Latest Coronavirus - Yikes

[TennTradition]

I think we would see Flu confirmed deaths skyrocket if we tested for the Flu for every patient, every time, coming into a hospital or doctors office exhibiting 1 or any symptom of the Flu. We would also see those numbers skyrocket if we also gave 15% extra reimbursement for every positive Flu case. I still contend the 40K lab confirmed deaths is not a product of CV death, it is a product of increased focus of CV testing and the simple fact that we are looking for it. Test for the Flu they way we are testing for CV right now where everybody and their mother gets tested for a runny nose and the Flu is all of a sudden a pandemic. Seriously, how many sick people in hospitals right now would test positive for some trace amount of a Flu strain? Additionaly, how many would we feel confident saying have the Flu just based on case history?

Yes - CV death numbers can't be trusted. Heart attacks and car accidents are a small part, I agree. But they are there, and at this point we are looking for CV deaths in a way we aren't for the Flu or anything else. Simply looking for the cold virus or the Flu virus will make the numbers increase. So, what is the real story with CV?

I'm with you on parts of this but not others.

Looking for CV, testing more, and then counting those positive cases as deaths doesn't make CV numbers somehow worse than flu numbers. And you agree that the non-CV deaths shortly after a person tests positive for CV are going to be a small contribution to the total. So that isn't going to skew them. If the probable deaths were a big part of the total (let's say 20%), then I personally get more concerned about that. 10% or so is not that bad - but I've always taken the stance that I'd rather see the probable deaths where there was no test given placed in a separate category.

My comments about flu were not intended to try to discredit the flu death estimates. But rather, to ask why are we holding that up as a standard for CV? We have given as many CV tests in 6 weeks as we give in a flu season. Of course we also know there are a ton of people told to stay at home and don't come in for a test. And some of those also happen to be dying. But point is we are testing hard and trying to identify the CV cases and if those people die we are tracking that. Unless you are arguing that we are manufacturing positive tests so that in case those people happen to die of some other condition over the next few weeks we can get a paycheck at a certain hospital, then I'm not tracking with how this leaves us with an untrustworthy CV death number (was this payment in the stimulus bill or where does it come from? I hear about it on here all the time but have never read where the statute exists for the payment) - particularly when a modeled flu number that isn't as aggressively tested for is held up against it as a standard.

 

[hog88]

Are income taxes the only type of tax worthy or being returned to the payer?

Since we have the EITC apparently not.

 

[allvol123]

They are fine with it until they are told to not be fine with it. Plenty of "acceptable" deaths that dont cause an uproar.

Just a lot of people that have been trained to not really have to think for themselves.

 

[McDad]

I haven’t stopped working...... let’s open it back up

most of us here, haven't. Berry4heisman was laid off. Luther as a teacher may have altered employment. Maybe bham, too. DinkinFlicka. BowlBrothers.

As far as I know, most of us are still working.

ETA more people off work.

 

[Mick]

my wife would love to go back. I'd do it too since my risk is negligible. You cower at home

So irresponsible of you to say that. I have a mother I like visit and I don't want her to die because I went to a ballgame. Priorities.

 

[RikidyBones]

There're people so anti government all it takes is a whisper of government overreach for them to protest in the streets. Common sense would tell you not to do that during a pandemic but, as always, common sense takes a backseat to idiocy with those people.

Fyi It's not "those people" that lack common sense.

 

[RikidyBones]

So irresponsible of you to say that. I have a mother I like visit and I don't want her to die because I went to a ballgame. Priorities.

Then dont. That's your choice.

 

[allvol123]

most of us here, haven't. Berry4heisman was laid off. Luther as a teacher may have altered employment. Maybe bham, too.

As far as I know, most of us are still working.

So isolation has been isolated to teachers, entertainers, and school kids.

 

[Rickyvol77]

I'm with you on parts of this but not others.

Looking for CV, testing more, and then counting those positive cases as deaths doesn't make CV numbers somehow worse than flu numbers. And you agree that the non-CV deaths shortly after a person tests positive for CV are going to be a small contribution to the total. So that isn't going to skew them. If the probable deaths were a big part of the total (let's say 20%), then I personally get more concerned about that. 10% or so is not that bad - but I've always taken the stance that I'd rather see the probable deaths where there was no test given placed in a separate category.

My comments about flu were not intended to try to discredit the flu death estimates. But rather, to ask why are we holding that up as a standard for CV? We have given as many CV tests in 6 weeks as we give in a flu season. Of course we also know there are a ton of people told to stay at home and don't come in for a test. And some of those also happen to be dying. But point is we are testing hard and trying to identify the CV cases and if those people die we are tracking that. Unless you are arguing that we are manufacturing positive tests so that in case those people happen to die of some other condition over the next few weeks we can get a paycheck at a certain hospital, then I'm not tracking with how this leaves us with an untrustworthy CV death number (was this payment in the stimulus bill or where does it come from? I hear about it on here all the time but have never read where the statute exists for the payment) - particularly when a modeled flu number that isn't as aggressively tested for is held up against it as a standard.

the untrustworthy number comes from some hospitals and counties inflating even "unknown" deaths as definite COVID related when they aren't. They are doing this for COVID fed money

 

[McDad]

Since we have the EITC apparently not.

Take fuel taxes, for example. .40 per gallon in TN. About $6 per tank in taxes. I have 4 drivers in my household. We average one fill up per week. $24 x 50 weeks (rounded) = $1200.

 

[LouderVol]

Did you read the statute? I’m guessing “No”

Didnt find anything on criminally negilient homicide. Closest was involuntary manslaughter. 16-5-3. And that covers unlawful acts not felonies. I am failing to see where Kemp performed a misdemeanor which lead to deaths. So you got something I missed the first time around?

And curious why you would only apply culpability to the opening of states, and not to the closure.

 

[Volsfaninva917]

ESPN’s Kirk Herbstreit walks back doomsday coronavirus prediction for NFL, college football seasons

 

[McDad]

So irresponsible of you to say that. I have a mother I like visit and I don't want her to die because I went to a ballgame. Priorities.

don't go to the ballgame.
change clothes and wipe yourself down before seeing her.
wear a mask and gloves
see her from a distance of 6 feet.
facetime or skype with her.
call her on the phone.

 

[Mick]

I guess we should have just halted the revolution during the smallpox epidemic of 1775?

Our only enemy is the virus at this point in history. I'm sure they had a solid grasp of smallpox in 1775.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Didnt find anything on criminally negilient homicide. Closest was involuntary manslaughter. 16-5-3. And that covers unlawful acts not felonies. I am failing to see where Kemp performed a misdemeanor which lead to deaths. So you got something I missed the first time around?

And curious why you would only apply culpability to the opening of states, and not to the closure.

Not exactly brilliant legal minds here on the left side

 

[Rickyvol77]

So irresponsible of you to say that. I have a mother I like visit and I don't want her to die because I went to a ballgame. Priorities.

Then dont go to the ballgame wussy

 

[McDad]

So isolation has been isolated to teachers, entertainers, and school kids.

barbers and hairdressers.
massage therapists.
bar folks ....Dink is on furlough, too....forgot about him.

 

[allvol123]

barbers and hairdressers.
massage therapists.
bar folks ....Dink is on furlough, too....forgot about him.

Yea I was kind of including restaurants/bars in entertainers.

My point being I dont know if we've been as isolated as we thought. For sure some, but not complete.

 

[GordonC]

Our only enemy is the virus at this point in history. I'm sure they had a solid grasp of smallpox in 1775.

Cotton Mather "got it" several years before 1775.
Last part of the article.
Cotton Mather: Witches or Vaccines? | Passport Health

 

[utvolpj]

So irresponsible of you to say that. I have a mother I like visit and I don't want her to die because I went to a ballgame. Priorities.

Then make an educated, adult decision and don't go visit her. That's the part about protecting the most vulnerable. I am one of the least vulnerable

 

[luthervol]

ESPN’s Kirk Herbstreit walks back doomsday coronavirus prediction for NFL, college football seasons

You can take that to the high school level as well.
Zoom position meetings are getting a little monotonous.

 

[McDad]

Yea I was kind of including restaurants/bars in entertainers.

My point being I dont know if we've been as isolated as we thought. For sure some, but not complete.

i had to run to Lowes yesterday. This renovation a real pita. Anyhow, Lowes was packed at 3:00 Tuesday afternoon. I wanted Chick Fil A but waited until the end of my errands because the other two times I passed it, there was a double line stretching around the building.

Isolation my big fat hairy butt.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

barbers and hairdressers.
massage therapists.
bar folks ....Dink is on furlough, too....forgot about him.

Trying to get into a place for a haircut w/a waiting line of weeks will be a more horrible wait time.

 

[GordonC]

i had to run to Lowes yesterday. This renovation a real pita. Anyhow, Lowes was packed at 3:00 Tuesday afternoon. I wanted Chick Fil A but waited until the end of my errands because the other two times I passed it, there was a double line stretching around the building.

Isolation my big fat hairy butt.

Big fat hairy butts don't usually run to Lowe's. At least my big fat hairy butt won't. I'd be exhausted.

 

[allvol123]

i had to run to Lowes yesterday. This renovation a real pita. Anyhow, Lowes was packed at 3:00 Tuesday afternoon. I wanted Chick Fil A but waited until the end of my errands because the other two times I passed it, there was a double line stretching around the building.

Isolation my big fat hairy butt.

I heard something that said TN has been one of the worst in terms of reduced movement. Considering our numbers, that actually made me feel better.

I always want some CFA.