killer did not listen to talk radio.

#51
#51
DinkinFlicka said:
Maybe in your world, but not in mine. Like LG said, it didn't cause it. Lunacy was the cause, fanaticism was the spark, and outside influence was the brimstone.

Is everything black and white with you?
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how have you concluded this?

further, how have you concluded that it is rightwing based rhetoric that is the root cause rather than political rhetoric in general? Afterall, you've mentioned you "hate" Rush Limbaugh and referred to another poster of a different political persuasion as a prick so far in this thread.
 
#53
#53
volinbham said:
how have you concluded this?

further, how have you concluded that it is rightwing based rhetoric that is the root cause rather than political rhetoric in general? Afterall, you've mentioned you "hate" Rush Limbaugh and referred to another poster of a different political persuasion as a prick so far in this thread.
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Of course both sides would be involved in this. He had to hate the left for a reason.
 
#55
#55
DinkinFlicka said:
His targets were just coincidental, I guess :blink:
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He targeted a local celebrity.

He didn't listen to the news, he didn't listen to talk radio. So what basis do you have to assume he was influenced by political rhetoric? Just the fact that she was a politician? That's not enough.
 
#56
#56
DinkinFlicka said:
Because it's awfully convenient for a "friend" to come forth and defend the right (or the left, had the situation been switched around) when they're under fire from many sides. THAT is why I'm so dismissive.

Why would this friend even take the time and effort to make this statement? Is he a staunch conservative who would defend right wing media instead of simply pleading that his friend was insane?

There are too many fitting pieces here.
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As opposed to all those fitting pieces that inextricably tie the shooter to the TP and right-wing rhetoric?

While you often seem to express an aversion to overzealous opportunism by either side (a worthy stance IMHO) in this thread, intentionally or otherwise, you have come across as a little too eager to dismiss input by someone close to the shooting. I've no issues with an "a grain of salt" approach on your part but that didn't seem to be your take.
 
#57
#57
DinkinFlicka said:
Of course both sides would be involved in this. He had to hate the left for a reason.
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How do you know he hates the left? He shot a Blue Dog, anyway. Wouldn't you go after someone a bit further to the left than that, if it were just about that?
 
#61
#61
IPorange said:
How do you know he hates the left? He shot a Blue Dog, anyway. Wouldn't you go after someone a bit further to the left than that, if it were just about that?
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Who used to be a Republican, was a strong 2nd Amendment advocate and who enthusiastically participated in the reading of the Constitution for the new Congress --- a move roundly mocked by the left.
 
#62
#62
DinkinFlicka said:
Oh, are we not counting Blue Dogs as the left now?
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1. she is barely left
2. we don't know if he hated her for her political stance or for other reasons.

You are very eager to dismiss any evidence pointing away from you claim yet will grasp anything you feel supports your point.
 
#63
#63
volinbham said:
Who used to be a Republican, was a strong 2nd Amendment advocate and who enthusiastically participated in the reading of the Constitution for the new Congress --- a move roundly mocked by the left.
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Just not a very "liberal" target to begin with...
 
#64
#64
lawgator1 said:
Don't distract with argument ad absurdum.
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please explain how your argument is any different from people who said that doom was particually responsible for the columbine murders. hell at least that guy actually was obsessed with doom. there has yet to have been a single piece of evidence this guy was even right wing.
 
#65
#65
volinbham said:
1. she is barely left
2. we don't know if he hated her for her political stance or for other reasons.

You are very eager to dismiss any evidence pointing away from you claim yet will grasp anything you feel supports your point.
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she actually was a republican early in her career.
 
#66
#66
droski said:
please explain how your argument is any different from people who said that doom was particually responsible for the columbine murders. hell at least that guy actually was obsessed with doom. there has yet to have been a single piece of evidence this guy was even right wing.
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minor details
 
#68
#68
DinkinFlicka said:
Maybe in your world, but not in mine. Like LG said, it didn't cause it. Lunacy was the cause, fanaticism was the spark, and outside influence was the brimstone.

Is everything black and white with you?
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Red and blue would be better colors to use probably so I hope you don't mind me changing them...

You are ignoring the blue evidence and making up red evidence. I'm not saying it's a blue problem, I am saying there is no evidence to show that it's red. I see it as being a bluish purple problem rather than red problem.

Good grief, lets go ahead and graduate kindergarten. mkay.
 
#69
#69
hndog609 said:
As opposed to all those fitting pieces that inextricably tie the shooter to the TP and right-wing rhetoric?

While you often seem to express an aversion to overzealous opportunism by either side (a worthy stance IMHO) in this thread, intentionally or otherwise, you have come across as a little too eager to dismiss input by someone close to the shooting. I've no issues with an "a grain of salt" approach on your part but that didn't seem to be your take.
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Can we really call this alleged friend someone who was "close to the shooting?"

Loughner really didn't seem as though he had regular contact with any close friends.
 
#70
#70
azVolFan said:
Red and blue would be better colors to use probably so I hope you don't mind me changing them...

You are ignoring the blue evidence and making up red evidence. I'm not saying it's a blue problem, I am saying there is no evidence to show that it's red. I see it as being a bluish purple problem rather than red problem.

Good grief, lets go ahead and graduate kindergarten. mkay.
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How is it at all bluish?
 
#71
#71
DinkinFlicka said:
Can we really call this alleged friend someone who was "close to the shooting?"

Loughner really didn't seem as though he had regular contact with any close friends.
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This is ridiculous... You are reaching really hard to discount anything that doesn't fit with your initial read or "feeling" on this.
 
#72
#72
DinkinFlicka said:
Can we really call this alleged friend someone who was "close to the shooting?"

Loughner really didn't seem as though he had regular contact with any close friends.
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he spoke to him enough to know he hated bush and voted for kerry.
 
#73
#73
DinkinFlicka said:
Can we really call this alleged friend someone who was "close to the shooting?"

Loughner really didn't seem as though he had regular contact with any close friends.
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Other than the target being a conservative Dem can you point to any evidence to support you and LG's claim that right wing rhetoric was a catalyst for this?
 
#74
#74
IPorange said:
This is ridiculous... You are reaching really hard to discount anything that doesn't fit with your initial read or "feeling" on this.
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Especially ridiculous given his reaction to the OP. It is so ironic that it almost seems like he's pulling one over on us.
 
#75
#75
IPorange said:
This is ridiculous... You are reaching really hard to discount anything that doesn't fit with your initial read or "feeling" on this.
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DinkinFlicka said:
I honestly haven't seen them. I love how we're basing all of this contradictory information off the words of a "friend" of a lunatic. Because if it's anything lunatics have, it's friends right?

What won't you guys buy into? Are you kidding me?
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Thought this was interesting exchange.
 
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