Laremy Tunsil admits he accepted money from Ole Miss coach

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VolGee4 said:
So, what do you propose?

You are upset that kids can't go to the NFL out of high school, and when someone suggests that a free market wouldn't help the kids because a team wouldn't gamble on an 18 year old, then you are upset that the schools accept them and pay millions for scholarships, facilities, and development.

Again, you want it both ways.
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The cost of scholarships, room & board, cost of attendance, books & materials, and travel for 85 scholarship athletes made up less than 5% of the revenue that Alabama's football team generated last year. The facilities at a school like Bama, and every other major football power, are paid for by donors.

And this is for a "non-profit".
 
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bamawriter said:
I assume you went into a field that requires that education. I did as well. But I know that I'm not playing professional football, and I'm going to guess you aren't either. I did, however, play football in high school. I never had a future in it, but I am confident in saying that, had I been capable of pursuing it professionally, a college education would not have been necessary.



What are the other options?
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again how many of the kids are going professional in the "field" of football? and pretty sure I would consider playing football at the college level education for playing football professionally. even your athletic freaks of nature generally get better/more marketable in college. the college game improves their worth (generally) to their profession just like an education does for the rest of us. and its not like there aren't educations that would directly help their professional careers. anything to do with physiology would be a huge boon to a professional athlete.

CFL, European leagues, colleges that don't pay at all. heck technically they don't even have to play at all before the NFL will look at them. and I know that UT allows local guys (non UT) to attend their pro days to get in front of pro scouts and coaches. again you go to college to play for the exposure and training you don't get elsewhere. I could declare for the NFL draft despite never have playing football. it wouldn't be wise, but I could do it, participate in a local pro-day/or find a try out.

if you are on one side of a ravine and you are trying to get to the other side and there is a bridge, you don't have to take the bridge. its your choice to take the bridge and not go the long way around. and oh yeah this bridge offers you a chance to better yourself while you cross it. Damn that bridge.
 
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bamawriter said:
Oh, okay. I guess that excuses colleges and universities running an unpaid developmental league on the NFL's behalf. You've convinced me.
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That's what colleges are for. You don't get a job as an engineer for Apple with out a college degree. Apple or Microsoft doesn't pay colleges to develop talent for them. Why should it be different for football or other sports?

Football could certainly set up a minor league system if they choose. Baseball does it and kids have the opportunity to go into the minors or into college. The NFL chooses not to. That's not the colleges fault.

Your argument seems to be that colleges shouldn't give thousands of athletes the opportunity to play sports and earn an education because of the few that do end up playing professionally aren't getting paid cash for learning their skills in addition to all the other benefits they're already getting?

My opinion is that athletes (especially football and basketball players) do get sufficient compensation (full scholarship plus extras) for what they give the school. Look at how many full scholarships are shared among baseball or softball players. Most are still paying out of pocket to go to school.
 
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VolGee4 said:
They don't have to participate. I had to go to law school to practice law. I couldn't walk into a courtroom impersonating a lawyer without spending 3 years at school.
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The legal profession requires a certain education. You went to school to learn the law. You didn't spend years getting a human development degree and then attempt to join your state's bar association.

If the schools would develop a degree in football, then fine. At least they'd be telling the truth.
 
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utvolpj said:
In the end they are better off than the rest of the sports because they can leave with something of value when it's over.
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You are making the assumption that every college football player is qualified to pursue higher education, and that they are all truly getting an education while there.

I've spoken to way too many college athletes to believe that's the case.
 
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bamawriter said:
The cost of scholarships, room & board, cost of attendance, books & materials, and travel for 85 scholarship athletes made up less than 5% of the revenue that Alabama's football team generated last year. The facilities at a school like Bama, and every other major football power, are paid for by donors.

And this is for a "non-profit".
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how about the cost of coaching, access to equipment, videos, doctors etc etc? that also goes into the value the players are getting.
 
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bamawriter said:
You are making the assumption that every college football player is qualified to pursue higher education, and that they are all truly getting an education while there.

I've spoken to way too many college athletes to believe that's the case.
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They aren't qualified to pursue the NFL straight out of HS either. Go to Canada if they want to get paid to play
 
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bamawriter said:
You are making the assumption that every college football player is qualified to pursue higher education, and that they are all truly getting an education while there.

I've spoken to way too many college athletes to believe that's the case.
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yup because even dummies can't learn. and even minimum wage jobs now are asking about college degrees that have nothing to do with the job.
 
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LouderVol said:
how about the cost of coaching, access to equipment, videos, doctors etc etc? that also goes into the value the players are getting.
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At Bama, where the coaching staff is the highest paid in the country, coach's and football staff salaries, and the school training staff (which assists all other sports, but we'll lump it all in for football for the sake of argument), comes to 16% of the total revenues the football team brought in.

It's hard for me to quantify access to equipment and video in dollars, but I think you'll agree that it's a stretch to say it could possibly be more than $3 million. So that takes us to 18%.

Again, for a "non-profit".
 
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LouderVol said:
yup because even dummies can't learn. and even minimum wage jobs now are asking about college degrees that have nothing to do with the job.
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Like I said before:

Colleges could create a degree in football. It would be way more honest than the status quo.
 
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Hey BW,
I really like the information you bring to this site, but I have to say, this rant reeks of butt hurt.....whats the cause?

Were you a player?
 
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T-TownVol said:
Hey BW,
I really like the information you bring to this site, but I have to say, this rant reeks of butt hurt.....whats the cause?
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I think the NCAA's amateurism model is a crock, and that their rules are draconian and exploitative.

Were you a player?
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Lord no. I'm a skinny white guy who runs the 40 in about a month.

But my writing has given me the opportunity to be around several college football programs. I simply feel for the kids more than the millionaires.
 
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May have to get rid of title IX for college to be able to pay players. And colleges drastically cut sports at schools
 
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bamawriter said:
I think the NCAA's amateurism model is a crock, and that their rules are draconian and exploitative.



Lord no. I'm a skinny white guy who runs the 40 in about a month.

But my writing has given me the opportunity to be around several college football programs. I simply feel for the kids more than the millionaires.
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Fair enough.......but this is all old, tired argument.......the only way it will change is for the Power 5 to pull out of the NCAA.....
 
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T-TownVol said:
Fair enough.......but this is all old, tired argument.......the only way it will change is for the Power 5 to pull out of the NCAA.....
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I agree 100%. And the risk of the Power 5 pulling out is why the NCAA is no longer interested in enforcement.
 
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bamawriter said:
The cost of scholarships, room & board, cost of attendance, books & materials, and travel for 85 scholarship athletes made up less than 5% of the revenue that Alabama's football team generated last year. The facilities at a school like Bama, and every other major football power, are paid for by donors.

And this is for a "non-profit".
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I don't believe the entire costs for facilities are paid by donors. Most schools spend much of the money that they make. They put it back into facilities and overhead.

Do you not want the schools to spend money on better facilities for their athletes? People get upset at the "arms race" in college football, and they are the same people that want to pay players. Do they not understand the new "arms" or facilities benefit the athletes?
 
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bamawriter said:
Like I said before:

Colleges could create a degree in football. It would be way more honest than the status quo.
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That's different. You are all over the place. I actually suggested athletes be allowed to major in their own sport when I was in college. But, that has nothing to do with paying them while they are in school.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Do you not want the schools to spend money on better facilities for their athletes? People get upset at the "arms race" in college football, and they are the same people that want to pay players. Do they not understand the new "arms" or facilities benefit the athletes?
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You know what doesn't benefit the athletes? Using their names and likenesses to sell jerseys, programs, calendars, and any other piece of swag you can name and not paying them for the privilege.

Guys like Nick Saban and Butch Jones can negotiate the use of their likeness, scheduled appearances, and promotional efforts, but the only negotiating the players get to do is whether or not they sign the form that says the school gets to do whatever they want and the players won't receive a dime.
 
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VolGee4 said:
That's different. You are all over the place. I actually suggested athletes be allowed to major in their own sport when I was in college. But, that has nothing to do with paying them while they are in school.
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I'm responding to multiple points. I'm not making multiple arguments.

On this particular note, I have argued the entire time that "compensating" a player with a totally unrelated education is crap. If colleges want to offer a degree in the sport, and the NFL wants to make the degree mandatory, then great. Only then would it compare to a law degree or anything similar.

Don't misunderstand: it would still be a total crock. But at least no one would be making the argument that a kid needs to pursue a communications degree so he can play football for a living.
 
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VolGee4 said:
I guess you don't see the problems that would cause. We have a Title IX lawsuit against UT. Just think if people pushed to get rid of it. Opening a can of worms...
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While completely unrelated to this subject, UT's current Title IX issue is one glaring example of why I think Title IX needs to be completely overhauled or killed entirely.
 
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Good news: Tunsil's allergic reaction wasn't fatal, and he's now at his introductory presser.

He's not actually saying anything about the subjects anyone give a crap about, and he's not taking questions. But I'm certainly glad he's feeling better.
 
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