Josh Dobbs about to have the Opportunity of his NFL Career

[Sudden Impact]

I agree. Also, I felt the receiver should have caught the pass in the end zone that was dropped . Good coverage, but he could have held on I feel.

If he had a Florida uniform on it would have been a TD

 

[LAVol1]

I’d say 2 was more let’s run Henry again. Surely it’ll work this time and then 3 the short pass or Dobbs running for his life.

Couldn't understand why they didn't run play-action on first down. Also didn't understand why they ran to the left on most plays, where more often than not, Henry lost yardage. His best runs were to the right. Really bad play calling and really bad OL.

 

[turbovol]

At the end of the day, did Dobbs take advantage of his opportunity? I'd have to say, sadly, he probably didn't do enough...

 

[first time caller]

Would hate for Henry to go....But if they are going to do it they better do it. He is heading towards 30 and he has been rode hard. Since his ankle injury he's lost a step or two. This season I saw him run down a few times when that wouldn't have never happened before. I hope the Titans keep him.

That one stiff arm he gave that one dude last night was epic.

 

[kcvols1]

At the end of the day, did Dobbs take advantage of his opportunity? I'd have to say, sadly, he probably didn't do enough...

He did SO great for the most part, but overall I’m inclined to agree that this is the takeaway.

 

[Volador]

Thought Josh did an outstanding job - very proud of him and he sure outclassed Lawrence!

 

[VFL-82-JP]

ONE THING. Was the arm going forward? That's the gold standard in such calls. Very Subjective. Period. (and I bet on Jack)

Assuming the QB is the only person touching the ball when it flies free, there's a super simple rule the refs could follow in such cases. And I've always wondered how it can possibly be that they have never figured this out. It's actually not at all subjective.

It is simple physics. Specifically, Newton's laws of motion ("an object at rest remains at rest unless...")

If the ball falls forward (going forward from the QB's arm in the direction of play), the QB's hand was unequivocally moving forward when the ball was released. There is simply no other motive force that could make the ball go forward.

And if the QB's hand was moving forward, it should be called a forward pass. Every time.

No matter who is playing, and whether it helps my team or not, it always disturbs me when referees so blatantly ignore some of the most basic laws of physics, rules they probably learned in junior high or early high school.

 

[happy-go_vol]

At the end of the day, did Dobbs take advantage of his opportunity? I'd have to say, sadly, he probably didn't do enough...

I think did better that Willis would have. Dobbs is more than serviceable as a back up

 

[TheVolsFrog]

Couldn't understand why they didn't run play-action on first down. Also didn't understand why they ran to the left on most plays, where more often than not, Henry lost yardage. His best runs were to the right. Really bad play calling and really bad OL.

Watching that game last night was maddening, how do you keep running Henry on first and not go with some play actions...Then when they ran Henry to the left, he would pause and lose yards...

 

[papatomany]

I’m familiar with football; so much that I know they reviewed it and confirmed the call on the field.

So unless you can provide some credentials that overrides the people paid for it, other than your conspiracy theory rigged BS, then kindly ride off on the high horse you rode in on.

Because they NEVER get one wrong after reviewing it.

 

[loservol]

Because they NEVER get one wrong after reviewing it.

Ever since the Tuck Rule, I find it hard to believe people can't see the game is sometimes rigged up to produce outcomes that benefit the league.

 

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[tdd]

Sorry to say…..Dobbs has played his last game in the NFL. He just didn’t do enough last night to warrant another opportunity. He should use his mind in the private sector and make his mark. I was wishing for more but he didn’t make enough plays and he had no help from his teammates.

 

[benholt06]

Assuming the QB is the only person touching the ball when it flies free, there's a super simple rule the refs could follow in such cases. And I've always wondered how it can possibly be that they have never figured this out. It's actually not at all subjective.

It is simple physics. Specifically, Newton's laws of motion ("an object at rest remains at rest unless...")

If the ball falls forward (going forward from the QB's arm in the direction of play), the QB's hand was unequivocally moving forward when the ball was released. There is simply no other motive force that could make the ball go forward.

And if the QB's hand was moving forward, it should be called a forward pass. Every time.

No matter who is playing, and whether it helps my team or not, it always disturbs me when referees so blatantly ignore some of the most basic laws of physics, rules they probably learned in junior high or early high school.

I would say just because it moves forward doesn’t mean it’s an incomplete pass. Momentum from the hit could’ve caused that.

However in the game last night the ball ended up 3-4 yards past the LOS. I’ve debated this ad nauseum with a friend, and I keep coming up with his arm was moving forward and that’s an incompletion.

 

[Volunteer_Kirby]

Ever since the Tuck Rule, I find it hard to believe people can't see the game is sometimes rigged up to produce outcomes that benefit the league.

I know a guy who operates a parabolic mic for NFL & P5 games. Youd be a fool to think there isnt widespread corruption amongst the refs.

 

[papatomany]

Assuming the QB is the only person touching the ball when it flies free, there's a super simple rule the refs could follow in such cases. And I've always wondered how it can possibly be that they have never figured this out. It's actually not at all subjective.

It is simple physics. Specifically, Newton's laws of motion ("an object at rest remains at rest unless...")

If the ball falls forward (going forward from the QB's arm in the direction of play), the QB's hand was unequivocally moving forward when the ball was released. There is simply no other motive force that could make the ball go forward.

And if the QB's hand was moving forward, it should be called a forward pass. Every time.

No matter who is playing, and whether it helps my team or not, it always disturbs me when referees so blatantly ignore some of the most basic laws of physics, rules they probably learned in junior high or early high school.

I agree with you that this is what SHOULD be.

As for what they actually are looking at: it seems completely arbitrary. Listening to our "expert" ex-ref members of the broadcast team, it's easy to tell that even they don't know the specifics of the rules in many many cases. Seemed pretty clear that the ball started to come loose from the guy tapping his forearm, but it seemed just as clear that Dobbs' motion made the ball fly forward. I'm with you on what the rule should be, but I don't know what the rule is (and, clearly, nobody else on here really does either) or, more importantly, what the consensus administration of the rule is. Seems to be too vague to cover a situation like this. It's a fumble because he lost control at some point? Doesn't seem likely. What if the ball slipped out, but the QB grabbed it back, then threw it. That would definitely be a pass. So, then the question becomes "control". Did Josh control it enough to toss it forward? Sure seemed like it.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

It was a pass. Dobbs arm was moving forward when defender hit his bicep. That force caused the ball to be released from his hand. The ball propelled forward solely from the motion of Dobbs forward moving arm. The defender did not hit the ball to propel it forward. It could only be a forward pass and nothing else as the forward arm motion was the sole cause of the significant forward travel of the ball.

The defender hit Dobbs HARD in the back and arm. That's what made the ball go forward. Was he about to throw? Yeah. He's RAISING the ball to throw. That's not forward.

The upward motion and getting hit in the back makes the ball pop up and forward. It's a fumble. Watch again, the ball is coming up, not forward, when he gets hit.

 

[VolArmy74]

People who think Dobbs didn't do enough to keep playing in the NFL last night, apparently don't watch much NFL.

The Titans stink at WR, their OL is atrocious and Dobbs didn't stick out like a sore thumb as being particularly bad, which is the unfortunate standard in the NFL these days for many franchises. There are guys starting all over the NFL who have very similar weeks all the time. He may never be a full time starter but Baker Mayfield has thrown for 111 and 132 yards in two of his last three starts and he keeps getting trotted out by multiple franchises.

That said, my fantasy football league is in it's finals and the idiotic manager of the league made it a two week final so we are still playing, and my opponent had the Jacksonville defense. That fumble return TD was not something that pleased me at all. Glory and 2000 dollars are on the line here! That said, it was a fumble, the ball came lose and he basically batted it forward.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

I would say just because it moves forward doesn’t mean it’s an incomplete pass. Momentum from the hit could’ve caused that.

However in the game last night the ball ended up 3-4 yards past the LOS. I’ve debated this ad nauseum with a friend, and I keep coming up with his arm was moving forward and that’s an incompletion.

Even an impact might frequently not cause a player's hand to move forward.

First, the defensive player has to be hitting the QB from behind--if he hits the QB from in front or either side, all the momentum is going to be backward, or sideways, so would not contribute to the player's hand going forward.

And second, a hand sits at the end of an arm, which has three significant pivot points (wrist, elbow, shoulder), all acting as buffers between the physics that is happening to the body and the physics that is happening to the hand. Those three joints keep any sudden change to the motion of the body from immediately changing the motion of the hand.

Having said all that, does this even matter? If the QB's hand was going forward when he released the ball, for WHATEVER combination of reasons including being tackled, should he not still be given the benefit of the doubt?

Because otherwise you're trying to read a person's mind: did the QB release the ball with the intent to pass it downfield, AT THAT INSTANT in time?

Impossible to read minds. And we don't need to read minds. We just need to apply simple physics.


p.s. I'm not saying the call was wrong last night. As @papatomany points out, the rule is apparently way more complex than just physics. So I'm not really arguing last night's call. I'm arguing that the rule SHOULD be as simple as I'm describing. The sport would be better if it were. Referees should push for the rule to be this simple, because then they have something clear to hang their hat on. Fans should want it for the same reason.

 

[A.J.]

Sorry to say…..Dobbs has played his last game in the NFL. He just didn’t do enough last night to warrant another opportunity. He should use his mind in the private sector and make his mark. I was wishing for more but he didn’t make enough plays and he had no help from his teammates.

I would have liked to seen how he would have done if he’d been given longer than two weeks with the team, and the OL wasn’t so decimated by injuries. He had them in both games he started. I don’t watch the NFL very much, but from what I’ve seen in bits and pieces of games I’ve seen this year, he’s as good as if not better than alot of the backups in the league that have been playing the last few weeks. If that is his last opportunity, I’m glad he at least got to be a starter for a couple games. Hopefully he will pop back up somewhere next season.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

I would have liked to seen how he would have done if he’d been given longer than two weeks with the team, and the OL wasn’t so decimated by injuries. He had them in both games he started. I don’t watch the NFL very much, but from what I’ve seen in bits and pieces of games I’ve seen this year, he’s as good as if not better than alot of the backups in the league that have been playing the last few weeks. If that is his last opportunity, I’m glad he at least got to be a starter for a couple games. Hopefully he will pop back up somewhere next season.

I also think he showed great command of the offense, poise in the pocket (most of the time), accuracy with his arm, and courage/willingness to take chances for the team by using his legs. He looked very, very good for a "practice squad" quarterback...which is what the announcers insisted on calling him in the early game. They became admirers as the game went on, in spite of the fact that Josh's performance cut across the grain of their prepared storyline ("#1 pick coming into his own, showing out in comparison to the desperation QB choice of the other team").

Josh may never be a Johnny Unitas, Joe Montana, Peyton Manning, or Tom Brady. He will forever be an NFL QB, though. And hell, if all else fails he can go design aircraft. None of those other fellas can do that.

Go Vols!

 

[BearCat204]

Two Words: Fixed Game.

Refs on the take or NFL directed.

Holding Holding Holding. Interference Call --- Several Missed calls.

Curious, why would the NFL direct officiating to result in the Jaguars winning?

 

[volfeeva]

The Titans seem to come out of the gates gang busters and just lose the drive by mid season. Losing that many games in a row after starting off so good, you have to look at the coaching. Every team has injured players throughout the season. You deal with it ---get more players. The week they started the rookie qb against the Texans instead of playing Dobbs, told me the coaching has given up on the season.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I know a guy who operates a parabolic mic for NFL & P5 games. Youd be a fool to think there isnt widespread corruption amongst the refs.

Sure, the refs of the NFL and NCAA are going to rig games in such a way that an hourly schmoo can provide audio evidence of it. And it's never exposed! It's a miracle!

I believe that all day. Doesn't everyone?

 

[CAJVol]

It was obviously a pass. Silly to argue otherwise. I hate to think the league “fixed” the outcome, but the extremely quick review and refusal to overturn the missed call points to that conclusion. Motive? Simple. The Jags have an up and coming young quarterback and at least appear to be a team on the rise. A great, fresh story for the postseason. The Titans have endured a ton of injuries, lack star power (apart from Henry) and are clearly in a decline phase headed toward a total rebuild. Aikman and Buck might as well have explained all this to the viewing audience - it was clear enough from what they did say.