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#101
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GAVol said:
I'd say getting elected Senator from Illinois is a wee bit more prestigious than being the Governor of Alaska, but you are correct that neither of them belong in the same zip code as the White House. If anything, you have to hand it to Obama for recognizing a political vacuum and having the good timing to jump in.
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You'd be wrong though on the first part. Governor is a higher level job than Senator. Senators give up their positions all the time to become governor. Governor is a launching board to POTUS. She also had alot more revenue under her control in Alaska than most want to give credit to.

He also voted Present almost 99% of the time. He never made a single tough decision.

I will agree with the last part but blame America more. if the country was more educated they would have demanded a better candidate and thrown both back to their respective parties.



As for the last
 
#102
#102
NEOCON said:
You'd be wrong though on the first part. Governor is a higher level job than Senator. Senators give up their positions all the time to become governor. Governor is a launching board to POTUS. She also had alot more revenue under her control in Alaska than most want to give credit to.

He also voted Present almost 99% of the time. He never made a single tough decision.

I will agree with the last part but blame America more. if the country was more educated they would have demanded a better candidate and thrown both back to their respective parties.



As for the last
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I'd generally agree with you about Governors, but we're talking about being a Senator from one of the most electorally significant states vs. Governor of probably the most electorally insignificant state in the union.
 
#103
#103
GAVol said:
I'd generally agree with you about Governors, but we're talking about being a Senator from one of the most electorally significant states vs. Governor of probably the most electorally insignificant state in the union.
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On that end, I totally agree.

So you and I are agreeing then?
 
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#105
NEOCON said:
I call BS that 4 people making over 100K voted for him on here.

It is also nobodies business what I make.

On a side note though, you once willingly gave me your income when I posed you a question. It would only be fair if you ever asked that I gave mine.

:hi:
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You started a poll asking people how much they make.
 
#107
#107
I read your comment in another thread along of the line of you didn't want to sound elitist (really, do you have any self awareness) that the pay for House members is 174K, and that's not REALLY that great. Then you proceeded to state they really make REAL money from outside source income like owning an insurance company. And you own an insurance company. Congrats on being rich. I wish I made a pile of money. We all are jealous in our 50-100 bracket. Thanks for constantly reminding us how miserable our middle class existence is to your tiny giraffe world, Boris.
 
#108
#108
Pooch, you're killing me man.

You took some word, put em together, and made something real that isn't real. Why you doing that to me man?
 
#110
#110
IPorange said:
Neocon, there are lots of wealthy democrats.
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Yes. I know this. But 90% of democrats are not even close to wealthy and the driving force of the party is the unemployed or barely employed.
 
#112
#112
Yeah that's why the democrats are able to raise so much dough.
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#113
#113
rmsmith said:
Yeah that's why the democrats are able to raise so much dough.
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You might wanna go check where the majority of that money is coming from.

It comes from a few really, really, really left wing billionaires who are trying to change the system. The other comes from large corps who are hedging the bets like GE.

It does not come from the majority of the voting party. This is on record.


As for the other side, the bulk comes from businesses again that are hedging their bets and a few billionaries that are trying to change the structure.

The money is not coming in large sums from the average voter on any side.
 
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#116
NEOCON said:
You might wanna go check where the majority of that money is coming from.

It comes from a few really, really, really left wing billionaires who are trying to change the system. The other comes from large corps who are hedging the bets like GE.

It does not come from the majority of the voting party. This is on record.


As for the other side, the bulk comes from businesses again that are hedging their bets and a few billionaries that are trying to change the structure.

The money is not coming in large sums from the average voter on any side.
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So both parties get their moola from people that want to change government. Ok. What's the difference?


And are these official statistics? or a guess?
NEOCON said:
Yes. I know this. But 90% of democrats are not even close to wealthy and the driving force of the party is the unemployed or barely employed.
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Also, how is someone barely employed? I've heard of underemployed, is that what you meant?
 
#118
#118
rmsmith said:
So both parties get their moola from people that want to change government. Ok. What's the difference?


And are these official statistics? or a guess?

Also, how is someone barely employed? I've heard of underemployed, is that what you meant?
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The difference is who is backing. Both have large special interest groups. Just depends who if you would rather have with their hand in your politicians pocket.

Barely employed is off and on, off and on, working to buy drugs.
 
#119
#119
NEOCON said:
The difference is who is backing. Both have large special interest groups. Just depends who if you would rather have with their hand in your politicians pocket.

Barely employed is off and on, off and on, working to buy drugs.
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Gotcha thanks
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#120
#120
GAVol said:
I'd say getting elected Senator from Illinois is a wee bit more prestigious than being the Governor of Alaska, but you are correct that neither of them belong in the same zip code as the White House. If anything, you have to hand it to Obama for recognizing a political vacuum and having the good timing to jump in.
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Pretty much sums it up. I'd imagine there were more than a few hundred people who watched Kerry run in '04 and said "If THAT guy can get THAT close to the white house..."

GAVol said:
No need to get pissy there Scooter.
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NEOCON said:
If only employed people over the age of 30 and homes owners or business owners could vote, I would out money on the fact everywhere but New England there would never be another democrat elected.
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I still don't get where you are getting this from. Just to pick a random group of people in there, oooohhhh say young men who are still eligible to get drafted. They can get compulsory military service but can't vote? This sits alright with you?
 
#121
#121
milohimself said:
Pretty much sums it up. I'd imagine there were more than a few hundred people who watched Kerry run in '04 and said "If THAT guy can get THAT close to the white house..."



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I still don't get where you are getting this from. Just to pick a random group of people in there, oooohhhh say young men who are still eligible to get drafted. They can get compulsory military service but can't vote? This sits alright with you?
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I'm not trying to be a jerk but I have noticed a trend that I keep have to repating post I've already put down with the Mods on here. This isn't the first time it's happened and of all the ones on here I would least expect it from you guys ... but you do it the most. It kinda confuses me.

I have clearly stated I am not for a draft of any kind. I have also said if you are in the military or ex military you can vote. This is a totall "what if scenerio" and in my what if scenerio there wouldn't be a draft.

Is this concept this hard to follow? I understand not agreeing with me but it's like people can't even wrap their head around something pretty basic here.
 
#122
#122
Sorry, I forget if I've read that. Between work and school I'd guess that I only have time to catch maybe a third of what's posted on VN.

An interesting idea... One I completely disagree with, but interesting.
 
#123
#123
The 2gth amendment was only put in place because of the draft backlash. If there had never of been a draft, I would bet there would never have been a 26th amendment.

The Constution makes it clear you can not base voting rights on race or gender.

You eliminate the draft, overturn the 26th amendment, and everything I have said is legal.

I see no reason why someone who has lived on welfare for the last 10 years has a right to voice their opinion.
 
#124
#124
You give me this I'll give you legalized drugs, gambling, and prostitution.

Wanna backhouse shake on it friend?
 
#125
#125
No. Capitalism on a large enough scale will always inherently produce a percentage of people who have no means of producing a subsistence for themselves. I know and embrace the power of the free market to produce, but also know and accept that this is a fact of life that comes with it. You give more of the pie to one person, then the rest will have that much less available to them.

More than that, it flies in the face of the development of the amendments, particularly the 24th. I know that one was used to eliminate barriers for the ability of the black community to vote, but either way, if you up the age to 30 you're discounting the opinions of all young people. I'm 23 and in spite of our disagreements I think you could find it reasonable to say that I've cast more well-informed ballots than, say, half a million other Americans over age 30 who have jobs.

Bottom line is that everybody has a stake in society, and everybody old enough to be at least capable (if not able) of making a well-informed decision has the right to a say in their government. To do otherwise would be encroaching on people's liberties and thus going backwards as a society.
 
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