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[vols40]

You think it’s just a coincidence the CDC was never permitted to go to Wuhan to help but the WHO was. The WHO sung China praises for handling it. Now we find out it’s all bs. Come on man. On top of that you don’t think Trump was either getting briefed by the WHO directly or by someone at the CDC who was? You are wearing you me trump hating blinders you tightly. I would have at least entertained that Trump was kissing China’s ass bc of the trade negotiations. But you couldn’t even come up with that.

And in a twisted way trade negotiations serve a purpose. Dirty Communist money is still money.

 

[BowlBrother85]

That probably has something to do with the fact that over 50% of the farm workers in California are undocumented. California grows close to 40% of America's produce. Unless you want California farmers throwing food away, this had to be addressed.

 

[vols40]

#blameChina

When that runs out, #blameWHO

Then of course there is #blameObama

#blamemedia

Who else can you blame so as to, as Trump says, not take any responsibility at all?

Are you advocating that China was truthful? WHO?

 

[volinbham]

All ideas begin with one person volinbham - one damn person.
A high school senior's request for Barack Obama to give to a commencement speech at his graduation goes viral
The touching post has since received at least 20,000 "likes" and has been retweeted nearly 3,400 times. Several other users offered their support, pleading with Obama to agree to the request, with some sharing messages using the #Obamacommencement2020.

Here's a simple ask - how many of those likes were from high school students who agree.

There are roughly 3.7 million high school seniors.

You always tell us that you favor what "society" chooses. Even if those 20K likes were all from high school seniors (which we know they are not) it would be less than 1/2 of 1% of graduating high school seniors.

 

[luthervol]

You think it’s just a coincidence the CDC was never permitted to go to Wuhan to help but the WHO was. The WHO sung China praises for handling it. Now we find out it’s all bs. Come on man. On top of that you don’t think Trump was either getting briefed by the WHO directly or by someone at the CDC who was? You are wearing your trump hating blinders too tightly. I would have at least entertained that Trump was kissing China’s ass bc of the trade negotiations. But you couldn’t even come up with that.

Exclusive: U.S. slashed CDC staff inside China prior to coronavirus outbreak
“The Trump administration cut staff by more than two-thirds at a key U.S. public health agency operating inside China, as part of a larger rollback of U.S.-funded health and science experts on the ground there leading up to the coronavirus outbreak, Reuters has learned. Most of the reductions were made at the Beijing office of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and occurred over the past two years, according to public CDC documents viewed by Reuters and interviews with four people familiar with the drawdown. … The CDC’s China headcount has shrunk to around 14 staffers, down from approximately 47 people since President Donald Trump took office in January 2017, the documents show. The four people, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the losses included epidemiologists and other health professionals…”

 

[allvol123]

#blameChina

When that runs out, #blameWHO
l?

Why should #blameChina run out?

 

[Weezer]

You think it’s just a coincidence the CDC was never permitted to go to Wuhan to help but the WHO was. The WHO sung China praises for handling it. Now we find out it’s all bs. Come on man. On top of that you don’t think Trump was either getting briefed by the WHO directly or by someone at the CDC who was? You are wearing you me trump hating blinders you tightly. I would have at least entertained that Trump was kissing China’s ass bc of the trade negotiations. But you couldn’t even come up with that.

Here's what I don't understand. The U.S. gives the WHO $400 million dollars. China gives them $20 million dollars. Why do you lie to the people who give you the biggest part of your budget? Why do you go along with China and their propaganda? I mean, wtf??! It makes no damn sense. Apparently they are in need of major reform, and I'm perfectly okay with withholding funds until such a time as it happens. And given we have our own CDC, why do we even need to make up the majority of their budget? Where are the other countries at? Apparently we're supposed to be the world's bitch, and I'm not okay with that.

 

[NCFisher]

Because they were depleted.
Where do you get your info? Never mind, rhetorical.
Reuters Examines Changes To CDC, NSC Epidemiology, Pandemic Response Staff Under Trump Administration
Exclusive: U.S. slashed CDC staff inside China prior to coronavirus outbreak
“The Trump administration cut staff by more than two-thirds at a key U.S. public health agency operating inside China, as part of a larger rollback of U.S.-funded health and science experts on the ground there leading up to the coronavirus outbreak, Reuters has learned. Most of the reductions were made at the Beijing office of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and occurred over the past two years, according to public CDC documents viewed by Reuters and interviews with four people familiar with the drawdown. … The CDC’s China headcount has shrunk to around 14 staffers, down from approximately 47 people since President Donald Trump took office in January 2017, the documents show. The four people, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the losses included epidemiologists and other health professionals…”

And now, the rest of the story....
Beginning Jan 6, CDC offered to assist China on three occasions; China refused assistance from all countries until Jan 28 when it agreed to allow a WHO team in for research and containment strategy.

However, on Feb 7:
For more than a month, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has been offering to send a team of experts to China to observe its coronavirus outbreak and help if it can.

Normally, teams from the agency’s Epidemic Intelligence Service can be in the air within 24 hours.

On Thursday, a W.H.O. spokeswoman said that there was no delay in the organization’s own mission to China.
“Our understanding is that the mission is on,” Marcia Poole, the spokeswoman, said. But she could not say when the team would leave or who would be on it.

The United States has offered Dr. Tedros 13 specialists who are ready to go, Mr. Azar said.

The two fields in which China appears to need outside help, experts said, are molecular virology and epidemiology.

The first involves sequencing the virus’s genome and manipulating it to refine diagnostic tests, treatments and vaccine candidates.

The second involves figuring out basic questions like who gets infected and who does not, how long the incubation period is, why some victims die, how many other people each victim infects and how commonly hospital outbreaks are occurring.

“This isn’t rocket science, it’s basic stuff — but it’s been five weeks and we still don’t know the answers,” one expert said.

China has greatly improved its ability to fight disease since it was embarrassed by SARS, and its scientists now frequently publish in major medical journals.

Many of them trained at the American C.D.C. and have friends there.

“We have a decade-long relationship,” Mr. Azar said Friday. “It’s not an accident that it’s called the Chinese C.D.C.” C.D.C. and W.H.O. Offers to Help China Have Been Ignored for Weeks

The WHO team was not allowed in until Feb 16 and contained two U.S. CDC representatives.
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“CDC has had a 30-year partnership with China CDC and close collaboration,” the U.S. agency said in a statement. “We had the right staff to engage China and ability to provide technical assistance were it requested.”

Scott McNabb, who is a research professor at Emory University following a 20-year career as an epidemiologist (meaning he studies this) for the CDC doesn't think that, if Quick's position still existed, it would've mattered due to the Chinese government's reputation for censoring information anyway.

“In the end, based on circumstances in China, it probably wouldn’t have had made a big difference,” McNabb commented. “The problem was how the Chinese handled it. What should have changed was the Chinese should have acknowledged it earlier and didn’t.”

Alex Azar, the Secretary of Health and Human Services, previously told CNN that he and CDC director Robert Redfield had made an official offer to put a CDC team into China during the first week of January 2020, but that they did not get permission to do so.

“Dr. Redfield and I made the offer on January 6th - 36 days ago, 60,000 cases and 1,300 deaths ago,” Azar said to the news organization on February 14. “We made the offer to send the CDC experts in to assist their Chinese colleagues to get to the bottom of key scientific questions like, how transmissible is this disease? What is the severity? What is the incubation period and can there be asymptomatic transmission?”

A team was allowed to go in on February 16, after the World Health Organization got them permission to do so. That team had two U.S. experts aboard. However, by that mid-February date, China had over 75,000 cases.

Because of all that, the CDC maintains that staffing decisions weren't the cause of the U.S.'s inability to learn about the virus prior to its worldwide outbreak.

Dr. George Conway, who is a medical epidemiologist who served as a resident advisor for three years and knows Quick, said that the position's funding was often debated because U.S. officials believed China should be funding their own training programs.
U.S. Reportedly Cut CDC Expert's Job in China Months Before Coronavirus Outbreak

In short, the implication that the CDC staff reduction mattered one iota is false.

 

[GAVol]

Exclusive: U.S. slashed CDC staff inside China prior to coronavirus outbreak
“The Trump administration cut staff by more than two-thirds at a key U.S. public health agency operating inside China, as part of a larger rollback of U.S.-funded health and science experts on the ground there leading up to the coronavirus outbreak, Reuters has learned. Most of the reductions were made at the Beijing office of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and occurred over the past two years, according to public CDC documents viewed by Reuters and interviews with four people familiar with the drawdown. … The CDC’s China headcount has shrunk to around 14 staffers, down from approximately 47 people since President Donald Trump took office in January 2017, the documents show. The four people, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the losses included epidemiologists and other health professionals…”

That story is from 3 weeks ago.

 

[luthervol]

Here's a simple ask - how many of those likes were from high school students who agree.

There are roughly 3.7 million high school seniors.

You always tell us that you favor what "society" chooses. Even if those 20K likes were all from high school seniors (which we know they are not) it would be less than 1/2 of 1% of graduating high school seniors.

Sit back and watch.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

 

[volfanhill]

Exclusive: U.S. slashed CDC staff inside China prior to coronavirus outbreak
“The Trump administration cut staff by more than two-thirds at a key U.S. public health agency operating inside China, as part of a larger rollback of U.S.-funded health and science experts on the ground there leading up to the coronavirus outbreak, Reuters has learned. Most of the reductions were made at the Beijing office of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and occurred over the past two years, according to public CDC documents viewed by Reuters and interviews with four people familiar with the drawdown. … The CDC’s China headcount has shrunk to around 14 staffers, down from approximately 47 people since President Donald Trump took office in January 2017, the documents show. The four people, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the losses included epidemiologists and other health professionals…”

What does that have to do with the CDC offering to send more people to help and being denied entry? What the hell does that have to do with anything I posted?

 

[NEO]

Haha....

"I have total authority"

(advisors whisper .... "well......ummm.......and are you sure you even want it?.......)

"I am handing over control"

Where the holy hell have you been?

 

[Weezer]

#blameChina

When that runs out, #blameWHO

Then of course there is #blameObama

#blamemedia

Who else can you blame so as to, as Trump says, not take any responsibility at all?

So you're saying ignore the evidence that China and the WHO misled the world just to score some political hit points in an election year?

 

[volinbham]

Sit back and watch.

I'll watch when another student asks the same of Trump and the media either ignores it or mocks it regardless of how many likes it gets.

Let's go back to those 20K likes - how many are from high school students do you think?

 

[GAVol]

I'll watch when another student asks the same of Trump and the media either ignores it or mocks it regardless of how many likes it gets.

Let's go back to those 20K likes - how many are from high school students do you think?

It’s comical. Luther is acting like it was some brilliant idea and Profile in Courage for somebody to tweet at a celebrity.

If he does it, great. But I doubt it will be the cathartic moment in time that Luther wants it to be.

 

[Weezer]

That probably has something to do with the fact that over 50% of the farm workers in California are undocumented. California grows close to 40% of America's produce. Unless you want California farmers throwing food away, this had to be addressed.

And veterans served this country, many putting their lives at risk. They shouldn't be forgotten. That's my problem with this. I'm not against reasonable humanitarian aid for illegals, but I am against forgetting our veterans.

 

[vols40]

Exclusive: U.S. slashed CDC staff inside China prior to coronavirus outbreak
“The Trump administration cut staff by more than two-thirds at a key U.S. public health agency operating inside China, as part of a larger rollback of U.S.-funded health and science experts on the ground there leading up to the coronavirus outbreak, Reuters has learned. Most of the reductions were made at the Beijing office of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and occurred over the past two years, according to public CDC documents viewed by Reuters and interviews with four people familiar with the drawdown. … The CDC’s China headcount has shrunk to around 14 staffers, down from approximately 47 people since President Donald Trump took office in January 2017, the documents show. The four people, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the losses included epidemiologists and other health professionals…”

Still pushing this 4 unnamed sources line I see. It didn't with this afternoon and is not going to work tonight

 

[Franklin Pierce]

 

[1972 Grad]

LOL

Student calls for Obama to deliver virtual address to America's Class of 2020 - CNNPolitics

1 damn student. F'n awesome.

The most ridiculous part of this is that CNN wrote a story about it. It's so perfect. Thanks for alerting us Luther!

This ground breaking story has two authors and one contributor from CNN - 3 people to write about what one high school student is thinking.

Where were they when I wanted Ozzy Osbourne at my commencement?

Is the student black or just suffering from white guilt?

 

[vols40]

It’s comical. Luther is acting like it was some brilliant idea and Profile in Courage for somebody to tweet at a celebrity.

If he does it, great. But I doubt it will be the cathartic moment in time that Luther wants it to be.

That's what's crazy. If President Obama is moved and actually does speak at this kids graduation it is a good thing. What a powerful moment.
I don't agree with much of anything he supports but he was the President.

 

[volinbham]

It’s comical. Luther is acting like it was some brilliant idea and Profile in Courage for somebody to tweet at a celebrity.

If he does it, great. But I doubt it will be the cathartic moment in time that Luther wants it to be.

More want Billie Eilish. But CNN wouldn't write a story about that.

Curious that no students are clamoring for Biden to give a virtual address...

 

[BeecherVol]

Here's a simple ask - how many of those likes were from high school students who agree.

There are roughly 3.7 million high school seniors.

You always tell us that you favor what "society" chooses. Even if those 20K likes were all from high school seniors (which we know they are not) it would be less than 1/2 of 1% of graduating high school seniors.

And I thought he posted some stupid ish in the gun threads.

 

[Weezer]

Exclusive: U.S. slashed CDC staff inside China prior to coronavirus outbreak
“The Trump administration cut staff by more than two-thirds at a key U.S. public health agency operating inside China, as part of a larger rollback of U.S.-funded health and science experts on the ground there leading up to the coronavirus outbreak, Reuters has learned. Most of the reductions were made at the Beijing office of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and occurred over the past two years, according to public CDC documents viewed by Reuters and interviews with four people familiar with the drawdown. … The CDC’s China headcount has shrunk to around 14 staffers, down from approximately 47 people since President Donald Trump took office in January 2017, the documents show. The four people, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the losses included epidemiologists and other health professionals…”

https://nypost.com/2020/02/03/china-has-yet-to-allow-cdc-in-country-to-help-with-coronavirus/

 

[vols40]

More want Billie Eilish. But CNN wouldn't write a story about that.

Curious that no students are clamoring for Biden to give a virtual address...

Students are racist?