Lane Kiffin's 'dream job' will pay him $4 million. For ... what, again?

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kptvol said:
They were pretty good... but "top notch talent" in no way describes them. Anyway, as I recall... the real point was that LT doesn't have great talent, but neither did the WAC schools against which the Bulldogs struggled. Thus, I can understand the concern regarding Dooley.
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I understand what you're saying. But LT had injuries to 19 of 22 first teamers at various points throughout the season. Their opponents didn't have BCS type talent, but they had enough to beat the mid-major 2nd stringers. I still don't know why no one is going after Chris Peterson.
 
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getyopopcornready said:
I still don't know why no one is going after Chris Peterson.
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Most people look at his gameplan as smoke and mirrors. It's a team that is unorthodox and hard to gameplan against once every 3 years but if he was in a big time conference his opponents would figure him out quickly.
 
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tvolsfan said:
The best team in that conference pulls in recruiting classes averaging out to about 80. The conference sucks.
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What is Virginia Tech's average recruiting ranking over the last 5 years?

Recruiting rankings are bunk. Kiffin can put up good recruiting numbers but he can't coach a lick.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
What is Virginia Tech's average recruiting ranking over the last 5 years?

Recruiting rankings are bunk. Kiffin can put up good recruiting numbers but he can't coach a lick.
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when did virginia tech win the national title again?
 
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From a poster on 4HL (Notre Dame premium site):

My son was in a bar down in Manhattan Beach about a month ago and saw Lane Kiffin and a small entourage of 'SC people. I assume my son had a few in him and he asked the bartender what kind of orange drinks did he serve. The bartender came up with something and my son bought the drink and had the waitress deliver it to Kiffin and told her to say 'Compliments of The University of Tennessee.' Kiffin went kind of goofy demanding who bought the drink as my son was heading out the door and on to the next pub.
Never been more proud.
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UT IE 95 said:
What is Virginia Tech's average recruiting ranking over the last 5 years?

Recruiting rankings are bunk. Kiffin can put up good recruiting numbers but he can't coach a lick.
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Yet be proven as a HC, but his offenses while at SC were ridiculously good.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
What is Virginia Tech's average recruiting ranking over the last 5 years?
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About 20th... Beamer can do okay, but there's a reason they've never been serious title contenders without Vick. You need great recruits.

Recruiting rankings are bunk. Kiffin can put up good recruiting numbers but he can't coach a lick.
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You're going out on a limb with just about all of this. There's no legitimate way you can argue that he can't coach a lick, or at least put up a staff that can.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
It's Division I college football. You're acting like it's the FCS.

Boise State beat everyone they played. They had some quality wins.
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They're the best team in the conference, and they have talent that essentially all major conference contenders would find absolutely atrocious.

The conference is an awful FBS conference.

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There are a lot of good teams that would be 4 loss SEC teams.
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If a team destroys it's in conference opponents, but would lose 4 a year in SEC play, the conference they're destroying is bad.
 
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getyopopcornready said:
Just like the SEC did with Urban Meyer?
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I never thought Meyer would do horribly, but the success he had this fast has surprised me. However, Meyer's coaching accomplishments were wildly more impressive than Petersen's accomplishments. And it's not really been Meyer's system that has made him successful as much as it's his recruits, IMO.
 
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tvolsfan said:
They're the best team in the conference, and they have talent that essentially all major conference contenders would find absolutely atrocious.

The conference is an awful FBS conference.



If a team destroys it's in conference opponents, but would lose 4 a year in SEC play, the conference they're destroying is bad.
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Georgia Tech won the ACC with 3 losses. You don't think they would have had 4 with a SEC schedule? Is the ACC an awful conference? That's a terrible measuring stick. The WAC is not awful. Boise State has been good for awhile. Fresno State has been good but not consistently. Teams from the WAC go to BCS bowls. That's more than Tennessee has done in years. Boise State and Hawaii both received automatic bids to BCS bowls.

Boise has had 8 players drafted in the past 5 years. Fresno State has 11. The WAC had 5 this past year and two were Dooley pupils.

Last year, 10 WAC players made it to the league. It's not like there's not talent. I understand the skepticism of Dooley. I'm a skeptic myself. But it's tough to win inside one's own conference, regardless and when you show you can do it with the talent level Dooley had in '08 and win a bowl at a place where that hasn't been done since 1977, people take notice. Big, powerful people that make crucial decisions for schools with lots of money. Hence Dooley getting interviewed by Auburn.

Jacobs made a tough call on a coach that was perceived to be inexperienced -- who had a losing record, and has come out looking like roses. Let's just hope that the same happens to Hammy. If you don't then I don't know how you can call yourself a true fan. There are a lot of fan-pretenders on this site that would rather their predictions hold true than us actually have success.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
Georgia Tech won the ACC with 3 losses. You don't think they would have had 4 with a SEC schedule? Is the ACC an awful conference? That's a terrible measuring stick. The WAC is not awful. Boise State has been good for awhile. Fresno State has been good but not consistently. Teams from the WAC go to BCS bowls. That's more than Tennessee has done in years. Boise State and Hawaii both received automatic bids to BCS bowls.

Boise has had 8 players drafted in the past 5 years. Fresno State has 11. The WAC had 5 this past year and two were Dooley pupils.

Last year, 10 WAC players made it to the league. It's not like there's not talent. I understand the skepticism of Dooley. I'm a skeptic myself. But it's tough to win inside one's own conference, regardless and when you show you can do it with the talent level Dooley had in '08 and win a bowl at a place where that hasn't been done since 1977, people take notice. Big, powerful people that make crucial decisions for schools with lots of money. Hence Dooley getting interviewed by Auburn.

Jacobs made a tough call on a coach that was perceived to be inexperienced -- who had a losing record, and has come out looking like roses. Let's just hope that the same happens to Hammy. If you don't then I don't know how you can call yourself a true fan. There are a lot of fan-pretenders on this site that would rather their predictions hold true than us actually have success.
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The WAC is not awful. Right, and the Sun Belt is the next big thing in college football. Utah State and New Mexico State are among the five worst programs in America. Idaho has been consistently wretched for two decades. San Jose State is garbage. Hawaii had their moment, then were exposed as the trash they are. Fresno State has gotten great mileage out of beating a couple of middle of the pack Big 10 teams and playing SC close once. The fact of the matter is they are nothing but a welfare version of Southern Miss. Boise is the only team in that league to accomplish anything of note and their only real accomplishment is beating one of Stoops' lesser OU teams in the Fiesta Bowl. The league is garbage. Dooley couldn't win in it. Those are the facts. You can try to puff the idiot who is going to crater this program up all you want. That doesn't change the fact he was a loser in a joke of a conference.
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hatvol96 said:
The WAC is not awful. Right, and the Sun Belt is the next big thing in college football. Utah State and New Mexico State are among the five worst programs in America. Idaho has been consistently wretched for two decades. San Jose State is garbage. Hawaii had their moment, then were exposed as the trash they are. Fresno State has gotten great mileage out of beating a couple of middle of the pack Big 10 teams and playing SC close once. The fact of the matter is they are nothing but a welfare version of Southern Miss. Boise is the only team in that league to accomplish anything of note and their only real accomplishment is beating one of Stoops' lesser OU teams in the Fiesta Bowl. The league is garbage. Dooley couldn't win in it. Those are the facts. You can try to puff the idiot who is going to crater this program up all you want. That doesn't change the fact he was a loser in a joke of a conference.
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Those are just the facts that support your opinion. There are other facts that point to a competent coach who knows the ins and outs of competing and recruiting in the SEC and has the stuff to do it. You simply pick and choose which facts to repeat over and over because that's all you have.

All you have is a record that was tarnished by happenings out of the control of the coach in a year where they were expected to win big.

Let me ask you this, what games that Dooley lost do you profess he should have won?

Do you know that there is a thought that LA Tech will move to a better conference and soon? That's the sort of situation Dooley put them in. Boise State is on it's way out as well. It's inevitable.

He may fail miserably. But your "facts" hardly point to that.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
Those are just the facts that support your opinion. There are other facts that point to a competent coach who knows the ins and outs of competing and recruiting in the SEC and has the stuff to do it. You simply pick and choose which facts to repeat over and over because that's all you have.

All you have is a record that was tarnished by happenings out of the control of the coach in a year where they were expected to win big.

Let me ask you this, what games that Dooley lost do you profess he should have won?

Do you know that there is a thought that LA Tech will move to a better conference and soon? That's the sort of situation Dooley put them in. Boise State is on it's way out as well. It's inevitable.

He may fail miserably. But your "facts" hardly point to that.
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A better conference? Hell, there's only one worse. Yeah, I bet the Mountain West is just dying to add Ruston to their stops.
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Sabanocchio said:
Georgia Tech won the ACC with 3 losses. You don't think they would have had 4 with a SEC schedule? Is the ACC an awful conference? That's a terrible measuring stick. The WAC is not awful. Boise State has been good for awhile. Fresno State has been good but not consistently. Teams from the WAC go to BCS bowls. That's more than Tennessee has done in years. Boise State and Hawaii both received automatic bids to BCS bowls.
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The ACC has been horrible for some time now, but there champions throughout the past aren't all teams that would go 4-4 in SEC play. Boise State's would have gone 4-4 if they played Tennessee's schedule this past year.

I understand the skepticism of Dooley. I'm a skeptic myself. But it's tough to win inside one's own conference, regardless and when you show you can do it with the talent level Dooley had in '08 and win a bowl at a place where that hasn't been done since 1977, people take notice. Big, powerful people that make crucial decisions for schools with lots of money. Hence Dooley getting interviewed by Auburn.
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Good for him for winning a bowl at a team that hasn't done it in so long, but it means less when they add more crap bowls each year.

Jacobs made a tough call on a coach that was perceived to be inexperienced -- who had a losing record, and has come out looking like roses.
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Chizik is awful. He may have been a good DC, but his head coaching resume looks even less impressive than Dooley's. He took a team averaging more than 6 wins over the 7 years before he was hired, and then proceeded to win 5 in 2 years. The year he's gone,they win 7, again. You can argue that it was with his recruits, but his record was substantially worse than the unknown coaches that coached before and after him. He had an overrated season with a team that had won an average of 11 games over the 4 years before the 2008 aberration, and will never win the conference title.

Let's just hope that the same happens to Hammy. If you don't then I don't know how you can call yourself a true fan. There are a lot of fan-pretenders on this site that would rather their predictions hold true than us actually have success.
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I don't believe that. Most of them just think UT will be awful. I doubt SMG, Hat, and some of the other guys actually want UT to fail so they can maintain supremacy in an internet argument. People are negative because this hire looks ridiculously stupid considering Dooley's resume and the situation he's going to face. Maybe he'll be surprising. People who have worked around him seem impressed. However, it's a huge reach to say these people want Dooley to fail, just because they're negative.
 
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