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0nelilreb said:
The ones that screech about it are the ones that don’t want comparisons made . Keep that in mind when Trump is out of office and watch them reverse course . The whataboutisms after Trumps presidency is going to be off the chain .
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As I said in my last post, they scream whataboutism to avoid admitting the left engages in poor behavior as well and they have no desire to call it out. What has the left done to promote unity? Absolutely nothing. They push division just as much as Trump.

And all of this over tweets where Trump encourages Americans to assert their rights. Yet he's a dictator.
 
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0nelilreb said:
The ones that screech about it are the ones that don’t want comparisons made . Keep that in mind when Trump is out of office and watch them reverse course . The whataboutisms after Trumps presidency is going to be off the chain .
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Whataboutism is important because standards are important. It has no bearing on whether a decision or action is moral or right.
 
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DC_Vol said:
The people that bark the loudest about whataboutism aren’t shy about employing it. It’s one of the funniest things to me.

Personally, I think whataboutism matters. Nothing wrong with it.
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Indulge me in this fairly common scenario on "what-about-ism" as a means of defense:

Let's say "Weezer" is pulled over for speeding on I-40. A highway patrolman clocks him doing 85 mph on a 70 mph zone. "Weezer" tells the officer that, "A red Mustang passed me and he must have been going much fast than I ever was,". This is a common defense of someone in Weezer's position. It never works. The officer is still going to write that speeding ticket for Weezer every time.
 
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DC_Vol said:
I was thinking about your comment, and I want to make a follow up point.

The charges of “conspiracy theorist” and “denier” seem to be getting more prevalent, and it appears to me to be a tactic to shut down a discussion. Why?

It seems to me that the charge is permitted for anything that’s not commonly reported in the mainstream media. In this case, I’m questioning the effectiveness of the Coronavirus tests that were hastily rolled out en mass. I’m not trying to convince you the CIA has Elvis in the witness protection program.

What frightens you about that? Why would this particular statement get you all shook up?

The number of positives that are coming back for asymptomatic people is a red flag to me. I would like to understand how accurate these tests are.

Would you be surprised to learn that the tests had a high fault rate? Or that they were not administered or interpreted in the same way at each testing location?

I find it interesting and think these are post mortem questions that we have to nail to avoid similar repeats in the future.
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FYP- If you're gonna mention the King, you need an Elvis joke.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Indulge me in this fairly common scenario on "what-about-ism" as a means of defense:

Let's say "Weezer" is pulled over for speeding on I-40. A highway patrolman clocks him doing 85 mph on a 70 mph zone. "Weezer" tells the officer that, "A red Mustang passed me and he must have been going much fast than I ever was,". This is a common defense of someone in Weezer's position. It never works.
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Doesn't matter if the red Mustang didn't get caught, it was still wrong, right? I'm not sure how you can say something is morally wrong for one, but completely acceptable for the other. It was wrong for Trump to bang a porn star, but it was perfectly okay for Clinton to bang his chubby intern. How does that make sense?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Indulge me in this fairly common scenario on "what-about-ism" as a means of defense:

Let's say "Weezer" is pulled over for speeding on I-40. A highway patrolman clocks him doing 85 mph on a 70 mph zone. "Weezer" tells the officer that, "A red Mustang passed me and he must have been going much fast than I ever was,". This is a common defense of someone in Weezer's position. It never works. The officer is still going to write that speeding ticket for Weezer every time.
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That’s a pretty poor example.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Even on February 25th, Rush Limbaugh was outlandishly wrong to say that the coronavirus was of equal risk to the common cold.
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No, he wasn't. You do know coronaviruses cause as many as 30% of common colds? Were any other experts comparing it to the common cold or of less concern that the flu? Why, yes, they were.

"Compared to SARS and MERS, we are talking about a coronavirus that has a mortality rate of eight to 10 times less deadly to SARS to MERS," Nicholls said. "So, a correct comparison is not SARS or MERS but a severe cold. Basically, this is a severe form of the cold." John Nicholls, pathologist at U of HK https://www.accuweather.com/en/heal...will-burn-itself-out-in-about-6-months/679415
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Just another coronavirus
"2019-nCoV joins the four coronaviruses now circulating in people. “I can imagine a scenario where this becomes a fifth endemic human coronavirus,” said Stephen Morse of Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health, an epidemiologist and expert on emerging infectious diseases. “We don’t pay much attention to them because they’re so mundane,” especially compared to seasonal flu."

"Odds: Pretty good. What we may be seeing “is the emergence of a new coronavirus … that could very well become another seasonal pathogen that causes pneumonia,” said infectious disease expert Michael Osterholm of the University of Minnesota. It would be “more than a cold” and less than SARS: “The only other pathogen I can compare it to is seasonal influenza.”
Experts envision two scenarios if the new coronavirus isn’t contained
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Professor Jonathan Ball, virology professor and expert in emerging diseases, described how the virus could potentially circulate.

He told Express.co.uk: “I think COVID-19 becoming like the common cold or flu is exactly the kind of trajectory that this virus is likely to take.

“It will eventually become endemic, and that means it will just be part and parcel of the normal circulating viruses we get every winter, but by then most people will have seen it and have some level of immunity.” Coronavirus is here to stay and will become like the common cold That's on March 5.
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Dr. Charles Gerba, a professor of microbiology and immunology at the University of Arizona, told HuffPost he expects COVID-19 to pan out similarly to other coronaviruses, given that it’s spreading and “behaving a lot like the common cold coronaviruses.” Will coronavirus slow down like flu season?
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Limbaugh Feb 24:
RUSH: Folks, this coronavirus thing, I want to try to put this in perspective for you. It looks like the coronavirus is being weaponized as yet another element to bring down Donald Trump. Now, I want to tell you the truth about the coronavirus. (interruption) You think I’m wrong about this? You think I’m missing it by saying that’s … (interruption) Yeah, I’m dead right on this. The coronavirus is the common cold, folks.

The Drive-By Media hype of this thing as a pandemic, as the Andromeda strain, as, “Oh, my God, if you get it, you’re dead.” Do you know what the — I think the survival rate is 98%. Ninety-eight percent of people get the coronavirus survive. It’s a respiratory system virus. It probably is a [Chinese] laboratory experiment that is in the process of being weaponized. All superpower nations weaponize bioweapons.
 
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NCFisher said:
No, he wasn't. You do know coronaviruses cause as many as 30% of common colds? Were any other experts comparing it to the common cold or of less concern that the flu? Why, yes, they were.

"Compared to SARS and MERS, we are talking about a coronavirus that has a mortality rate of eight to 10 times less deadly to SARS to MERS," Nicholls said. "So, a correct comparison is not SARS or MERS but a severe cold. Basically, this is a severe form of the cold." John Nicholls, pathologist at U of HK https://www.accuweather.com/en/heal...will-burn-itself-out-in-about-6-months/679415
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Just another coronavirus
"2019-nCoV joins the four coronaviruses now circulating in people. “I can imagine a scenario where this becomes a fifth endemic human coronavirus,” said Stephen Morse of Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health, an epidemiologist and expert on emerging infectious diseases. “We don’t pay much attention to them because they’re so mundane,” especially compared to seasonal flu."

"Odds: Pretty good. What we may be seeing “is the emergence of a new coronavirus … that could very well become another seasonal pathogen that causes pneumonia,” said infectious disease expert Michael Osterholm of the University of Minnesota. It would be “more than a cold” and less than SARS: “The only other pathogen I can compare it to is seasonal influenza.”
Experts envision two scenarios if the new coronavirus isn’t contained
==============================================

Professor Jonathan Ball, virology professor and expert in emerging diseases, described how the virus could potentially circulate.

He told Express.co.uk: “I think COVID-19 becoming like the common cold or flu is exactly the kind of trajectory that this virus is likely to take.

“It will eventually become endemic, and that means it will just be part and parcel of the normal circulating viruses we get every winter, but by then most people will have seen it and have some level of immunity.” Coronavirus is here to stay and will become like the common cold That's on March 5.
==============================================

Dr. Charles Gerba, a professor of microbiology and immunology at the University of Arizona, told HuffPost he expects COVID-19 to pan out similarly to other coronaviruses, given that it’s spreading and “behaving a lot like the common cold coronaviruses.” Will coronavirus slow down like flu season?
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Limbaugh Feb 24:
RUSH: Folks, this coronavirus thing, I want to try to put this in perspective for you. It looks like the coronavirus is being weaponized as yet another element to bring down Donald Trump. Now, I want to tell you the truth about the coronavirus. (interruption) You think I’m wrong about this? You think I’m missing it by saying that’s … (interruption) Yeah, I’m dead right on this. The coronavirus is the common cold, folks.

The Drive-By Media hype of this thing as a pandemic, as the Andromeda strain, as, “Oh, my God, if you get it, you’re dead.” Do you know what the — I think the survival rate is 98%. Ninety-eight percent of people get the coronavirus survive. It’s a respiratory system virus. It probably is a [Chinese] laboratory experiment that is in the process of being weaponized. All superpower nations weaponize bioweapons.
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I get what you're saying, but how many people die from the common cold each year? I think that number is around zero.
 
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NCFisher said:
No, he wasn't. You do know coronaviruses cause as many as 30% of common colds? Were any other experts comparing it to the common cold or of less concern that the flu? Why, yes, they were.

"Compared to SARS and MERS, we are talking about a coronavirus that has a mortality rate of eight to 10 times less deadly to SARS to MERS," Nicholls said. "So, a correct comparison is not SARS or MERS but a severe cold. Basically, this is a severe form of the cold." John Nicholls, pathologist at U of HK https://www.accuweather.com/en/heal...will-burn-itself-out-in-about-6-months/679415
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Just another coronavirus
"2019-nCoV joins the four coronaviruses now circulating in people. “I can imagine a scenario where this becomes a fifth endemic human coronavirus,” said Stephen Morse of Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health, an epidemiologist and expert on emerging infectious diseases. “We don’t pay much attention to them because they’re so mundane,” especially compared to seasonal flu."

"Odds: Pretty good. What we may be seeing “is the emergence of a new coronavirus … that could very well become another seasonal pathogen that causes pneumonia,” said infectious disease expert Michael Osterholm of the University of Minnesota. It would be “more than a cold” and less than SARS: “The only other pathogen I can compare it to is seasonal influenza.”
Experts envision two scenarios if the new coronavirus isn’t contained
==============================================

Professor Jonathan Ball, virology professor and expert in emerging diseases, described how the virus could potentially circulate.

He told Express.co.uk: “I think COVID-19 becoming like the common cold or flu is exactly the kind of trajectory that this virus is likely to take.

“It will eventually become endemic, and that means it will just be part and parcel of the normal circulating viruses we get every winter, but by then most people will have seen it and have some level of immunity.” Coronavirus is here to stay and will become like the common cold That's on March 5.
==============================================

Dr. Charles Gerba, a professor of microbiology and immunology at the University of Arizona, told HuffPost he expects COVID-19 to pan out similarly to other coronaviruses, given that it’s spreading and “behaving a lot like the common cold coronaviruses.” Will coronavirus slow down like flu season?
==============================================

Limbaugh Feb 24:
RUSH: Folks, this coronavirus thing, I want to try to put this in perspective for you. It looks like the coronavirus is being weaponized as yet another element to bring down Donald Trump. Now, I want to tell you the truth about the coronavirus. (interruption) You think I’m wrong about this? You think I’m missing it by saying that’s … (interruption) Yeah, I’m dead right on this. The coronavirus is the common cold, folks.

The Drive-By Media hype of this thing as a pandemic, as the Andromeda strain, as, “Oh, my God, if you get it, you’re dead.” Do you know what the — I think the survival rate is 98%. Ninety-eight percent of people get the coronavirus survive. It’s a respiratory system virus. It probably is a [Chinese] laboratory experiment that is in the process of being weaponized. All superpower nations weaponize bioweapons.
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Limbaugh was still very wrong.... and you left out a portion of his broadcast where he said:

"Why do you think this is COVID-19?"

"This is the 19th coronavirus. They're not uncommon. This is coronavirus 19."

Of course, any idiot knows that COVID-19 stands for - "CO" for Corona, "VI" for Virus, and "D" for Disease. "19" refers to the year that it was first identified, "2019".
 
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Weezer said:
As I said in my last post, they scream whataboutism to avoid admitting the left engages in poor behavior as well and they have no desire to call it out. What has the left done to promote unity? Absolutely nothing. They push division just as much as Trump.

And all of this over tweets where Trump encourages Americans to assert their rights. Yet he's a dictator.
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Don't forget simultaneously the biggest idiot to ever swear in, and a criminal mastermind that has evaded Rosenstein's DOJ, Comey and Wray's FBI, Mueller's probe, and rabid House Democrats' impeachment by sheer luck of being so dumb.

I've come to think with all that going against, God himself must be for him. Otherwise, the poor thing wouldn't be able to feed himself.
 
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Weezer said:
I get what you're saying, but how many people die from the common cold each year? I think that number is around zero.
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People die of complications from common cold, much like compromised people die from C19.

The only point being made is that it was not crazy talk for Limbaugh's statement at the time it was made.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
.... you left out the most significant reason, and only included the ones which might be of benefit to your political agenda: THOSE PLACES HAVE A HELL OF A LOT MORE PEOPLE, AND THEY INCLUDE METROPOLISES.
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And major international ports. Put TN administration in any of those places and they’d still be getting hammered. No idea whether their admins would do as good of a job in TN.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Limbaugh was still very wrong.... and you left out a portion of his broadcast where he said:

"Why do you think this is COVID-19?"

"This is the 19th coronavirus. They're not uncommon. This is coronavirus 19."

Of course, any idiot knows that COVID-19 stands for - "CO" for Corona, "VI" for Virus, and "D" for Disease. "19" refers to the year that it was first identified, "2019".
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I could give two cents for how he thinks it was named, big deal.

I'm contending the point you made and the broader point the left has made a narrative of; whether Limbaugh, Trump, whomever - the timeline matters. Throwing out quotes without that context means squat and are mostly purposeful dishonesty.
 
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NCFisher said:
People die of complications from common cold, much like compromised people die from C19.

The only point being made is that it was not crazy talk for Limbaugh's statement at the time it was made.
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Based on the numbers we were getting from China in late February (and they were obviously fudging their numbers downward)... calling COVID-19 the common cold was crazy talk.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Based on the numbers we were getting from China in late February (and they were obviously fudging their numbers downward)... calling COVID-19 the common cold was crazy talk.
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Just go back and bump a couple posts from the first 10 pages of this thread where people on both sides were *****ing their pants. In January.

It didn’t become NBD until it threatened Trump’s re-election campaign.
 
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Weezer said:
They constantly avoid my questions of whether wrong is wrong or just wrong for one side.
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I've never avoided that question.
Wrong is wrong regardless of side.
And wrongness lies on a continuum.
Some wrongs are much worse than others.
The number of times one person is wrong can be much greater than the number of times another person is wrong.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You are going to have a hard time pinning this on Trump when people on both sides were unsure about wtf was going on.
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It's not hard. Somebody in his administration should have been all over it the minute anyone hinted that a new virus is emerging. If he would stay in his office instead of his golf courses he might be a little better informed. Trump failed the country. I just can't help but feel trump doesn't like to be bothered when he's relaxing.
 
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volfanhill said:
The coronavirus could kill millions of Americans: 'Do the math,' immunization specialist says

Multiple experts say up to 70% of Americans could be infected with the coronavirus and 1 million could die if no treatment is found — so people over 60 should 'stay home unless it's critical'

https://nypost.com/2020/03/17/coronavirus-could-kill-10-times-more-americans-than-cancer-in-2020/
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In fairness, these are mostly articles about people doing cocktail napkin math, not statistical modeling, with ballpark numbers of cases and mortality rates.

I didn’t read each one closely but still noticed most of them stated that those numbers of deaths would occur over a year and mentioned that that was a worst-case projection.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
In fairness, these are mostly articles about people doing cocktail napkin math, not statistical modeling, with ballpark numbers of cases and mortality rates.

I didn’t read each one closely but still noticed most of them stated that those numbers of deaths would occur over a year and mentioned that that was a worst-case projection.
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I agree. But the fear porn was out there on major news sites.
 
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