Laremy Tunsil admits he accepted money from Ole Miss coach

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TUSKtimes said:
I'm specifically talking about what caused the confession. Of course the ultimate irony would be if ole miss also has to foot the bill for Tunsil's cell phone.
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Technology has nothing to do with being so stupid/trash to rat out people that have helped you.
 
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allvol123 said:
Technology has nothing to do with being so stupid/trash to rat out people that have helped you.
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No yea or nay by tunsil would change the captured screen seen by one and all on national tv. Freeze would still have a lot of explaining to do. As far as his loyalty goes, I doubt if he was mentally quick enough to catch up with the technical difficulty he was encountering.
 
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Aesius said:
If the NCAA isn't going to do anything about this situation, then why did Davis resign at Bama? If the NCAA is completely neutered, couldn't Bama just continue chugging along as normal without worrying about any repercussions?
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Bama won't get any repercussions. But this is how it works. If something is uncovered (and I'm hearing that Davis' name came up regarding an Ole Miss player, though it wasn't Tunsil), you cast off the coach, say it was all on him, and you go on about your merry way.

For other examples, see Joker Phillips at Florida and the WR Coach at LSU (whose name escapes me at the moment).
 
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bamawriter said:
The texts make it seem like that Assistant AD was haggling over his mom's electric bill. Maybe Tunsil got fed up with the lowballing.
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That's what it looked like to me too and frankly, I found it funny as hell.. "Wow, $300 for a light bill?" "How 'bout $250?" Haaa...
 
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allvol123 said:
Technology has nothing to do with being so stupid/trash to rat out people that have helped you.
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If you actually watched the press conference, Tunsil only admitted that it was true after he was pressed repeatedly about it from the reporters in attendance. He literally found out about the leaked text messages from the reporters at the press conference, and sheepishly told the TRUTH about it when asked.

The scandal here isn't that Tunsil "ratted" anybody out, or even that Ole Miss staff were paying him extra cash to help out his family. The real scandal is that elite athletes like Tunsil, who risk their own long-term health and millions in future earnings every time they step on the field (see, e.g., Marcus Lattimore) to help the NCAA and their schools & football conferences make hundreds of millions of dollars in profits (see, e.g., Johnny Manziel), are being compensated pennies to the dollar for what they're truly worth.

So long as we keep up the sham of amateurism, this kind of "cheating" will continue. THAT's the real scandal here.
 
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AboveAllNations said:
If you actually watched the press conference, Tunsil only admitted that it was true after he was pressed repeatedly about it from the reporters in attendance. He literally found out about the leaked text messages from the reporters at the press conference, and sheepishly told the TRUTH about it when asked.

The scandal here isn't that Tunsil "ratted" anybody out, or even that Ole Miss staff were paying him extra cash to help out his family. The real scandal is that elite athletes like Tunsil, who risk their own long-term health and millions in future earnings every time they step on the field (see, e.g., Marcus Lattimore) to help the NCAA and their schools & football conferences make hundreds of millions of dollars in profits (see, e.g., Johnny Manziel), are being compensated pennies to the dollar for what they're truly worth.

So long as we keep up the sham of amateurism, this kind of "cheating" will continue. THAT's the real scandal here.
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I regret that I don't have a billion likes to give this post.
 
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bamawriter said:
Bama won't get any repercussions. But this is how it works. If something is uncovered (and I'm hearing that Davis' name came up regarding an Ole Miss player, though it wasn't Tunsil), you cast off the coach, say it was all on him, and you go on about your merry way.

For other examples, see Joker Phillips at Florida and the WR Coach at LSU (whose name escapes me at the moment).
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But why even cast off the coach if the NCAA isn't going to punish regardless?

Plus, Ole Miss's situation goes beyond coaches. It's people in the AD. They aren't as easily "casted off" as position coaches.
 
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Aesius said:
But why even cast off the coach if the NCAA isn't going to punish regardless?
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To reinforce the total lie that the schools actually care about amateurism.

Plus, Ole Miss's situation goes beyond coaches. It's people in the AD. They aren't as easily "casted off" as position coaches.
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Actually, members of the AD are easier to cast off than coaches. Good position coaches who have ties to certain recruiting areas don't grow on trees. If you need to can an assistant AD, you find another pencil pusher to take his place. I guarantee the admin employee makes less than the assistant coach, too.
 
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AboveAllNations said:
If you actually watched the press conference, Tunsil only admitted that it was true after he was pressed repeatedly about it from the reporters in attendance. He literally found out about the leaked text messages from the reporters at the press conference, and sheepishly told the TRUTH about it when asked.

The scandal here isn't that Tunsil "ratted" anybody out, or even that Ole Miss staff were paying him extra cash to help out his family. The real scandal is that elite athletes like Tunsil, who risk their own long-term health and millions in future earnings every time they step on the field (see, e.g., Marcus Lattimore) to help the NCAA and their schools & football conferences make hundreds of millions of dollars in profits (see, e.g., Johnny Manziel), are being compensated pennies to the dollar for what they're truly worth.

So long as we keep up the sham of amateurism, this kind of "cheating" will continue. THAT's the real scandal here.
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I too believe that the system isn't right, but these are (should be) amateur athletes. They are not forced to step on to the field. If college sports aren't for them, they can walk away.

I know this debate goes on & on & on & on, but I'm entitled to my thoughts too.
 
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bamawriter said:
To reinforce the total lie that the schools actually care about amateurism.



Actually, members of the AD are easier to cast off than coaches. Good position coaches who have ties to certain recruiting areas don't grow on trees. If you need to can an assistant AD, you find another pencil pusher to take his place. I guarantee the admin employee makes less than the assistant coach, too.
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Well, from a punishment standpoint (if the NCAA decides to do anything), wouldn't people in the AD being involved result in harsher penalties? That's approaching lack of institutional control, right?
 
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AboveAllNations said:
If you actually watched the press conference, Tunsil only admitted that it was true after he was pressed repeatedly about it from the reporters in attendance. He literally found out about the leaked text messages from the reporters at the press conference, and sheepishly told the TRUTH about it when asked.

The scandal here isn't that Tunsil "ratted" anybody out, or even that Ole Miss staff were paying him extra cash to help out his family. The real scandal is that elite athletes like Tunsil, who risk their own long-term health and millions in future earnings every time they step on the field (see, e.g., Marcus Lattimore) to help the NCAA and their schools & football conferences make hundreds of millions of dollars in profits (see, e.g., Johnny Manziel), are being compensated pennies to the dollar for what they're truly worth.

So long as we keep up the sham of amateurism, this kind of "cheating" will continue. THAT's the real scandal here.
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BS. There are rules in place.

These kids are also getting every grant and stipend that they are eligible for. I am not against a stipend paying them some for other expenses, but you simply have to follow the rules in place.
 
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mitzustu said:
We need an agency that can enforce rules. This game becomes so diluted if things like this (players openly admitting payment) occur with no penalty.

I don't understand why the NCAA has no authority.
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If a HS junior goes to a coach's cook out, then ncaa has authority.
 
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Aesius said:
Well, from a punishment standpoint (if the NCAA decides to do anything), wouldn't people in the AD being involved result in harsher penalties? That's approaching lack of institutional control, right?
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In theory: maybe. But since the NCAA isn't going to do squat, it really doesn't matter.
 
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AboveAllNations said:
If you actually watched the press conference, Tunsil only admitted that it was true after he was pressed repeatedly about it from the reporters in attendance. He literally found out about the leaked text messages from the reporters at the press conference, and sheepishly told the TRUTH about it when asked.

The scandal here isn't that Tunsil "ratted" anybody out, or even that Ole Miss staff were paying him extra cash to help out his family. The real scandal is that elite athletes like Tunsil, who risk their own long-term health and millions in future earnings every time they step on the field (see, e.g., Marcus Lattimore) to help the NCAA and their schools & football conferences make hundreds of millions of dollars in profits (see, e.g., Johnny Manziel), are being compensated pennies to the dollar for what they're truly worth.

So long as we keep up the sham of amateurism, this kind of "cheating" will continue. THAT's the real scandal here.
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There is no scandal here.

Those on scholarship are getting their education paid for. Education that will be needed for those that do not make it at the next level (and most will not). And for those that do play at the next level, education to understand how to handle any money they make and tools they can use once their playing days are over.

There is no way coming out of high school that an athlete "knows for sure" that they have what it takes compete at the college level, let alone in the NFL.

College gives them not only the chance for an education but also a chance to bolster their skills and showcase to everyone that they are capable of playing at the next level. It also gives them a chance to "grow up" as an adult and learn how to handle the pressure that comes with being a public figure with the help of college coaches that can guide them through the transition.

IMO, they are compensated quite well while in college without someone throwing extra dollars their way. Extra dollars is what their family is there to provide. I know my family provided for me.
 
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bamawriter said:
In theory: maybe. But since the NCAA isn't going to do squat, it really doesn't matter.
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It will be pretty sickening if the NCAA does nothing in this situation. But you are probably right. At most, they will announce an investigation and then the story will just fade away with absolutely no follow-up from them.
 
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bamawriter said:
If your employer came to you and said "In lieu of your salary, we are going to pay you in education," would you accept?
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If I was a high school student headed to college and a future employer offered to pay for my education - yes. Of course that also implies that I would have to work for them for a period of time even though I could get a better offer somewhere else.

These students are not employed. They can walk away at any point in time. What that means if they do is that they now must pay for their education if they choose to continue with it - which is what non athletes do.
 
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bamawriter said:
If your employer came to you and said "In lieu of your salary, we are going to pay you in education," would you accept?
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I am required to have an education (x2) in order to be employed.

This debate will go on forever, and everyone has an opinion. But. it's just not an education that these guys are getting. High level coaching, training staff, doctors, nutritionists, state of the art training facilities, weight room, locker rooms with game consoles and tv's, nutrition bar, academic support staff, food amenities, clothing, housing, relationships with former players, stadiums, TV EXPOSURE, and I am sure there are more that I left off. If you decided to break down the costs of all of these amenities and services in the real world, it would most likely be in the tens of thousands (and maybe over 100k) of dollars each year.

I am not saying that these guys don't work hard because they do. They literally put their bodies and futures on the line. But they aren't just being paid in the form of an "education." They are getting more and access to more than any regular student. The problem is that they just aren't getting the material things that they want and neither do most other regular college kids with hard-working parents.
 
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VolGee4 said:
I am required to have an education (x2) in order to be employed.

This debate will go on forever, and everyone has an opinion. But. it's just not an education that these guys are getting. High level coaching, training staff, doctors, nutritionists, state of the art training facilities, weight room, locker rooms with game consoles and tv's, nutrition bar, academic support staff, food amenities, clothing, housing, relationships with former players, stadiums, TV EXPOSURE, and I am sure there are more that I left off. If you decided to break down the costs of all of these amenities and services in the real world, it would most likely be in the tens of thousands (and maybe over 100k) of dollars each year.

I am not saying that these guys don't work hard because they do. They literally put their bodies and futures on the line. But they aren't just being paid in the form of an "education." They are getting more and access to more than any regular student. The problem is that they just aren't getting the material things that they want and neither do most other regular college kids with hard-working parents.
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You said this much better than me. And folks forget that students today pay to attend football games at UT. When I was there - tickets were free - which was great because I would not have been able to attend every game if I had had to pay for the ticket.
 
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