Manziel Being Investigated

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bamawriter said:
Lots of speculation about this. If the brokers were the leaks, then Manziel and his folks are incredibly dumb to risk pissing off the people who provided the improper benefits.
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what if they didnt provide benefits and they are just pissed their livelehood got messed up by the Manziel family copywriting "Johnny Football"
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
what if they didnt provide benefits and they are just pissed their livelehood got messed up by the Manziel family copywriting "Johnny Football"
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Then they would be taking a risk in scaring away potential product.

But let's be honest, these brokers aren't making up anything.
 
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bamawriter said:
Not zero. Maybe not enough, but certainly more than zero. When three different guys are making the same accusation, and a news outlet has seen a video, that's evidence.
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Well one guy has a criminal record so Im sure the others arent exactly angels considering they sell autographs for a living on ebay.
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
Well one guy has a criminal record so Im sure the others arent exactly angels considering they sell autographs for a living on ebay.
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Autograph brokers don't tend to be choir boys. Yet, Manziel seems more than willing to climb into bed with them.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Those capable to listening closely to conservatives will discover they're guilty of the same thing. Politics is like religious factions. Each thinks they are the guardians of what's considered true or the truth.
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Doesn't everyone? Everyone who believes something on any subject believe it because they think it's true. Are you proposing the above statement as the guardian of that truth?


WoodsmanVol said:
Each picks and chooses among ideas and interpretations of ideas, select a version to entrench themselves and demonize those who hold a different view or practice.
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Really? (Speaking of religious factions, of course) Pretty broad brush you're painting with. Note everyone picks religious views to enrich themselves and demonize others. (Edit: Sorry, I read that as enrich for some reason). Some live by:

Galatians 2:20 - I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me
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Luke 9:23 - And he said to all, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me.
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Matthew 5:43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
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And are you proposing that as a guardian of truth? In what ways are you not demonizing religious groups with this blanket statement?

(I respect your posts, WV. just thought I'd reply out of interest... lol)

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zach0105 said:
For ****'s sake. Not everything in life is about politics. Matter of fact very little in life is about politics.

But this is the issue with politics in general. It's all us vs. them, left vs. right, red vs. blue. There is no room for compromise because that is considered a loss and a loss is a let down to the lobbyist. However, the real losers are the American citizens because congress can't get a damn thing done.

/rant
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The "us" and the "them" usually breaks down at the idealistic level-- i.e. policy level. Congress actually gets a lot done, and some would argue that it's valid to try to stop the government from making bad policy.

Again, everyone believes their truth is the truth. Things get worse when the world tries to act like there is no truth, and just opinion.
 
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bamawriter said:
Then they would be taking a risk in scaring away potential product.

But let's be honest, these brokers aren't making up anything.
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If you're a broker who has done very little business with NCAA athletes, what's to stop you from doing a tell all?
 
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lawgator1 said:
I keep hearing this commentary about not having "proof" because there probably isn't a video of the guy handing JM a bag full of money.

Testimony from people who are in a position to know how it worked is enough. You don't have to have photos. This is so especially when someone signs 300 things in one sitting. Five things, maybe ten? Ok.

Not 300. That's shenanigans.
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Interesting you don't use this logic in the IRS scandal thread.
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
Lots of 19 y/o hang out in the wrong crowd, doesn't mean he is guilty
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In a general sense, I agree. But this particular crowd, one that spans the Eastern seaboard? It strains credulity to argue that he'd "hang out" with these guys for kicks.
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
Lots of 19 y/o hang out in the wrong crowd, doesn't mean he is guilty
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He's as guilty as OJ. NCAA just has to prove it. Put it this way, what kid is going to sit and sign, what, a 1000 pieces of memorabilia for $0? I'd just like to see the hookers they used to entice the boy.
 
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What annoys me is people that got onto Bray for his stupid stuff he did, but not Manziel. I guess if you win, it's just kids being kids, but if not your a punk. What bothers me the most about Maziel is how self centered he is. It is beyond any I have seen!
 
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KoachKletus said:
He's as guilty as OJ. NCAA just has to prove it. Put it this way, what kid is going to sit and sign, what, a 1000 pieces of memorabilia for $0? I'd just like to see the hookers they used to entice the boy.
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Um OJ murdered 2 people, this kid signed some autographs and maybe got some compensation
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