Mark Richt Fired

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LSU-SIU said:
He would be doing the AD a big favor at this point, that would get the AD out of the hot seat.



ESPN and other have to sell something. The AD has a black eye for sure, but to be honest I don't know if it was him. I would say the majority of fan probably wouldn't have even blinked if Les had been let go... minus the leaks.



Well, if the leak came from the AD, that was not good... but at the end of the day its business. Not sure much has really changed, I mean LSU got hours and hours of Les on TV, not sure what is so bad about that.

At the end of the day, things probably need to be shook up, the AD has definitely never played poker, most probably his job is on the line... he bet wrong. For the record, I think Les is a good coach... he is what he is... he fits to a degree, with that said, if they could have gotten Jimbo or Herman I would probably not have had any issue.

Les does deserve some of this heat, maybe he will take it and run as a positive going forward.
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the AD in this situation comes out looking like a puppet, nothing more. it's because NOTHING came from the AD, just booster meetings, that makes this sooo bad for LSU. the administration looks terrible b/c it appears they have no control. listening to the AD yesterday assert himself and assure everyone that this was all his doing, and his decision........psht. BS. they got painted in to a corner and had to keep him. plain and simple.
 
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jakez4ut said:
the AD in this situation comes out looking like a puppet, nothing more. it's because NOTHING came from the AD, just booster meetings, that makes this sooo bad for LSU. the administration looks terrible b/c it appears they have no control. listening to the AD yesterday assert himself and assure everyone that this was all his doing, and his decision........psht. BS. they got painted in to a corner and had to keep him. plain and simple.
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Its actually pretty simple, the boosters agreed to pay for Jimbo or nothing, essentially. Basically, a story was created by leaks, whether intended or not. The AD couldn't say 2-3 weeks ago Les was staying, why, because the intent was to get Jimbo.

A good portion of LSU fans wouldn't have blinked even if Les was let go a few weeks ago, this is just ESPN being ESPN for the most part. I actually thought it was cool how Les was portrayed and the team. Just adds to the wackyness of Les's legend. :crazy:
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Its actually pretty simple, the boosters agreed to pay for Jimbo or nothing, essentially. Basically, a story was created by leaks, whether intended or not. The AD couldn't say 2-3 weeks ago Les was staying, why, because the intent was to get Jimbo.

A good portion of LSU fans wouldn't have blinked even if Les was let go a few weeks ago, this is just ESPN being ESPN for the most part. I actually thought it was cool how Les was portrayed and the team. Just adds to the wackyness of Les's legend. :crazy:
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if they could have gotten Jimbo, and that's who they all wanted, then by all means, do it.

they may have actually been able to pull it off, except for the loose lips down there in Baton Rouge. they ultimately did more harm than good, the boosters got exposed (all the reports i heard was that they had the money ready for the buyout), and the administration kept it's mouth shut and let it play out. the AD kept quiet and was smart in doing so. if LSU had lost to aTm, they would have fired him, and it would have been justified, if they win, you keep him and it's justified.

it still made the administration down there look like they have zero power. they kept quite, and let the result make the decision. which, was smart given the situation.
 
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jakez4ut said:
it still made the administration down there look like they have zero power. they kept quite, and let the result make the decision. which, was smart given the situation.
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The AD does not look good but he never did, most fans would rather he had been let go for a while. :)

Les is a good coach and probably the best coach to play for, but with that said, I think more clauses should have been put into the last extension for a coach in waiting or at least a process.
 
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GAVol said:
Never seen a coach look so good at the presser announcing his firing. The AD was reserved by design, but came off overmatched.

Pretty clear that he'll coach again under the right circumstances. If I'm South Carolina, I throw the kitchen sink at him. How crazy would it be to go from Lou Holtz to Steve Spurrier to Mark Richt?
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I hate uga, but like cmr. I hope the best for him.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
The AD does not look good but he never did, most fans would rather he had been let go for a while. :)

Les is a good coach and probably the best coach to play for, but with that said, I think more clauses should have been put into the last extension for a coach in waiting or at least a process.
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LSU fans should learn two things here....
1. Miles isn't that bad. in fact, he's pretty darn good. is he Nick Saban? no, but there's not another one, and the closest thing to him, tucked tail and ran to Columbus OH.
2. your coaching job is not that attractive when the current HC who's won 78% of his games, multiple SEC titles, won a NT and played for another, is in danger of being rode out of town for over week, whilst being hung in the wind so the administration can "see what happens". like it or not, believe it or not, that job got devauled last week. not to say it's hot garbage, mind you, but a little luster got taken off for sure.
 
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jakez4ut said:
LSU fans should learn two things here....
1. Miles isn't that bad. in fact, he's pretty darn good. is he Nick Saban? no, but there's not another one, and the closest thing to him, tucked tail and ran to Columbus OH.
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I think he is good, doesn't mean a change can't be a good thing. Actually, 10-15 years is long enough imo. Les has been good for LSU, and LSU has been good for Les. Les isn't going to live or coach forever.

2. your coaching job is not that attractive when the current HC who's won 78% of his games, multiple SEC titles, won a NT and played for another, is in danger of being rode out of town for over week, whilst being hung in the wind so the administration can "see what happens". like it or not, believe it or not, that job got devauled last week. not to say it's hot garbage, mind you, but a little luster got taken off for sure.
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Same could be said for any school that gets rid of their HC, why should Saban go to Bama, why should Jimbo go to FSU, why should anyone go to UGA? Why would anyone go to USC?

The answer is simple, to win and earn big bucks. :) Why would LSU want a coach that didn't have high expectations, note I did not say unrealistic expectations. It has been expressed many times that the admin at LSU never said Miles had to win championships... the key is compete for championships... which to me is the right approach.

This would have been a good time to start fresh as far as where the program is imo, regression aside this year. There is no perfect time.... eventually you have to replace people. Les will not be in BR forever, neither will Saban be in Gump town forever. And Jimbo will be cut loose at some point as well just like Richt was.

I don't see it as a doom and gloom, nor do I see it as some type of golden brick road. The last contract for Les was in part a mistake, with that said, all is not lost... we'll see... that is why they play the games.
 
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the money is always going to be good, but in the case of Jimbo, there's not that much difference in quality of, well, anything between FSU and LSU. win NT's? check. Recruiting rich in state? check pick of litter on recruiting? check. facilities? check. national brand? check.

so if you're going after a guy of that ilk, it may very well come down to things like the administration, level of control boosters may or may not have, etc....things like that.

and if nothing else, the perception is the folks on the throne at LSU are puppets for the folks behind the curtains. that hurt Auburn for a long time.
 
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jakez4ut said:
the money is always going to be good, but in the case of Jimbo, there's not that much difference in quality of, well, anything between FSU and LSU. win NT's? check. Recruiting rich in state? check pick of litter on recruiting? check. facilities? check. national brand? check.
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At the end of the day, its not just a few people that wanted/wants a change, I would say a majority of the fans want some type of change and HC change is probably up on the list.

There really isn't anything too complex about this, Les needed to throw the wolves a few more bones here and there... this season should have been one of progression not regression.

10-15 years is probably long enough or close to it. I'm a Les fan, although I usually want to kick him in the nuts once or twice a game... he's a nice guy and a great player's coach. Some of this heat is partial caused by him as well, same could be said of Richt.

The pressure is always on, to me, don't be a coach at LSU making $5-6 million if you don't think you can do the job. It really is that simple, go coach at Vandy for a few million for a few years and wait for the call to get canned. (Sorry to the Vandy fans for that statement)

Les and Mark know the deal, they play the game as well, its called business. I would say Les came out of this super well, usually the media is throwing him under the bus. Strange.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
At the end of the day, its not just a few people that wanted/wants a change, I would say a majority of the fans want some type of change and HC change is probably up on the list.

There really isn't anything too complex about this, Les needed to throw the wolves a few more bones here and there... this season should have been one of progression not regression.

10-15 years is probably long enough or close to it. I'm a Les fan, although I usually want to kick him in the nuts once or twice a game... he's a nice guy and a great player's coach. Some of this heat is partial caused by him as well, same could be said of Richt.

The pressure is always on, to me, don't be a coach at LSU making $5-6 million if you don't think you can do the job. It really is that simple, go coach at Vandy for a few million for a few years and wait for the call to get canned. (Sorry to the Vandy fans for that statement)

Les and Mark know the deal, they play the game as well, its called business. I would say Les came out of this super well, usually the media is throwing him under the bus. Strange.
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well, we went thru this a few years ago with Fulmer. we got to the point where the majority finally knew a change was needed. the fans, the program all got sort of vilified for letting Fulmer hit the wind. and generally, that is the stance the media will take when a long time coach is ousted seemingly before his time....when Bowden got it, same thing, Mack Brown, same thing....talking about Paterno or Beamer being fired, same thing.

what made this different is that everyone that anyone talked to at LSU said he was fired. everyone except the person that would fire him. they had sources from boosters and the AD department all saying just a matter of time.

that whole situation was weird, and it just wasn't handled right, and i mean that from the stand point of correctness. fire les miles, sure, i'm good, especially if you can get THE GUY you want....go get him.

but do it already...didn't understand the week long tribulations, silence, and hand wringing about it. you wanna fire him, fire him. that's what was so weird about it.

whereas UGA, things had kind of cooled off a little bit, at least the serious chatter about Richt. the fans were hot. talk radio was speculating. but no one from UGA said a word. there were no booster meeting leaks.

the season ended, and the next day, they fired him. no drama, no frills. just DONE.
 
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jakez4ut said:
well, we went thru this a few years ago with Fulmer. we got to the point where the majority finally knew a change was needed. the fans, the program all got sort of vilified for letting Fulmer hit the wind. and generally, that is the stance the media will take when a long time coach is ousted seemingly before his time....when Bowden got it, same thing, Mack Brown, same thing....talking about Paterno or Beamer being fired, same thing.

what made this different is that everyone that anyone talked to at LSU said he was fired. everyone except the person that would fire him. they had sources from boosters and the AD department all saying just a matter of time.

that whole situation was weird, and it just wasn't handled right, and i mean that from the stand point of correctness. fire les miles, sure, i'm good, especially if you can get THE GUY you want....go get him.

but do it already...didn't understand the week long tribulations, silence, and hand wringing about it. you wanna fire him, fire him. that's what was so weird about it.

whereas UGA, things had kind of cooled off a little bit, at least the serious chatter about Richt. the fans were hot. talk radio was speculating. but no one from UGA said a word. there were no booster meeting leaks.

the season ended, and the next day, they fired him. no drama, no frills. just DONE.
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GA Southern taking them into overtime after the stories about Pruitt their DC surfaced sealed Richt's fate. Had the Dawgs blown them out he may have squeaked by another year, but it was decided before the Tech game he was gone.
 
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jakez4ut said:
what made this different is that everyone that anyone talked to at LSU said he was fired. everyone except the person that would fire him. they had sources from boosters and the AD department all saying just a matter of time.
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Well, the leaks did not help the situation, that is for sure but at the end of the day there is no easy route. Negotiations took place even into Saturday, there simply isn't much to talk about. Jimbo wanted big bucks, the boosters were not 100% onboard, the president finally brought it to an end.

that whole situation was weird, and it just wasn't handled right, and i mean that from the stand point of correctness. fire les miles, sure, i'm good, especially if you can get THE GUY you want....go get him.
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If Les had a short-term contract the options would have been easier, there simply is not much to this. The AD was attempting to get Jimbo, that didn't happen, without the boosters any other option was a no go. ESPN created a bunch of talk, heck most of the time they are the ones throwing Les under the bus.... you need stories.

I don't really see the issue (other than the leaks) but maybe I drank too much of the purple kool aid. The AD certainly couldn't come out in the public and say Les was safe last week, why? Because he wasn't, either way Les was getting paid.... oh the horror. lol
 
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People keep talking about Richt to Miami because he played there. I just don't see Mark and his family fitting in that city at this point in his life.

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Zues1 said:
People keep talking about Richt to Miami because he played there. I just don't see Mark and his family fitting in that city at this point in his life.

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I agree
 
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jakez4ut said:
LSU fans should learn two things here....
1. Miles isn't that bad. in fact, he's pretty darn good. is he Nick Saban? no, but there's not another one, and the closest thing to him, tucked tail and ran to Columbus OH.
2. your coaching job is not that attractive when the current HC who's won 78% of his games, multiple SEC titles, won a NT and played for another, is in danger of being rode out of town for over week, whilst being hung in the wind so the administration can "see what happens". like it or not, believe it or not, that job got devauled last week. not to say it's hot garbage, mind you, but a little luster got taken off for sure.
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Before I get started let me say I think Les Miles is a good coach, great coach NO!! Miles may have walked into the most fortunate situation in college football history. He replaced Nick Saban at LSU with a loaded roster. They immediately win the west in 2005 and the NC in 2007 (Saban recruits would have been juniors and seniors). Since then he has 1 more SEC Championship (2011) and lost a NC to Bama the same year.

I for one think he has had some very lucky breaks at LSU and since 2012 those breaks haven't been going his way. He fakes a FG by having the holder flip the ball over his head and the kicker goes in for a TD. Against KY they were beat but a 80 yard pass that was tipped by everyone in te stadium hits an LSU receiver in stride and they win as time expires. Dare I mention the 33 people on the field game against our beloved Vols??

For a program that is as loaded as LSU and has the recruiting base that they do in Louisiana, his success is very underwhelming. He can't develop a QB to save his life and I think the golden horse shoe has fallen out of his $$$. I do think LSU was smart to keep him but there are plenty of coaches out there that would ha e taken his rosters and won multiple NC's
 
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VolFootballnut said:
Kirby Smart has that job right now and I bet will be named head coach of UGA this week. I think he'll be an underachieving flop like the way Saban assistants usually are.
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Watched Finebaum this afternoon. I was distracted, so I don't remember who said it, but it was theorized that the timing of Richt's firing was directly related to the high probability that Smart would end up at USCe and they didn't want to risk losing him.
 
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