Jimmy Carter Appreciation Thread

[Jxn Vol]

I Love Jimmy Carter’s Nuts

FYP

 

[lawgator1]

I chose to say interest rates. But I could have commented on gas shortages. Take your pick.

Big difference

 

[Jxn Vol]

Big difference

At least Regan came in and helped lower the cost of Carter’s peanuts.

 

[lawgator1]

At least Regan came in and helped lower the cost of Carter’s peanuts.

Pointless remark by you. Its annoying when people pretend that Presidents have a whole lot to do with interest rates. At best their influence is short term. Add to that the oil embargo and prices more than tripling in a short time and its just not accurate to lay that at the feet of Carter.

 

[Orangeburst]

Carter was a good humanitarian, but his psyche led the nation to feel defeated. Took 1 day for Reagan and the Iranian hostages were released, He made us feel proud to be American again. It was palpable.

 

[Orangeburst]

Kinda of like it is today. American sucks and must be transformed.

 

[Jxn Vol]

Pointless remark by you. Its annoying when people pretend that Presidents have a whole lot to do with interest rates. At best their influence is short term. Add to that the oil embargo and prices more than tripling in a short time and its just not accurate to lay that at the feet of Carter.

Keystone pipeline says hello.

Oh and most of your remarks are pointless.

 

[Sea Ray]

Many people don't realize that Jimmy Cater, through his Carter Center, was a big supporter of Hugo Chavez, the socialist dictator that screwed up Venezuela. Here's on excerpt of their great respect for Chavez:

Chavez Legacy an Incomplete Revolution

 

[luthervol]

Carter was a good humanitarian, but his psyche led the nation to feel defeated. Took 1 day for Reagan and the Iranian hostages were released, He made us feel proud to be American again. It was palpable.

I had the exact opposite reaction to the two.........as did many.

 

[Pennheel]

Regarding the Iran hostage situation, Carter did a lot of negotiating with Iran to get them back (finally did) ,but not everything went so smoothly. This isn't a slight on Reagan, but for the criticism of Carter,that is one thing he accomplished.

 

[Ratvol]

Jimmy Carter gave so much to the USA:

Billy Beer
a goofy brother
gas lines
high interest rates
boycotting Olympics.

never cared for the man. Never will.
I will pray for his soul though.
Thanks Jimmy
RIP

Go VOLS

 

[Orangeburst]

Regarding the Iran hostage situation, Carter did a lot of negotiating with Iran to get them back (finally did) ,but not everything went so smoothly. This isn't a slight on Reagan, but for the criticism of Carter,that is one thing he accomplished.

Sure thing font.

America got its mojo back after he lost

Guess who was the first Senator to endorse JC in his candidacy?

 

[TNVOLNAVY]

This book reveals a man who has been given a dangerously free pass by historians, but who in reality is not only a failed ex-president, but as vindictive as he is egotitical, and a self-righteous busybody who leaves diaster in his wake.

 

[Pennheel]

Sure thing font.

America got its mojo back after he lost

Guess who was the first Senator to endorse JC in his candidacy?

Not arguing "getting it's mojo back" at all. The country indeed did bounce back in the 80's. Just what he did regarding Iran. To answer your question,Biden. Yeah, can't say that I'm a fan of the guy ,and didn't vote for him. Just shows how long he's been around as a politician.

 

[clarksvol00]

This book reveals a man who has been given a dangerously free pass by historians, but who in reality is not only a failed ex-president, but as vindictive as he is egotitical, and a self-righteous busybody who leaves diaster in his wake.



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"Egotitical?"

 

[luthervol]

This book reveals a man who has been given a dangerously free pass by historians, but who in reality is not only a failed ex-president, but as vindictive as he is egotitical, and a self-righteous busybody who leaves diaster in his wake.



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An unfavorable book? wow......
What historical figure hasn't had an unfavorable book written about them?
You might want to look at the ration of favorable to unfavorable for a deeper understanding.

Your dislike of Carter says more about you than you realize.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

 

[05_never_again]

Can someone explain to me why presidents and kings and queens seem to live to be nearly a hundred years old, while us surfs seem to have an average life span closer to 75? Carter still alive in his upper 90's, Gerald Ford 90's, Reagan 90's, Bush Sr 90's, all other presidents since them still alive, QE upper 90's, price Phillip upper 90's.
There is something the medical community has that they won't share with the rest of us that keeps these people alive longer than 99% of the people they were born with.

Good medical care, and the ones who have lived for a very long time seem to have all been people who have taken good care of themselves. None of the names you mentioned were heavy smokers or drinkers, and none of them appeared to be overweight at any point in their lives. Reagan smoked, but quit early in life.

There have also been multiple presidents who were in poor health and/or didn't live all that long. FDR was in poor health for years and died at 63. Eisenhower was a chain smoker earlier in his life and died at 78, which was above average for the time but not an exceptionally long life. JFK was in poor health. LBJ was an infamous chain smoker, had multiple heart attacks, and died at 64. Nixon had an average lifespan (81).

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Average current lifespan for men today is 76.4 years.

John Adams was born in 1735 when medical treatments included purging, sweating, bleeding, blistering, and vomiting.

Purgatives, emetics, opium, cinchona bark, camphor, potassium nitrate and mercury were the most widely used drugs.

 

[05_never_again]

Average current lifespan for men today is 76.4 years.

John Adams was born in 1735 when medical treatments included purging, sweating, bleeding, blistering, and vomiting.

Purgatives, emetics, opium, cinchona bark, camphor, potassium nitrate and mercury were the most widely used drugs.

A huge reason for the low life expectancies in those days was high infant/child mortality. If a person made it through early childhood, they actually had a chance of making to their 70/80s in similar rates that a child does today.

A group of 10 people who died at 78, 85, 70, 78, 85, 70, 78, 85, 83, and 90 had an average age of 80.

A group of 10 people who died at age 1, 2, 3, 78, 85, 70, 78, 85, 83, and 90 had an average age of 58. While statistically true, it's kind of misleading because it isn't like many people got to their late 50s then dropped dead.

 

[Sea Ray]

A huge reason for the low life expectancies in those days was high infant/child mortality. If a person made it through early childhood, they actually had a chance of making to their 70/80s in similar rates that a child does today.

A group of 10 people who died at 78, 85, 70, 78, 85, 70, 78, 85, 83, and 90 had an average age of 80.

A group of 10 people who died at age 1, 2, 3, 78, 85, 70, 78, 85, 83, and 90 had an average age of 58. While statistically true, it's kind of misleading because it isn't like many people got to their late 50s then dropped dead.

That's part of it but it's far more than that. FDR had to live with progressing chest pains until he dropped dead. Today they'd do a stent and carry on. Today tons of people today get breast or prostate cancer but few die of it. Then there's the huge one: antibiotics.

 

[05_never_again]

That's part of it but it's far more than that. FDR had to live with progressing chest pains until he dropped dead. Today they'd do a stent and carry on. Today tons of people today get breast or prostate cancer but few die of it. Then there's the huge one: antibiotics.

Yes, the better medical care today definitely is a component. But purely from a statistical perspective there used to be there were tons of newborns, 2 month olds, 2 year olds, etc. who died, to the point where if a woman had 3+ kids it was kind of assumed that at least one of them wouldn't make it. It actually wasn't all that uncommon at all for people to live into their 70s a few hundred years ago, provided they made it out of early childhood.

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

I appreciate he can't be president again.

1) He gave away the Panama Canal that is now in the hands of China.
2) His middle eastern policy was so bad he deserves to be considered a founding father of middle eastern terrorism, and radical Islam which he co-opted with his policies. His policies created both the radical Iranian regime, and the invasion of Afghanistan that would spawn the Taliban, and the Iran Iraq war that followed. Imagine a world where these events had not happened. This can not be highlighted enough, millions of people have died and suffered because of his poor choices.
3) Tanked the economy which has never fully recovered.
4) Arguably torpedoed Detroit, and gave foreign competitors all they needed to grab market share. (though I will give that the larger portion of the blame is on the unions)
5) Certainly the worst energy policy in the nations history until recently. Across the board to Oil, Coal, Nuclear etc. Disaster after disaster.
6) Salt II which absolutely was a green light for Soviet aggression around the world, and agreements that likely were never honored by our enemies, and the beginning the downward spiral of geopolitics, and American dominance.
7) Dept of Education....which has destroyed various state systems around the country. Look at tests results now compared to before, and argue it's benefits. Like always DC sees a problem from bureaucracy and it's answer to to create more bureaucracy. Same goes for Bush's DHS. It is also via this and teh increased power of teh NEA that radicalization of both public schools and universities started to really push forward, now that public funds could be used to support more corruption that private funds never would have stood for.

I dunno I could go on and on. He'd be the worst President in History, but Obama...

 

[Sea Ray]

Yes, the better medical care today definitely is a component. But purely from a statistical perspective there used to be there were tons of newborns, 2 month olds, 2 year olds, etc. who died, to the point where if a woman had 3+ kids it was kind of assumed that at least one of them wouldn't make it. It actually wasn't all that uncommon at all for people to live into their 70s a few hundred years ago, provided they made it out of early childhood.

Definitely. My parents probably would've made it into their 70s back in the day but no way they'd make it to their late 80s like they are now. They've had stents, pacemakers, drugs for out of control type 2 diabetes etc. Of course that brings in other issues and what to do with the elderly and all

 

[GroverCleveland]

A friend of mine was Secret Service in the White House for Carter. Until then, he had been a staunch Democrat. He says Jimmy Carter made him a Republican.