Laremy Tunsil admits he accepted money from Ole Miss coach

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VolGee4 said:
I am required to have an education (x2) in order to be employed.
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So, I'm assuming that you don't play football for a living. The suggestion that playing football requires a college education is asinine.

This debate will go on forever, and everyone has an opinion. But. it's just not an education that these guys are getting. High level coaching, training staff, doctors, nutritionists, state of the art training facilities, weight room, locker rooms with game consoles and tv's, nutrition bar, academic support staff, food amenities, clothing, housing, relationships with former players, stadiums, TV EXPOSURE, and I am sure there are more that I left off. If you decided to break down the costs of all of these amenities and services in the real world, it would most likely be in the tens of thousands (and maybe over 100k) of dollars each year.
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But they could have all of that and more if they were allowed to play for the NFL immediately out of high school. But that's not possible, because the NFL doesn't allow kids to enter the draft for three years post-graduation. So the colleges have a guaranteed pool of cheap talent, and the NFL gets to run a developmental system that they don't have to pay for.
 
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volfan102455 said:
You said this much better than me. And folks forget that students today pay to attend football games at UT. When I was there - tickets were free - which was great because I would not have been able to attend every game if I had had to pay for the ticket.
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Ours weren't exactly free, but there was no additional charge as long as you paid the semester activity fee. But, yes, I believe they now have to pay an additional price for the ticket.

I understand the argument, and I am for capitalism. But, these players want cash money in their pockets to spend it on what they want, when, in reality, the avenue itself (of playing high level college football) is very costly. Most of the great players who would be paid the most in college are going to get paid as professionals. The others can just stop and still have a free education that they probably wouldn't have otherwise had if they hadn't played football.
 
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volfan102455 said:
You said this much better than me. And folks forget that students today pay to attend football games at UT. When I was there - tickets were free - which was great because I would not have been able to attend every game if I had had to pay for the ticket.
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You couldn't swing $70-80 per year for tickets?? That like an hour or 2 of work at min wage each month
 
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bamawriter said:
If your employer came to you and said "In lieu of your salary, we are going to pay you in education," would you accept?
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Actually I paid for 7 years of education in hopes that an employer would then pay me.

If I had been an athlete, maybe it wouldn't have cost so much, at least for undergraduate. Or if an employer had come to me and said they would pay for my education and I could pay it off by working for them........probably yes. (I'll need lots more info to decide). It's done all the time.

Look at the Naval, Air Force, etc. Academy.......... Not an easy road during or after.
 
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bamawriter said:
So, I'm assuming that you don't play football for a living. The suggestion that playing football requires a college education is asinine.



But they could have all of that and more if they were allowed to play for the NFL immediately out of high school. But that's not possible, because the NFL doesn't allow kids to enter the draft for three years post-graduation. So the colleges have a guaranteed pool of cheap talent, and the NFL gets to run a developmental system that they don't have to pay for.
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You are blurring the lines between several arguments. The NFL can do what it feels is best for its league and players. The NFL has been in much publicized litigation over head trauma, yet, you are criticizing them for not allowing an 18 year old to play in their league against other 22-35 year olds? They can place whatever parameters they want to.

The kids could go try to play in the CFL if they allow it, or maybe play in some local semi-pro league. But why would they do that when some can get a free ride for 3 years and then make millions at age 21 in the NFL? They don't have to do it.

Everyone wants it both ways.
 
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VolGee4 said:
You are blurring the lines between several arguments...

Everyone wants it both ways.
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Okay, then at the very least the schools need to stop profiting off the names and likenesses of their players while preventing the players from doing the same.

I do not believe that college athletes should be treated like employees of the school. Nor do I think the NFL should be required to change their rules for entry. However, I'm sick of the NCAA's bull**** sanctimony. "We're allowed to make millions of dollars of your efforts and your property, but God help you if you receive a little extra money under the table so you can enjoy your life a little."
 
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So, Tunsil was supposed to hold a press conference in about half an hour.

This has been cancelled because Tunsil has suffered "an allergic reaction".
 
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utvolpj said:
You couldn't swing $70-80 per year for tickets?? That like an hour or 2 of work at min wage each month
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I get your point but I worked and paid my own way through college. So the money I made was needed elsewhere. And I had to make choices on what activities I could afford. I was very thankful that as a student, tickets to football and basketball were not an extra cost I had to bear.

I would have probably figured out something for football - but not basketball.
 
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bamawriter said:
If your employer came to you and said "In lieu of your salary, we are going to pay you in education," would you accept?
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not really apples to apples. If he was an intern it would be comparable, but to someone who has already proved themselves in college it isn't the same. and yeah a lot of businesses do that. Extra training, schooling, seminars needed to function at the professional level.

and again not apples to apples in that he already has an understanding of his compensation from the company in dollars, to suddenly have it changed to education, without his consent, is wrong. these players walk into the situation knowing they are going to be "paid" in education.
 
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LouderVol said:
and again not apples to apples in that he already has an understanding of his compensation from the company in dollars, to suddenly have it changed to education, without his consent, is wrong. these players walk into the situation knowing they are going to be "paid" in education.
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They walk into the situation knowing they have no choice but to be paid in education. If you're goal is to play football for a living, there is no alternative market in this country. It's college, then NFL. That's it.
 
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bamawriter said:
They walk into the situation knowing they have no choice but to be paid in education. If you're goal is to play football for a living, there is no alternative market in this country. It's college, then NFL. That's it.
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and if i wanted to work in my field I also had to go to college, but i had to pay for it. Darn my (and any) profession requiring me to go to college first.

and its only college because that is where the exposure is. not because it is literally the only option. it is by far the best, which is why the best go there. just like for any college student, going to the best school for my degree is better than going to whatever local cheap school offers a comparable degree. but again in that case I am still paying for it, while they are being compensated by it. if they weren't on scholarship and had to pay for the education they are required to get you would have an argument.
 
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bamawriter said:
So, I'm assuming that you don't play football for a living. The suggestion that playing football requires a college education is asinine.



But they could have all of that and more if they were allowed to play for the NFL immediately out of high school. But that's not possible, because the NFL doesn't allow kids to enter the draft for three years post-graduation. So the colleges have a guaranteed pool of cheap talent, and the NFL gets to run a developmental system that they don't have to pay for.
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Very few kids coming out of high school would get picked up to play in the NFL even if they were allowed to. Shoot how many kids after 3-4 years of college (experience, weight training, etc.) actually make it into the NFL? For most college football players, the biggest payoff they get for playing football is the opportunity to get a free college education.

I think it's a fair trade. I paid with years of commitments to the Air Force and everything that entails for my education. 4 years for my bachelor's degree and 3 years for every year of education after that. It's a choice that I made. Given that most kids going to college know they'll never make the NFL or other professional league it's a choice they made.
 
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LouderVol said:
and if i wanted to work in my field I also had to go to college, but i had to pay for it. Darn my (and any) profession requiring me to go to college first.
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I assume you went into a field that requires that education. I did as well. But I know that I'm not playing professional football, and I'm going to guess you aren't either. I did, however, play football in high school. I never had a future in it, but I am confident in saying that, had I been capable of pursuing it professionally, a college education would not have been necessary.

and its only college because that is where the exposure is. not because it is literally the only option.
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What are the other options?
 
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I will give you the likeness argument when it comes to the video games. they should be payed for that.

but I don't feel the same when it comes to the schools having to pay them for being on TV. If Jalen Hurd is hurt its not like thousands of people aren't going to turn on our game because he is out. Unless he is a heisman candidate. even then its doubtful that a player makes a difference to the market of a college game.
 
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bamawriter said:
Oh, okay. I guess that excuses colleges and universities running an unpaid developmental league on the NFL's behalf. You've convinced me.
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The college football players are better off than guys sitting in single A ball just waiting for their break. Why no crying about the MLB farm system that allows players to enter as teens and fail completely without any safety net?
 
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bamawriter said:
Okay, then at the very least the schools need to stop profiting off the names and likenesses of their players while preventing the players from doing the same.

I do not believe that college athletes should be treated like employees of the school. Nor do I think the NFL should be required to change their rules for entry. However, I'm sick of the NCAA's bull**** sanctimony. "We're allowed to make millions of dollars of your efforts and your property, but God help you if you receive a little extra money under the table so you can enjoy your life a little."
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Again, blurring the lines. The NCAA is a corrupt organization, but it's not necessarily because they don't want to pay players. The schools and collegiate level offer a whole lot for these guys. People will always want more.
 
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bamawriter said:
Oh, okay. I guess that excuses colleges and universities running an unpaid developmental league on the NFL's behalf. You've convinced me.
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So, what do you propose?

You are upset that kids can't go to the NFL out of high school, and when someone suggests that a free market wouldn't help the kids because a team wouldn't gamble on an 18 year old, then you are upset that the schools accept them and pay millions for scholarships, facilities, and development.

Again, you want it both ways.
 
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bamawriter said:
They walk into the situation knowing they have no choice but to be paid in education. If you're goal is to play football for a living, there is no alternative market in this country. It's college, then NFL. That's it.
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They don't have to participate. I had to go to law school to practice law. I couldn't walk into a courtroom impersonating a lawyer without spending 3 years at school.
 
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bamawriter said:
At least baseball gives their players a choice.
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Everyone has a choice but that choice will never be to enter the NFL at 18yo. It's simply a sport that doesn't allow it to happen physically

College football players are in a farm system and being compensated for it. In the end they are better off than the rest of the sports because they can leave with something of value when it's over.
 
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T-TownVol said:
I'll take that bet for $1,000..........
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Im in too - it was only 350 bucks and he sat out 7 games - AJ Green got 2000 for selling his jersey and got 4 games - nothing happened to UGA either - same with Manziel and the autograph deal (and lol at the dopes that paid big bucks for his autograph how much is it worth now ?)
 
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