Mark Richt Fired

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jimallvol said:
I meant to say if LSU goes through with it. If I was Miles I would take the first offer that came my way. LSU didn't handle this situation right at all.
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The AD was stupid, if he did in fact leak that Les was on the hot seat. The way UGA did it was the right way, swift cut. With that said, exactly what school is going to pay Les $6-7m a year at age 62? I would be willing to bet not many if any at all.

If Les left LSU today, my bet, Tom Herman would have an offer within a few hours. This was not possible before as the buyout required the assistance of boosters. Les has been a good coach but I really don't see the difference between this and what Les did when Michigan and Arkansas came calling, its business.
 
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Richt attending the press conference leads me to believe there is more to the rumor of assistant AD. That would be a bad thing for UT. He would have a hand in picking the coach and keeping the recruiting class together. Firing a coach usually includes losing big recruits.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
Smart has been working for Saban for a long time. They've always been real tight. It has nothing to do with him not being able to land a head coaching job somewhere.
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Every defensive coordinator, with the exception of a few years for Bo Pelini, have not made good head coaches. Maybe Smart will break that trend but it has to be a concerning pattern for Smart. Look at Lance Thompson and Sal Sunseri out from under the guidance of Saban, neither has been impressive. There is a reason the defense does not drop off when he changes d-coordinators. There is also a reason his offensive coordinators have done pretty well when they leave Bama. It's pretty clear he controls the defense and allows his OC to run the offense.
 
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two things...you don't fire Les Miles or mark Richt w/out a plan B in place.....well you don't if you don't have Mike Hamilton as your AD....so........since Les is staying, what that tells me is two things...1. the public backlash in how they treated Les last week was a lot to overcome and made 2. it almost impossible for plan b to work right now. plan b, probably took a good long look and said thanks, but no thanks.....

so, for Richt, what's plan b? well, they've bought time since he's coaching the bowl game and may "stay on in some undetermined capacity". which tells me they're going after an established head coach who's season hasn't ended or coordinator equivalent. i wouldn't be surprised to see one of the Alabama Coordinators on the sidelines in Athens next season.
 
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jakez4ut said:
since Les is staying, what that tells me is two things...1. the public backlash in how they treated Les last week was a lot to overcome and made 2. it almost impossible for plan b to work right now. plan b, probably took a good long look and said thanks, but no thanks.....
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Plan A did not pan out i.e. Jimbo. Plan B was Les as a contract is in place. Of course, Les can find a new gig but I have serious doubts any AD other than LSU would pay him $6m+ a year at 62. This would most likely lead to LSU being able to have a Plan C which was not possible before, most probably Tom Herman.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
There is just as much risk that they won't hire a coach as good as Mark Richt. There is not a team in the SEC that hasn't blown a head coaching hire since 1990. Georgia has had the luxury of stability in the last 15 years. That is up in the air now.
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You can believe anything you want... but Richt has squandered more talent than anyone I can remember. He's a good guy by most accounts. He's a very good recruiter. But they changed the staff around him repeatedly in the hopes that it wasn't him... but it always was.

Not sure which blown lead you are talking about. I'm talking about the sum of his work.
 
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Remy said:
Fran Tarkenton bad mouthed the staff this year called them out and Richt lost control of his own staff. The good news, neither their OC or DC has any goodwill from the program, they're both gone with Richt. Whoever comes in starts from scratch, which is good for us short term.
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Like McElwain?

UGA is more talented overall than UF was at the start of this year. They have a lot more on O.
 
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sjt18 said:
You can believe anything you want... but Richt has squandered more talent than anyone I can remember. He's a good guy by most accounts. He's a very good recruiter. But they changed the staff around him repeatedly in the hopes that it wasn't him... but it always was.

Not sure which blown lead you are talking about. I'm talking about the sum of his work.
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The mistake was him givng up the playcalling... or at least not doing a better job of picking coordinators. They also whiffed big time on QB recruiting since Aaron Murray .
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Plan A did not pan out i.e. Jimbo. Plan B was Les as a contract is in place. Of course, Les can find a new gig but I have serious doubts any AD other than LSU would pay him $6m+ a year at 62. This would most likely lead to LSU being able to have a Plan C which was not possible before, most probably Tom Herman.
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either way, the public backlash was TERRIBLE for LSU. then they beat aTm, he's carried off the field.....

there was NO WAY they could fire him then, and if they did, do you want to be the guy that comes in and has to clean up the mess the administrators and boosters made?

uh, no, especially if/since Jimbo was the plan. as much as he may want to leave FSU, the way they handled all of that at LSU made it as unattractive of a job as it could possibly be.

Frankly, i wouldn't have been surprised if Miles had quit, Quanzo style.......
 
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jakez4ut said:
either way, the public backlash was TERRIBLE for LSU. then they beat aTm, he's carried off the field.....
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Not sure, I thought it looked great.

there was NO WAY they could fire him then, and if they did, do you want to be the guy that comes in and has to clean up the mess the administrators and boosters made?
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8-3 could be 9-3/8-4, there really is no mess. LSU should have a decent team whether Les or another coach comes in.

uh, no, especially if/since Jimbo was the plan. as much as he may want to leave FSU, the way they handled all of that at LSU made it as unattractive of a job as it could possibly be.
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If you say so, the only reason LSU doesn't have a new HC is the big buyout.... boosters wanted Jimbo or nothing. Without the big buyout, other than a select coaches... it would be no brainer.

Frankly, i wouldn't have been surprised if Miles had quit, Quanzo style.......
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He is lucky you are not his financial adviser, leaving $13-24m on the table... real smart, no way he makes even close to that at another school. The only thing that was bad was the leak, if that came from the AD that was pretty stupid, idk. The AD is on the hot seat to a certain degree.

At some point Les is going to have to be let go or no more extensions... nobody lives forever. As far as the last 2-3 weeks, the leaks did not help but no real easy way to let a coach that has been successful go early. The truth of the matter, LSU probably needs to improve, at some point, someone somewhere is going to held accountable.

I can't say all of this with Les and Mark is not justified, they make the big bucks, with the bucks comes the heat when things are not ideal.
 
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Never seen a coach look so good at the presser announcing his firing. The AD was reserved by design, but came off overmatched.

Pretty clear that he'll coach again under the right circumstances. If I'm South Carolina, I throw the kitchen sink at him. How crazy would it be to go from Lou Holtz to Steve Spurrier to Mark Richt?
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Not sure, I thought it looked great.


8-3 could be 9-3/8-4, there really is no mess. LSU should have a decent team whether Les or another coach comes in.



If you say so, the only reason LSU doesn't have a new HC is the big buyout.... boosters wanted Jimbo or nothing. Without the big buyout, other than a select coaches... it would be no brainer.



He is lucky you are not his financial adviser, leaving $13-24m on the table... real smart, no way he makes even close to that at another school. The only thing that was bad was the leak, if that came from the AD that was pretty stupid, idk. The AD is on the hot seat to a certain degree.

At some point Les is going to have to be let go or no more extensions... nobody lives forever. As far as the last 2-3 weeks, the leaks did not help but no real easy way to let a coach that has been successful go early.
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i didn't say it would have been a good decision to quit...just not surprised...:)

but if you watched anything to do with college football last week, the reaction to how Miles was treated last week was nothing short of anger towards LSU. virtually all of the talking heads on SEC network, ESPN etc....were using words like "shameful" & "embarrassing", as to how LSU was handling this situation. talk radio here basically called them all idiots for wanting him gone.

all i'm saying is that as that whole thing festered all week w/out any announcements other than the leaks he would be fired, it wasn't good. they had the money to get rid of him. but by the time Saturday night's victory happened, it turned into a pile of hot garbage that no one wanted to touch.

so les stays.

had LSU handled it's business like GA has, things would be different in Baton Rouge today.
 
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jakez4ut said:
two things...you don't fire Les Miles or mark Richt w/out a plan B in place.....well you don't if you don't have Mike Hamilton as your AD....so........since Les is staying, what that tells me is two things...1. the public backlash in how they treated Les last week was a lot to overcome and made 2. it almost impossible for plan b to work right now. plan b, probably took a good long look and said thanks, but no thanks.....

so, for Richt, what's plan b? well, they've bought time since he's coaching the bowl game and may "stay on in some undetermined capacity". which tells me they're going after an established head coach who's season hasn't ended or coordinator equivalent. i wouldn't be surprised to see one of the Alabama Coordinators on the sidelines in Athens next season.
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Stop saying Hamilton had no plan. He hired Kiffin before Fulmer's last game. The media was leaking it on Thanksgiving Day/Friday before the game and it was announced Monday morning. He didn't scramble around; he picked his guy and went after him. Kiffin leaving in January has nothing to do with Hamilton not having a plan when hiring him. It did affect his backup plan for Kiffin, who no one saw leaving.
 
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GAVol said:
Never seen a coach look so good at the presser announcing his firing. The AD was reserved by design, but came off overmatched.

Pretty clear that he'll coach again under the right circumstances. If I'm South Carolina, I throw the kitchen sink at him. How crazy would it be to go from Lou Holtz to Steve Spurrier to Mark Richt?
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you think he wants to stay in the SEC? lots of options out there....that would love to have him, and wouldn't have the pressure cooker environment of the SEC...maryland comes to mind?

or he could go save his alma mater....
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Stop saying Hamilton had no plan. He hired Kiffin before Fulmer's last game. The media was leaking it on Thanksgiving Day/Friday before the game and it was announced Monday morning. He didn't scramble around; he picked his guy and went after him. Kiffin leaving in January has nothing to do with Hamilton not having a plan when hiring him. It did affect his backup plan for Kiffin, who no one saw leaving.
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ok, then let's agree that it was a...bad...plan.
 
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jakez4ut said:
i didn't say it would have been a good decision to quit...just not surprised...:)
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He would be doing the AD a big favor at this point, that would get the AD out of the hot seat.

but if you watched anything to do with college football last week, the reaction to how Miles was treated last week was nothing short of anger towards LSU. virtually all of the talking heads on SEC network, ESPN etc....were using words like "shameful" & "embarrassing", as to how LSU was handling this situation. talk radio here basically called them all idiots for wanting him gone.

all i'm saying is that as that whole thing festered all week w/out any announcements other than the leaks he would be fired, it wasn't good. they had the money to get rid of him. but by the time Saturday night's victory happened, it turned into a pile of hot garbage that no one wanted to touch.
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ESPN and other have to sell something. The AD has a black eye for sure, but to be honest I don't know if it was him. I would say the majority of fan probably wouldn't have even blinked if Les had been let go... minus the leaks.

so les stays.

had LSU handled it's business like GA has, things would be different in Baton Rouge today.
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Well, if the leak came from the AD, that was not good... but at the end of the day its business. Not sure much has really changed, I mean LSU got hours and hours of Les on TV, not sure what is so bad about that.

At the end of the day, things probably need to be shook up, the AD has definitely never played poker, most probably his job is on the line... he bet wrong. For the record, I think Les is a good coach... he is what he is... he fits to a degree, with that said, if they could have gotten Jimbo or Herman I would probably not have had any issue.

Les does deserve some of this heat, maybe he will take it and run as a positive going forward.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Yes cause Hamilton saw Pete Carroll leaving in 13 months, knew Kiffin would end up at USC and hired Kiffin anyway
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Kiffin was a gamble hire no matter how you looked at it. they way it ended was not conventional, of course. but there were only two ways that hire was going to work....it was going to be a great success or an epic failure.

there was no in between on that.

keep in mind, i liked the hire. i liked Kiffin, and i thought he was what the program needed at the time, and had he stayed, i think we would have been the team that took control in the East.

but he didn't. TN was not his destination, and Hamilton didn't know that, or if he did, he didn't do anything to protect himself or the program. which goes back to how he vetted the whole thing to begin with.

there's no scenario that does't go back to Hamilton in regards to Kiffin.
 
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