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Sea Ray said:
Some do, some don't. The facts show that the vax keeps people out of the hospital and unvaxxed people do sometimes get hospitalized. Just on this forum alone we have stories of people who came down with C19 and months later are still having symptoms. It sounds like these patients are not suffering that fate.

For me personally, if the vax keeps me from merely not losing my sense of taste for 4 months, it was worth it
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It’s a great diet plan. ( sarcasm )
 
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bamawriter said:
That's completely antithetical to everything I've ever read about vaccines. Heck, that's antithetical to everything I've ever read about the human immune system.
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So if you got sick with something you were immunized for it wouldnt be a shock to you, and you would think the vaccine was functional when injected?

We dont get polio. Period. Its not that we get minor cases and no one ends up on the iron lung so no one really cares. Polio was pretty much vaxxed out in this nation and most of the world. I know I did not receive a polio vaccine when I was young like my parents did. Why? Because it's gone. Heck polio is scary enough I wish I was vaxxed for it.

The MMR vaccine had similar impact. They are technically still around, and people get vaxxed, but people also dont get those diseases afterwards. Chicken pox and tetanus are the same. You dont get them. Yeah you may carry some around but are at no risk.

The flu is the only major exception, and as I understand it it's because it can "miss" and doesnt cover every variant of the flu. Not that it doesnt work.

@kiddiedoc can you weigh in? I, at least, am willing to accept your expertise on the matter if I am wrong.

Maybe there are a bunch of vaxxed I am not thinking of, or am just completely wrong. But my understanding was vaccine meant no sickness. Maybe sickness isnt the right medical term "impacted by the disease in a way that shows up as symptoms or being infectious to others" is how I am thinking about sickness.
 
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LouderVol said:
So if you got sick with something you were immunized for it wouldnt be a shock to you, and you would think the vaccine was functional when injected?
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No, it would not be a shock. I get the flu shot every year. 3 or 4 years ago I still got the flu, though it was really mild. I wasn't shocked that it happened.

We dont get polio. Period. Its not that we get minor cases and no one ends up on the iron lung so no one really cares. Polio was pretty much vaxxed out in this nation and most of the world. I know I did not receive a polio vaccine when I was young like my parents did. Why? Because it's gone. Heck polio is scary enough I wish I was vaxxed for it.
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Right. That's ultimately how a vaccine should help in developing herd immunity. While the vaccine itself doesn't eliminate transmission, it greatly reduces it to the point that the contagion burns out in the community. The polio vaccine was never 100% for each and every recipient.

The MMR vaccine had similar impact. They are technically still around, and people get vaxxed, but people also dont get those diseases afterwards. Chicken pox and tetanus are the same. You dont get them. Yeah you may carry some around but are at no risk.
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Again, not 100%. My niece got chicken pox after the vaccine. My mom got shingles after the vaccine. Even natural immunity is not a guarantee. You can get chicken pox twice, but it's very rare.

The flu is the only major exception, and as I understand it it's because it can "miss" and doesnt cover every variant of the flu. Not that it doesnt work.
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I think the issue with the flu is the rapidity at which it mutates. It's essentially impossible to stay vaccinated against it. At least, not with our current technology.
 
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LouderVol said:
So if you got sick with something you were immunized for it wouldnt be a shock to you, and you would think the vaccine was functional when injected?

We dont get polio. Period. Its not that we get minor cases and no one ends up on the iron lung so no one really cares. Polio was pretty much vaxxed out in this nation and most of the world. I know I did not receive a polio vaccine when I was young like my parents did. Why? Because it's gone. Heck polio is scary enough I wish I was vaxxed for it.

The MMR vaccine had similar impact. They are technically still around, and people get vaxxed, but people also dont get those diseases afterwards. Chicken pox and tetanus are the same. You dont get them. Yeah you may carry some around but are at no risk.

The flu is the only major exception, and as I understand it it's because it can "miss" and doesnt cover every variant of the flu. Not that it doesnt work.

@kiddiedoc can you weigh in? I, at least, am willing to accept your expertise on the matter if I am wrong.

Maybe there are a bunch of vaxxed I am not thinking of, or am just completely wrong. But my understanding was vaccine meant no sickness. Maybe sickness isnt the right medical term "impacted by the disease in a way that shows up as symptoms or being infectious to others" is how I am thinking about sickness.
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most every school still requires a polio vax - I know my graandson that is 2 had one --
What are the Childcare and School Polio Vaccine Requirements?
All 50 states and the District of Columbia (DC) have state laws that require children entering childcare or public schools to have certain vaccinations. There is no federal law that requires this.
CDC recommends that all children get four doses of inactivated polio vaccine (IPV), with one dose at each of the following ages:
  • 2 months old,
  • 4 months old,
  • 6 through 18 months old, and
  • 4 through 6 years old.
 
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Kroger here put thier freakin mask sign back up today -- I saw only 2 customers wearing one, oh and the deli was closed due to lack of employees, imagine that
 
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LouderVol said:
The flu is the only major exception, and as I understand it it's because it can "miss" and doesnt cover every variant of the flu. Not that it doesnt work.

@kiddiedoc can you weigh in? I, at least, am willing to accept your expertise on the matter if I am wrong.
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Yes, our current standard vaccines are designed to prevent infection and, in turn, transmission. Neutralizing antibodies work to block viral adhesion and replication and to kill bacteria. It is very uncommon to "catch" something you are vaccinated against. Obviously, none are 100% effective, often due to variance in the host immune response, but if most people are vaccinated, the phenomenon of herd immunity prevents the spread of infection.

And yes, you are also right about the flu vaccine. Due to the numerous assortments of the hemagglutinin and neuraminidase glycoproteins, we simply cannot immunize against every possible strain. The common flu vaccines used in the U.S. are quadrivalent, at this time, protecting against 2 "A" types and 2 "B" types each year.
 
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California is for nuts


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kiddiedoc said:
Yes, our current standard vaccines are designed to prevent infection and, in turn, transmission. Neutralizing antibodies work to block viral adhesion and replication and to kill bacteria. It is very uncommon to "catch" something you are vaccinated against. Obviously, none are 100% effective, often due to variance in the host immune response, but if most people are vaccinated, the phenomenon of herd immunity prevents the spread of infection.

And yes, you are also right about the flu vaccine. Due to the numerous assortments of the hemagglutinin and neuraminidase glycoproteins, we simply cannot immunize against every possible strain. The common flu vaccines used in the U.S. are quadrivalent, at this time, protecting against 2 "A" types and 2 "B" types each year.
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Thanks for this. I know it's impossible to say without hard data, but do you think with the success rate of the current Covid vaxes we would see Covid reach polio levels of cases in 30/40 years?

Or what would it take to say the vaccine was the difference in Covid "dying off". Obviously polio wasnt going away due to people gaining immunity the hard way. What would it take to say the vaccines for Covid had that same effect?

It seems like respiratory diseases dont have the same seasonal spanning "lifespan" the other disease do.
 
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508mikey said:
most every school still requires a polio vax - I know my graandson that is 2 had one --
What are the Childcare and School Polio Vaccine Requirements?
All 50 states and the District of Columbia (DC) have state laws that require children entering childcare or public schools to have certain vaccinations. There is no federal law that requires this.
CDC recommends that all children get four doses of inactivated polio vaccine (IPV), with one dose at each of the following ages:
  • 2 months old,
  • 4 months old,
  • 6 through 18 months old, and
  • 4 through 6 years old.
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I went to private school until UT, but without seeing my medical records I am 90% I didnt get the polio vax. Got plenty of others, just pretty sure I never got polio.
 
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Republican leaders are championing COVID-19 shots as red states struggle with vaccination rates and the Delta variant rips across the US

Sen. Mitt Romney of Utah told the New York Times on Wednesday that it was an "enormous error for anyone to suggest that we shouldn't be taking vaccines." "Look, the politicization of vaccination is an outrage and frankly moronic," he said.

Sen. John Cornyn of Texas said Wednesday that most vaccine skepticism was "based on conspiracy theories, unfortunately." Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky said Tuesday that "we need to keep preaching that getting the vaccine is important."
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508mikey said:
So why are blue states closing testing sites and opening everything with no masks ?
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They are closing them in red states too. It's a math equation. When 100% of the populace hasn't been vaccinated you need more testing sites then when 50% have been. This is not a difficult thing to understand.
 
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volfanhill said:
They are closing them in red states too. It's a math equation. When 100% of the populace hasn't been vaccinated you need more testing sites then when 50% have been. This is not a difficult thing to understand.
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Makes this delta thing look fake to people that aren't vaxed that's causing the problems
 
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LouderVol said:
Thanks for this. I know it's impossible to say without hard data, but do you think with the success rate of the current Covid vaxes we would see Covid reach polio levels of cases in 30/40 years?

Or what would it take to say the vaccine was the difference in Covid "dying off". Obviously polio wasnt going away due to people gaining immunity the hard way. What would it take to say the vaccines for Covid had that same effect?

It seems like respiratory diseases dont have the same seasonal spanning "lifespan" the other disease do.
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Honestly, I have no idea. If I had to guess (and immunity does prove to be rather durable), I would think that most places reach some form of herd immunity in the very near future, if they haven't already. We might then see periodic smaller "outbreaks" in areas that isolated and did not have many cases of natural infection and where there is a low rate of vaccination.
 
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