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#76
#76
Rudy123 said:
Manning is the greatest because he has won 5 league MVP awards. To win a SuperBowl is a team effort; however, to win an MVP is an individual award.

If Trent Dilfer won 4 SuperBowls with the Ravens, would you then claim that Dilfer is the greatest because he won 4 SuperBowls, or would you say Manning was the greatest?

Also, look at the individual awards that Manning has won compared to Brady
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valid points.. and I agree with most. I guess it just comes down to what you think defines "Greatness". I look more at the post season others look towards the individual awards for the reg. season
 
#77
#77
topdog4tn said:
again taking nothing away from Montana...the man was cool and collective, but as far as being the talent that Marino, Elway, Manning, and such are...talent wise he is not in that same category. The West Coast offense with one of the greatest coaches ever and stellar defenses had a lot to help Montana get them rings as well. From a talent standpoint he's not the greatest 49er QB...Steven Young has that title.
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If you're going that route, then no, but being the GOAT isn't just talent either.
 
#78
#78
This isn't all on Manning and no rational person would say it is, this was a complete and utter destruction in every phase of the game. Though no rational person would free him of some blame either, he made some really bad throws and did not look good. I said before the NFC championship game, that the winner would win the Super Bowl. Those 2 teams are just more physically dominant than everyone else at this point.
 
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CTVolsfan14 said:
valid points.. and I agree with most. I guess it just comes down to what you think defines "Greatness". I look more at the post season others look towards the individual awards for the reg. season
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Since that guy was playing the "if" game. I wonder if Manning and Brady switched careers would the stats guys all of a sudden be Super Bowl guys? I would guess yes.
 
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#81
Aerie Vol said:
Switch Peyton to Belichick's Pats team for his entire career and he would hold at least 4 rings, maybe 5 or 6 by now. Brady may have gotten one with the Colts.

Belichick made Brady what he is. John Fox lost that game for Peyton last night. Broncos totally out-coached in nearly every phase of the game. Darth Bill would've put Carrol in his place, and I'm no fan of his.

AV
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This just shows how un intelligent people are. Belichick...the same dude who had a losing coaching record both in CLE AND NE before Brady..

Brady MAY have gotten 1 in indy? lol.. he MAY have atleast 5 rings if he had the roster peyton had. I don't talk opinion I talk facts. facts are peyton has played with more than twice the amount of probowlers Brady has
 
#82
#82
Brady loves the pressure and peyton melts under it. Brady is the greatest ever and Peyton isnt even the best Manning QB.
 
#83
#83
Rudy123 said:
Manning is the greatest because he has won 5 league MVP awards. To win a SuperBowl is a team effort; however, to win an MVP is an individual award.

If Trent Dilfer won 4 SuperBowls with the Ravens, would you then claim that Dilfer is the greatest because he won 4 SuperBowls, or would you say Manning was the greatest?

Also, look at the individual awards that Manning has won compared to Brady
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If that had happened, then maybe it would worthy of a discussion. But it didn't, so pulling hypotheticals into it accomplishes nothing.
 
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Aerie Vol said:
Switch Peyton to Belichick's Pats team for his entire career and he would hold at least 4 rings, maybe 5 or 6 by now. Brady may have gotten one with the Colts.

Belichick made Brady what he is. John Fox lost that game for Peyton last night. Broncos totally out-coached in nearly every phase of the game. Darth Bill would've put Carrol in his place, and I'm no fan of his.

AV
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Yeah, Peyton had those nobodies to throw to, like Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne in Indy, while Tom Brady had awesome receivers during his Super Bowl run, like Deion Branch and Troy Brown.
 
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KingNick865 said:
Yeah, Peyton had those nobodies to throw to, like Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne in Indy, while Tom Brady had awesome receivers during his Super Bowl run, like Deion Branch and Troy Brown.
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Again, you're boiling down an entire team's success to just the offense. Missing the point that those teams had vastly different caliber defenses.
 
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DeansRedHalo said:
Again, you're boiling down an entire team's success to just the offense. Missing the point that those teams had vastly different caliber defenses.
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So in the make believe scenario where PM is a Pat and Brady is a Colt. PM would be asked to do less while Brady would be asked to do more. So PM would probably have rings and Brady stats, would the argument for PM then become look at all the rings he has as opposed to the stat argument now?
 
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DeansRedHalo said:
Again, you're boiling down an entire team's success to just the offense. Missing the point that those teams had vastly different caliber defenses.
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Indianapolis average league defensive rank during Peyton's tenure (1998-2010) (yards allowed) - 14.4

Denver average league defensive rank during Peyton's tenure (2012-2013) (yards allowed) - 11.5

New England average league defense rank since Brady started for them in 2001 (yards allowed) - 16.9
 
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#90
BadJerry20 said:
So in the make believe scenario where PM is a Pat and Brady is a Colt. PM would be asked to do less while Brady would be asked to do more. So PM would probably have rings and Brady stats, would the argument for PM then become look at all the rings he has as opposed to the stat argument now?
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Probably. The rings argument is all people ever toss out when it comes to Brady. Obviously they can't pull stats or MVPs or reg season performance. So it's all about the postseason and the rings.

I don't advocate one stance over the other (caveat here that I prefer PM, but for a different reason), I think the whole picture is important to look at. Just saying "hey, this guy won a bunch of SBs" or "but this guy has great stats" isn't quite it.

I place Peyton as the current GOAT or at the very least top 3 because of what he did for the position. How he completely changed the position and the way offenses (and defenses for that matter) play in the highest level of professional football. Spent the majority of his career calling his own game with great success. For me, it's just looking at the impact a player's had on their position, their peers, the game overall...and then the fact that he has great stats, he's overcome what should have been career-ending injuries, he's a class act, and he has a ring (so all those chest-beaters can STFU about it).
 
#91
#91
Peyton is by far the most knowledgeable QB in the game. But when the games on the line, I'll take Brady to lead me downfield for the win.
 
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#92
#92
If anyone thinks Brady (as a Bronco...hell, even with his own team) could have won or came close to winning then you need some mental help..
 
#93
#93
Jeepkuntry said:
Peyton is by far the most knowledgeable QB in the game. But when the games on the line, I'll take Brady to lead me downfield for the win.
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The game was on the line? 29 points at the start of the second half thanks to great defense.
 
#94
#94
Jeepkuntry said:
Peyton is by far the most knowledgeable QB in the game. But when the games on the line, I'll take Brady to lead me downfield for the win.
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When the game is truly on the line, I'll take the coach on the sideline known for stealing the other team's signals.

Just sayin'.

AV
 
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#96
bamawriter said:
Total Fail.

"Again" would imply that he stopped.
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peyton may not be better than brady.but he is way better than nameth,stabler,and starr.and other than starr he has equal super bowl wins with nameth and stabler.a bama fan judging peyton.you sir are way out of your element.
 
#97
#97
CTVolsfan14 said:
I'm just legit wondering..i understand its the orange cool aid.. its just getting hard to keep making excuses for peyton over brady..thats all
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Brady wasn't there either and do you think if he was the QB of the Broncos last it would have made a difference? Seattle wrapped Denver in Peter McNeeley's coccoon of horror last night.
 
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thebjd said:
Brady wasn't there either and do you think if he was the QB of the Broncos last it would have made a difference? Seattle wrapped Denver in Peter McNeeley's coccoon of horror last night.
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Two thumbs up for the Hurricane reference. That was a bizarre press conference even by boxing standards.
 
#99
#99
Jeepkuntry said:
Peyton is by far the most knowledgeable QB in the game. But when the games on the line, I'll take Brady to lead me downfield for the win.
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You would be at home with the rest of the Patriots fans that root for Brady. The game was on the line two weeks ago and Manning beat him. Brady hasn't beat Manning in a playoff game in ten years.
 
#100
#100
garbear said:
Brady loves the pressure and peyton melts under it. Brady is the greatest ever and Peyton isnt even the best Manning QB.
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When was Brady's last Superbowl victory? When was the last time Brady beat Manning in a playoff game? What is Brady's record in his last two Superbowl appearances?
 
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