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sonofUT62 said:
Yes Luther. That was the year that the SC voted to desegregate. It took Bobby Kennedy and troops to enforce it, but it certainly wasn’t done by the creation of a “Department of Education “ in 1979.
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lol....It took more than Bobby Kennedy and troops to enforce it, it took the DOE.
If states did the right thing, there would be much less need for federal control.
If people did the right thing, there would be much less need for government.
If business did the right thing, there would be much less need for regulation.

That's the way it goes.
 
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luthervol said:
lol....It took more than Bobby Kennedy and troops to enforce it, it took the DOE.
If states did the right thing, there would be much less need for federal control.
If people did the right thing, there would be much less need for government.
If business did the right thing, there would be much less need for regulation.

That's the way it goes.
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Sell me. Tell me exactly why desegre was impossible with the DOE. Give me specific examples and what they did.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
Sell me. Tell me exactly why desegre was impossible with the DOE. Give me specific examples and what they did.
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Well for starters they specifically put incentives in place financially to compel them to not only integrate, but increase student achievement for marginalized groups.
 
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Majors said:
No. Numbers will be drastically different from each school. Valedictorian with a 4.6 GPA isn’t the same as a Valedictorian with a 4.0 or less.
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Might be. Grades may be assigned far more leniently at the first school.
 
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walkenvol said:
IMO, the biggest problem is the schools have lost much of their abilities to demand a standard level of behavior whereas 30+ years back if you were a criminal or a disruptive hellion either the assistant principal beat you into line or they sent you packing. The bottom 10% of behavior and bottom 10% of academic achievement kids get 80+% of the resources today. IMO
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I've always felt (sort of tongue in cheek) that the bottom 10% should be given vouchers good for the nearest private school. Then private schools could once and for all prove that they were superior.....and taxpayers could save a little money.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
Actually that picture was taken in 74. Still five years before the creation of the DOE.
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Do you not understand that the DOE was created precisely because so many states refused to do the right thing??
Hell, you even admitted TROOPS had to be brought in to force some state educational systems to do the right thing.
 
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hog88 said:
You don't have to clip the wings of the high flyers in order to give opportunities to the ones that have trouble getting off the ground.
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I don't know of anyone doing that. If they are, they need to do better.
But in my experiences, which are far greater than yours, it's not a big issue.
 
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Majors said:
So you believe those kids in West Knoxville with GPA's above 4.5 are subject lenient grading?
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I don't know anything about West Knoxville.
But I do know that a 4.2 at one school may not be the same as a 4.2 at another. Or that a 4.2 for one student may not be the same as a 4.2 for another student even at the same school. And universities know this also. There are multiple variables to consider.
 
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luthervol said:
I don't know anything about West Knoxville.
But I do know that a 4.2 at one school may not be the same as a 4.2 at another. Or that a 4.2 for one student may not be the same as a 4.2 for another student even at the same school. And universities know this also. There are multiple variables to consider.
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I gave you two different areas under the same school system. A 4.5+ GPA in West Knoxville isn't lenient grading. I agree, 4.2 GPA in West Knoxville isn't getting you Top Honors. But at a school of lesser resources in Knox Co. it might get you Top Honors.
 
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Majors said:
I gave you two different areas under the same school system. A 4.5+ GPA in West Knoxville isn't lenient grading. I agree, 4.2 GPA in West Knoxville isn't getting you Top Honors. But at a school of lesser resources in Knox Co. it might get you Top Honors.
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That's not my point. All 4.2s or 4.5s or whatever are not created equally and shouldn't be viewed that way. It's appropriate to use GPA as one variable, but only if it's one among many being considered.
 
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luthervol said:
That's not my point. All 4.2s or 4.5s or whatever are not created equally and shouldn't be viewed that way. It's appropriate to use GPA as one variable, but only if it's one among many being considered.
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Under the same curriculum by the same school system it should be. Should it not?

SAT/ACT scores would be the next criteria.
 
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mrorange211 said:
lol interesting perspective. You see people being held back. I see people getting an opportunity they don't get at home or anywhere else. It's also interesting that you think we are dumbing down the curriculum when students today graduate with academic knowledge on subject I only wish I had the opportunity to learn when I was 17.
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You believe students today are better educated than their predecessors?
 
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luthervol said:
Do you not understand that the DOE was created precisely because so many states refused to do the right thing??
Hell, you even admitted TROOPS had to be brought in to force some state educational systems to do the right thing.
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Yes and I asked you to explain weather they had done to improve the situation. Thankfully another poster picked up your slack.
 
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#197
mrorange211 said:
lol i agree and luckily that is not at all what's happening.
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I’m sure there are huge differences between schools and school systems. In my local schools I know that the faster learners are instructed to mentor the slower learners once the faster kids have completed assignments instead of presenting new materials to the fast ones. The schools and teachers are measured on the percentage of students who reach certain milestones and not on how far they can take their top learners. Therefore once the top learners have mastered a certain skill the teachers try to utilize them in order to help the slower learners reach the milestone. Again, it may not work that way in your local.
 
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luthervol said:
I've always felt (sort of tongue in cheek) that the bottom 10% should be given vouchers good for the nearest private school. Then private schools could once and for all prove that they were superior.....and taxpayers could save a little money.
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If you can’t keep pace or behave at a private school then they show you the door. That’s how they maintain their standards. They’re not in business to educate the underprivileged and less gifted. Not sure why any public school employees would not understand that.
 
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walkenvol said:
If you can’t keep pace or behave at a private school then they show you the door. That’s how they maintain their standards. They’re not in business to educate the underprivileged and less gifted. Not sure why any public school employees would not understand that.
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Indeed. Much of the advantage of a private school is that neither the teachers nor students are spending their time distracted by poor behavior.
 
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