I said, this logic of why play college when you can earn money can also be applied to golden and McRae and probably others. If his main goal is to make the NBA he will return to UT next year, that's his best chance.
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Circumstances are quite different for Golden and McRae. They're JRs.
You think either will stay for their Masters after they graduate?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Can you not say that about about several others on the team as well? Golden & McRae especially?
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It could, but Golden nor McRae aren't even on a radar of pro potential.

It's been clear that Maymon's plan has been to go pro all along - that's why he transferred to UT. And he has some scout recognition with potential.
 
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calban said:
All your points are true , but I'm not sure he has players that are content to play the slow tempo offense.
I really think they should pick it up even more than last game.
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On this we agree. What killed me the most in the 2 sub 40 games was Golden walking it up almost every time. If you're already struggling to score in your offense, why waste almost 10 seconds just getting into the front court. I don't really know who to blame there, but I wish it would stop.(and it did for the most part vs WSU) Unless there is pressure, there is no reason for it to take longer than 3-4 seconds to get the ball across mid-court.
 
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calban said:
Circumstances are quite different for Golden and McRae. They're JRs.
You think either will stay for their Masters after they graduate?
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Probably not, but then again do we know for a fact Maymon is on track to even graduate this year?

I just see very little chance he leaves after playing 0 games this year, I'd put that at <5%. Think about how many guys have endured injuries and use a redshirt; how many did Hummel use?
 
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UT IE 95 said:
It could, but Golden nor McRae aren't even on a radar of pro potential.

It's been clear that Maymon's plan has been to go pro all along - that's why he transferred to UT. And he has some scout recognition with potential.
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I'd say golden is on about the same radar as Maymon now is, he was listed as late 2nd to undrafted, I've seen golden in the past mentioned the same.

So you also see stokes leaving then I assume?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I'd say golden is on about the same radar as Maymon now is, he was listed as late 2nd to undrafted, I've seen golden in the past mentioned the same.

So you also see stokes leaving then I assume?
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If he's a lottery pick it should be an automatic decision. Otherwise, he's three years younger than Maymon so it's a completely different situation.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
If he's a lottery pick it should be an automatic decision. Otherwise, he's three years younger than Maymon so it's a completely different situation.
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So you don't think Maymon increases his chances of playing in the NBA by returning next year versus going to Europe next year?
 
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Did anyone else notice that during the first half of last nights broadcast, 1 of the 2 TV guys (Anderson is his name I think) said that Maymon probably wouldn't be back this season? I just thought it was interesting how casually the guy threw it out there. I wonder if he has some real inside info or was just speculating. I haven't seen anyone else comment on it, so I also wonder if maybe I was hallucinating. :loco::loco:
 
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zansdad said:
Did anyone else notice that during the first half of last nights broadcast, 1 of the 2 TV guys (Anderson is his name I think) said that Maymon probably wouldn't be back this season? I just thought it was interesting how casually the guy threw it out there. I wonder if he has some real inside info or was just speculating. I haven't seen anyone else comment on it, so I also wonder if maybe I was hallucinating. :loco::loco:
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I haven't heard since late Nov. about any expected timeline for Maymon's return. At that time the only info that we were hearing was late Dec. Everything I've heard since then is that he's probably not coming back. So, in other words, the word is out that he probably will not be back this season. We are hearing it more and more from the beat writers / bloggers, radio sports shows, and now tv. I just think it is starting to become common knowledge.
 
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zansdad said:
Did anyone else notice that during the first half of last nights broadcast, 1 of the 2 TV guys (Anderson is his name I think) said that Maymon probably wouldn't be back this season? I just thought it was interesting how casually the guy threw it out there. I wonder if he has some real inside info or was just speculating. I haven't seen anyone else comment on it, so I also wonder if maybe I was hallucinating. :loco::loco:
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Yes he said that, but that's also the same guy that mistakes Josh for Yemi on a mid range jumper haha.

Quinn commented about Maymon the other day, said its the weirdest basketball incident he's covered in 8 years. Also said there are multiple issues that are really keeping things from being made public. Someone asked if he had done something or was In trouble, Quinn said all issues are injury related.

Now, completely my speculation and just snow balling...did Maymon maybe catch something that could be embarrassing to release details of? I mean I don't even know what that'd be, I'm no doctor, but something maybe he could've contacted via sex or drugs? Once again just snowballing, because something is off here, if it was as simple as an infection from surgery I believe it'd have been made public. Isn't staff kind of a sticky or weird situation, maybe that's it and then don't want details getting out, once again just snowballing here.
 
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