Jump Bama or not

[Vols1313]

Who is the best team that Alabama has beaten in 2022?

* Not including Austin Peay, because they are an FCS team.

Three Teams Who Finished 8-4
Texas (8-4)
Mississippi State (8-4)
Ole Miss (8-4)

Two Teams Who Finished 6-6
Utah State (6-6)
Arkansas (6-6)

Three Teams Who Finished 5-7
Vanderbilt (5-7)
Texas A&M (5-7)
Auburn (5-7)

One Team That Finished 4-8
Louisiana Monroe (4-8)

They lost to the 2 best teams that they played. They beat absolutely no one.

This guy gets it

 

[jaguinn5]

Their best argument is two “good losses” our best argument is 2 good wins one of which includes beating them and their other good loss we manhandled

All im saying is that if the committee compares our quality wins and losses, we both have quality wins and we have WAY worse losses.

 

[90 Vol]

There’s literally no justification for Bama being ranked ahead of the Vols. Both teams are 10-2 and we beat Bama head to head. Why is this confusing?

 

[Vols1313]

All im saying is that if the committee compares our quality wins and losses, we both have quality wins and we have WAY worse losses.

I wouldn’t say way worse personally I do agree the committee won’t look favorably but I bet ya if we switched resumes they’d still be singing bamas praises , who has Bama beaten ?

 

[jaguinn5]

The head-to-head result should be the tie-breaker when comparing two teams who have the same overall record, and the same conference record, with a similar strength of schedule. Comparing losses is unnecessary when there is a head-to-head matchup to consider. So what, that it could have gone either way? Tennessee should be ranked ahead of Alabama. PERIOD.

Having said that, I don't think it will matter much. Georgia, Michigan, TCU and USC should all win this Saturday and that's your College Football Playoff 1-4. Tennessee should get an invite to the Orange Bowl ... and if that is how it does play out, we should all feel a lot better about the loss to South Carolina. It will not have ended up costing us the CFP #4 ranking. USC would have jumped us, even if we had blown out South Carolina. USC as the 12-1 Pac 10 Champion, was never going to be left out of the CFP. Not a chance.

You aren't wrong about us having the head to head, but that game could've easily gone either way. Both of their losses were incredibly close against quality opponents. Both of our losses weren't close, and one of them was to a bad South Carolina team, and don't forget that it was historically, embarrassingly bad.

When the committee compares us, they will factor in those losses and bama will be ahead of us. We don't have a compelling enough resume when our only argument is beating them on a last second field goal at home.

 

[jaguinn5]

I wouldn’t say way worse personally I do agree the committee won’t look favorably but I bet ya if we switched resumes they’d still be singing bamas praises , who has Bama beaten ?

If bama had lost handily to UGA and got curb stomped by USCe, they would be on the outside looking in just like we are.

Both of their losses were last second, very close losses to top 10 teams.

Both of our losses were not close, and one was historically bad.

 

[BowlBrother85]

You aren't wrong about us having the head to head, but that game could've easily gone either way. Both of their losses were incredibly close against quality opponents. Both of our losses weren't close, and one of them was to a bad South Carolina team, and don't forget that it was historically, embarrassingly bad.

When the committee compares us, they will factor in those losses and bama will be ahead of us. We don't have a compelling enough resume when our only argument is beating them on a last second field goal at home.

That is silly logic.

So what that it was close, that doesn't change the fact that Tennessee won head-to-head.

Alabama's home win over 5-7 Texas A&M could have gone either way.

Name a quality opponent that Alabama beat this season ... I can name a quality opponent that Tennessee beat - LSU 40-13 in Baton Rouge.

 

[Vols1313]

If bama had lost handily to UGA and got curb stomped by USCe, they would be on the outside looking in just like we are.

Both of their losses were last second, very close losses to top 10 teams.

Both of our losses were not close, and one was historically bad.

If if if luckily they don’t have to play Ga they didn’t beat a team with more than 8 wins all year fact , if we are gonna count barely winning let’s also look at Texas and Texas A and M for them as well. You make a great Bama fan though I’ll give ya that

 

[BowlBrother85]

If bama had lost handily to UGA and got curb stomped by USCe, they would be on the outside looking in just like we are.

Both of their losses were last second, very close losses to top 10 teams.

Both of our losses were not close, and one was historically bad.

Name a quality opponent that Alabama has beaten in 2022. Just one. You aren't making any sense.

 

[Vols1313]

That is silly logic.

So what that it was close, that doesn't change the fact that Tennessee won head-to-head.

Alabama's home win over 5-7 Texas A&M could have gone either way.

Name a quality opponent that Alabama beat this season ... I can name a quality opponent that Tennessee beat - LSU 40-13 in Baton Rouge.

This guy gets it

 

[BowlBrother85]

Both of our losses weren't close, and one of them was to a bad South Carolina team, and don't forget that it was historically, embarrassingly bad.

... and that bad South Carolina team was good enough to beat Clemson on the road yesterday.

The head-to-head matchup is more important than of the bull crap you are talking about ... and I'm still waiting for you to tell us who was the quality opponent that Alabama beat in 2022? They lost to the only two teams they played who finished with more than 8 wins.

 

[jaguinn5]

If if if luckily they don’t have to play Ga they didn’t beat a team with more than 8 wins all year fact , if we are gonna count barely winning let’s also look at Texas and Texas A and M for them as well. You make a great Bama fan though I’ll give ya that

Lol. Look neither of us are on the committee. I'm just saying that I can see how thry got there. This is 100% on us. All we had to do was beat USCe and none of this would even matter.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Lol. Look neither of us are on the committee. I'm just saying that I can see how thry got there. This is 100% on us. All we had to do was beat USCe and none of this would even matter.

I can't. Alabama lost to the only two good teams that they have played in 2022.

 

[Vols1313]

Lol. Look neither of us are on the committee. I'm just saying that I can see how thry got there. This is 100% on us. All we had to do was beat USCe and none of this would even matter.

I don’t disagree with that , I’m just saying SC isn’t garbage they’re now 20th in AP and beat the beloved Clemson , if you’re going to look at one Side to say TN got beat bad by SC I think you have to also take a step back and say well TN beat LSU worse than they lost to SC at LSU a team that also beat Bama .

 

[VolArmy74]

There's no justification of it. None. I'd be embarrassed to call myself a Tennessee fan and argue why Alabama is better than us, when we beat them a few weeks ago.

 

[Vols1313]

All im saying is that if the committee compares our quality wins and losses, we both have quality wins and we have WAY worse losses.

They haven’t beaten a team with more than 8 wins and their loss is to us and to a team we blew out , beat them worse than we lost to SC

 

[West Vol]

We beat Bama...with Hooker. If you think we'd beat the Tide with Milton it's fine to say we should be ahead of Bama.

If you think we'd lose to Bama with Milton then there's probably no reason to go through the other components, e.g., bad loss to South Carolina.

It’s my understanding that their job is to look at resumes and not predict who will win. Hooker being out should have no bearing on a decision.

 

[615vols]

Alabama should not be ranked ahead of Tennessee for the reasons already mentioned.
1.) Both teams have 2 losses
2.) Tennessee beat Alabama head to head
3.) Common opponents. Both played Lsu, we won handily and they lost.
4.) quality of wins. Our best wins are better than theirs.
You cannot deny any of these facts. Putting them ahead of us is illogical. With that said, we all know it’s going to happen.

 

[Rocky Top T]

I hate the Gumps!!! But they should be ranked above us! Thanks to the defense against SC!

 

[VolCalls]

No, because Hendon Hooker is no longer our QB, and the team that will compete in the postseason will not be the same team that took the field during the regular season. Spin it any way you like, but this is no different from a potential #1 seed in the NCAA Tournament losing a key player to a season-ending injury in early March and dropping to a #2 seed.

 

[OrangeBloodinTN]

Alabama's two losses occurred on the last play of the games, Tennessee's two losses occurred in the first quarter, they were outplayed significantly in both losses, the committee looks at peculiar aspects of the individual games involving the teams being rated and placed by the CFP organization, the CFP committee's revenue and decisions will be driven by television, ratings and sponsors, not so much by ticket sales or which teams travel well (at the top tiers, for CFP purposes and attracting bystanders, they all do)

Besides the Vols, Bama didn’t have to play any team remotely close in quality to the defending national champs in a regular season game.

 

[pimo1]

Seriously bro, you are subjectively saying Auburn is better than Vanderbilt

Yes... If you disagree speak it. Make your case I made mine. Vandy acted a fool first 2 games of the season then reality set in. Their win on Hawaii looked real good till it became clear Hawaii sucks. Everyone spanked that butt. Hawaii was the one that likes being spanked. Auburn had a bad coaching situation. If Auburn had Vandys coaching they are easily in a bowl. If Vandy had Auburns staff beginning of season they are looking at 3-4 close wins on their record. Auburn is a better team that's underperformed. Are they night and day? Nope but right now Vandy has a really good head coach and the talent level you'd expect from a high level private school. Their problem is they play in the SEC. A private school will at best compete at a mid level in the SEC. The rules are too tough and stacked against them. Clark Lea is a good coach.

Vandy has been a breeding ground for good coaches because a 7-8 win season there is a big deal. It takes a lot. Auburn is a different story. There is a chance any given season with the right staff they can be top 10. That will NEVER be a thing at Vandy until things change in college football majorly. So if Vandy and Auburn played this year who would win? You have an argument for sure. But Auburn is a better program period. Vandy is used to losing Auburn is not. Auburn is a historically high mid pack team. Vandy is Vandy.

I have always made the argument that if u took (football) Vandy, Kentucky, USCjr, Miss State out of the SEC and changed nothing else they'd be at worst mid pack in any other conference. Don't disrespect the SEC by comparing a bad team in the SEC with a bad one in any conference outside the big10 in football.

That being said it's not even the biggest point. The main point that started this discourse is this. We have 2 losses so does Bama. Their 2 losses are less bad than ours. Trust me I don't wanna admit it but, UGA and USCe spanked us. Bama lost both it's literally on the last play. They were in it and we beat them because of at least 60% Neyland and another 10% anger of losing for so long. UT has played out of its mind all season and let us down twice. F all this on September 1 if I told you we'd have 10 wins and beat Bama and FL and not lose to Vandy you woulda been beyong hell yeah. The 2 games we can't lose are Vandy and UK the ones we need are Bama, UF and UGA. As fans that's your heart. You're just mad we didn't do the ridiculous and do it all this year.

The only thing I regret from this year as a VOL fan is Hookers acl tear. I'm good with whatever else happens this year. If you can't respect that whatever but I'm glad to be 2 years ahead.

 

[Vanhalo]

I hate the Gumps!!! But they should be ranked above us! Thanks to the defense against SC!

To me the loss of Hooker is a bigger reason than the score.

 

[VolPack22]

Yes... If you disagree speak it. Make your case I made mine. Vandy acted a fool first 2 games of the season then reality set in. Their win on Hawaii looked real good till it became clear Hawaii sucks. Everyone spanked that butt. Hawaii was the one that likes being spanked. Auburn had a bad coaching situation. If Auburn had Vandys coaching they are easily in a bowl. If Vandy had Auburns staff beginning of season they are looking at 3-4 close wins on their record. Auburn is a better team that's underperformed. Are they night and day? Nope but right now Vandy has a really good head coach and the talent level you'd expect from a high level private school. Their problem is they play in the SEC. A private school will at best compete at a mid level in the SEC. The rules are too tough and stacked against them. Clark Lea is a good coach.

Vandy has been a breeding ground for good coaches because a 7-8 win season there is a big deal. It takes a lot. Auburn is a different story. There is a chance any given season with the right staff they can be top 10. That will NEVER be a thing at Vandy until things change in college football majorly. So if Vandy and Auburn played this year who would win? You have an argument for sure. But Auburn is a better program period. Vandy is used to losing Auburn is not. Auburn is a historically high mid pack team. Vandy is Vandy.

I have always made the argument that if u took (football) Vandy, Kentucky, USCjr, Miss State out of the SEC and changed nothing else they'd be at worst mid pack in any other conference. Don't disrespect the SEC by comparing a bad team in the SEC with a bad one in any conference outside the big10 in football.

That being said it's not even the biggest point. The main point that started this discourse is this. We have 2 losses so does Bama. Their 2 losses are less bad than ours. Trust me I don't wanna admit it but, UGA and USCe spanked us. Bama lost both it's literally on the last play. They were in it and we beat them because of at least 60% Neyland and another 10% anger of losing for so long. UT has played out of its mind all season and let us down twice. F all this on September 1 if I told you we'd have 10 wins and beat Bama and FL and not lose to Vandy you woulda been beyong hell yeah. The 2 games we can't lose are Vandy and UK the ones we need are Bama, UF and UGA. As fans that's your heart. You're just mad we didn't do the ridiculous and do it all this year.

The only thing I regret from this year as a VOL fan is Hookers acl tear. I'm good with whatever else happens this year. If you can't respect that whatever but I'm glad to be 2 years ahead.

I’m not mad at all. You are the one ranting and raving getting all emotion lol. You have a few “ifs” in there once again haha. You know “if” that Missouri player didn’t lay that ball down in OT, Auburn would only have 1 SEC victory this season? I’m perfectly content with our record this season, elated actually. I’m just not going to sit around and read all you bozos try to tell me that Alabama is better than us this season. It was settled on the field. We were better and if you closet Alabama fans don’t want to believe it then that’s on you.

 

[pimo1]

Seriously bro, you are subjectively saying Auburn is better than Vanderbilt

How about this I'm gonna start a random poll on if Vandy is a better team than Auburn. Even better if people would be more angry with a loss or Vandy or Auburn. I'd bet every penny I own Auburn wins that. No disrespect to Vandy, but history kinda backs it all up. The worst season Auburn has has is right there with the best Candy has had in our lifetimes. Vandy used to be a thing pre 1960... But it's private it ain't cheap. As a person who went to college on a full scholarship I get they are not all equal and FULL is not representative of reality. A full year of education at UT is about 1.2 at Vandy. And that's before room and board.

On a full academic scholly after 4 years I ended up with a bill that woulda bought me a decent 5 year old Lexus at the end.Atca much cheaper public school than UT.. (I'm a TSU graduate)