Leonard Little, Jamal Lewis, Joey Kent, and Johnny Majors at practice #1

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RockyTop22 said:
i saw Joey Kent said he wished he could be here but he had his sons first game today...
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Yeah, Kent wasn't actually there. Add Fred Lewis, Terry McDaniel, Patrick Lenoir, Robert Peace and Erik Ainge. There were many more but I didn't recognize everyone.

Edit: TD Woods too
 
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1972 Grad said:
I did not bring up anything bad about Lewis, nor have I commented, but looking at the world through orange colored glasses is sure evident on Vol Nation. Apparently, conspiring to possess with the intent to distribute 5 kilos of cocaine, and being sued by Regions Bank for an unpaid $660,000 loan are not to be held against you if you ever carried an egg shaped leather ball across a certain stripe on the field at Neyland Stadium, for which you were afforded 6 points towards helping your team win. If he had not helped the Vols win, or had done same in Tuscaloosa, he would be just an ex-con.
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So he doesn't deserve a second chance pretty much relays your very detailed message here.:crazy:
 
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92volalum said:
I know where u r coming from but little killed someone n Lewis was a drug dealer.. I loved them both while n orange but not sure they r the best to represent the orange at practice...imo
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Please stop talking like this. People who make mistakes in their lives still need a home and a family. That is what Tennessee is for them, as it should be.
 
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1972 Grad said:
I never said that I was a prosecutor. I just stated that it was a possibility as a response to some guy who accused me of being a Vandy fan. I'm not that either.
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So let me make sure I understand.

You were accused of being a Vandy fan, so instead of either ignoring that assertion (if untrue), or acquitting yourself of the accusation by simply stating that you are not a Vandy fan, you diverted the conversation by intentionally giving the impression that you might be a prosecutor for the government?

So when being called a name, you basically lied - or gave the impression that you might be something that you aren't (sounds an awful lot like a lie) - as a way to continue to criticize what you see as a lack of virtue in others?

Interesting conundrum you find yourself in.
 
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92volalum said:
I know where u r coming from but little killed someone n Lewis was a drug dealer.. I loved them both while n orange but not sure they r the best to represent the orange at practice...imo
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I think Jones picked some excellent people to come support the team at their first practice. Every single one of us has a stain on our record in some form or fashion. These men had it all - talent, skill, money, limelight - and made decisions that took it away from them. Who better to speak to the next generation of players than guys who wore the Orange, have been to the top, and know just how much is at stake when you play the game?

Little and Lewis may make one or two comments to a player that stick out in the kid's mind down the road and save him from some major heartbreak. They may offer a bit of advice that helps another kid succeed beyond his wildest dreams. Unless they're there, there's precious little opportunity for them to make their imprint on the players and the team.

This same type of thing saved my life in college - literally. Good move, Butch. I support it.
 
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1972 Grad said:
I did not bring up anything bad about Lewis, nor have I commented, but looking at the world through orange colored glasses is sure evident on Vol Nation. Apparently, conspiring to possess with the intent to distribute 5 kilos of cocaine, and being sued by Regions Bank for an unpaid $660,000 loan are not to be held against you if you ever carried an egg shaped leather ball across a certain stripe on the field at Neyland Stadium, for which you were afforded 6 points towards helping your team win. If he had not helped the Vols win, or had done same in Tuscaloosa, he would be just an ex-con.
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How many times did Jesus say that you should forgive. I believe it was 7 times 7 a day if thats what it took. I'm not overlooking Lewis's mistakes, but maybe he is trying to get it together. You sound like a better than thou Christian. Only forgive those who show up at church and put a few thousand in the plate. You are also a very negative person WWJD!!!!!!!
 
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1972 Grad said:
I did not bring up anything bad about Lewis, nor have I commented, but looking at the world through orange colored glasses is sure evident on Vol Nation. Apparently, conspiring to possess with the intent to distribute 5 kilos of cocaine, and being sued by Regions Bank for an unpaid $660,000 loan are not to be held against you if you ever carried an egg shaped leather ball across a certain stripe on the field at Neyland Stadium, for which you were afforded 6 points towards helping your team win. If he had not helped the Vols win, or had done same in Tuscaloosa, he would be just an ex-con.
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Well, the situation concerning the cocaine happened when an old acquantiance of Lewis' was busted by the cops. As part of a plea deal, he could turn in some of his buddies. So, being that Jamaal was a well known person and the cops would get a great deal of publicity over him, his so called buddy tried to set him up. He called Jamaal and asked for drugs and Jamaal was being recorded. The cops tried to make something out of nothing for publicity.

The situation with the un paid loan to Regions, I would assume that Jamaal is not a person with a good business aptitude. So, there are many athletes who fail as business owners. The list is very long...... I would guess that he borrowed the money in an effort to keep his trucking business afloat but it didn't work. He then did not have the money to repay the loan.
 
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Sale Creek Vol said:
How many times did Jesus say that you should forgive. I believe it was 7 times 7 a day if thats what it took. I'm not overlooking Lewis's mistakes, but maybe he is trying to get it together. You sound like a better than thou Christian. Only forgive those who show up at church and put a few thousand in the plate. You are also a very negative person WWJD!!!!!!!
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Forgiving 49 times a day has got to be hectic!
 
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Sale Creek Vol said:
How many times did Jesus say that you should forgive. I believe it was 7 times 7 a day if thats what it took. I'm not overlooking Lewis's mistakes, but maybe he is trying to get it together. You sound like a better than thou Christian. Only forgive those who show up at church and put a few thousand in the plate. You are also a very negative person WWJD!!!!!!!
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I don't go to church, and I'm not religious, but I do have a strong sense of right and wrong.
 
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daj2576 said:
So let me make sure I understand.

You were accused of being a Vandy fan, so instead of either ignoring that assertion (if untrue), or acquitting yourself of the accusation by simply stating that you are not a Vandy fan, you diverted the conversation by intentionally giving the impression that you might be a prosecutor for the government?

So when being called a name, you basically lied - or gave the impression that you might be something that you aren't (sounds an awful lot like a lie) - as a way to continue to criticize what you see as a lack of virtue in others?

Interesting conundrum you find yourself in.
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Smokey 0625 said "you are possibly a Vandy fan." I said "or a prosecutor with a strong sense of right and wrong." The key word here is POSSIBLY. I am POSSIBLY the King of Siam, too .

Are you a prosecutor, or just trying to act like one? I was stirring the pot. Possibly that is what you are doing.
 
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1972 Grad said:
I don't go to church, and I'm not religious, but I do have a strong sense of right and wrong.
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Jesus actually said someone should forgive someone "seventy times Seven" but he was speaking Metaphorically. In Jewish Tradition, the Number 7 is the Number of Perfection. Jesus as suggesting that you should always be open to forgiving those who wronged you. Just giving you some perspective and its something interesting to note. Its also relevant to the conversation since it was brought up.

In this case, I would be willing to give JL another chance as all people deserve when they go through the Justice System.
 
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1972 Grad said:
I don't go to church, and I'm not religious, but I do have a strong sense of right and wrong.
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You don't think we need to look at a black coach to help communication with a team made up of 90% black on the field. And now you don't think former players should be welcomed to where they feel home because they made some terrible life decisions.

I don't think you know jack **** about right and wrong and you have had so many discussions about how unfair the race issue is, I am beginning to think you are a closet racist. And that you have mentioned, "my neighbor is black" is more telling than someone who says they have 2 black friends during a debate.
 
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1972 Grad said:
Smokey 0625 said "you are possibly a Vandy fan." I said "or a prosecutor with a strong sense of right and wrong." The key word here is POSSIBLY. I am POSSIBLY the King of Siam, too .

Are you a prosecutor, or just trying to act like one? I was stirring the pot. Possibly that is what you are doing.
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Right and wrong, not so much...more like black and white. There is always gray in circumstances and both of these men are football experts and are being used in that capacity by BJ. They have had extraordinary success on the football field at UT and theNFL. I, however, would not suggest them as being head of the VFL program but that is not how they are being incorporated into practices.

These kids need to learn how to win like those ex players needed a second chance.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
You don't think we need to look at a black coach to help communication with a team made up of 90% black on the field. And now you don't think former players should be welcomed to where they feel home because they made some terrible life decisions.

I don't think you know jack **** about right and wrong and you have had so many discussions about how unfair the race issue is, I am beginning to think you are a closet racist. And that you have mentioned, "my neighbor is black" is more telling than someone who says they have 2 black friends during a debate.
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1) I never said that we didn't "need to look at a black coach to help with communication." I said that we should hire the best person for the job, regardless of race. Two totally different things.

2) I never said that "former players shouldn't be welcomed to where they feel at home." I merely pointed out Lewis' crime as a response to a question. I have no problem with him being at practice. I have a problem with fans who use them as role models.

3) When a person can't argue the point actually being made, they often fall back to using the race card, if it can possibly be worked into the response . You are about average.
 
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1972 Grad said:
Or a prosecutor who believes in right and wrong.
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Glad to see that you support felony disenfranchisement and do not believe in the rehabilitative nature of our criminal justice system. Apprantely no one who has ever messed up can be a productive member of society. Let's all send them to a penal colony!

Judge not lest ye be judged yourself....
 
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Vol logic said:
Right and wrong, not so much...more like black and white. There is always gray in circumstances and both of these men are football experts and are being used in that capacity by BJ. They have had extraordinary success on the football field at UT and theNFL. I, however, would not suggest them as being head of the VFL program but that is not how they are being incorporated into practices.

These kids need to learn how to win like those ex players needed a second chance.
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I have no problem with them being at practice. I do not think that they should be put on a pedestal because they played football at U.T. Fans need to keep things in perspective.
 
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