Martin, Golden, and Motivation

[bleedingTNorange]

Benching a player that has issues in the mind( which martin admitted today) can often do more harm than good. IMO that happened with golden thus the reason he played poorly longer than any good player should in a slump.

Yea had nothing to do with an injury or possibly being upset about something in his personal life.

Like I said, golden has responded to the benching with the best 3 games of his career....I'm perplexed how you can question Martin's decision to bench him.

 

[whobethis16]

It does in the sense that benching a player is usually the last thing a coach can pull out of his bag of tricks. The benching issue I have really is more of an indictment of the failures that took place before that last ditch effort.

So it is Martin's fault the first attempts failed? That's like saying it is the teacher's fault that the first three explanations didn't work for one kid, even though they did for the other 29. And so the teacher tries others and it doesn't work, and then finally finds one that does. Teacher did everything correctly, it just didn't work. That's not the teacher's fault, nor is it the student's, just one of those things.

 

[BruinVol]

So it is Martin's fault the first attempts failed? .

Fair or not yes it's Marin's fault. Great coaches know what buttons to push and when to push them. Martin seemingly has no idea what buttons to push in the first 2/3 of the season.


Teaches are losing there jobs if thier students don't learn. So yes it's the same with coaches and teachers

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Fair or not yes it's Marin's fault. Great coaches know what buttons to push and when to push them. Martin seemingly has no idea what buttons to push in the first 2/3 of the season.

So 2 years is a good enough sample size for this? Year one he's trying to implore a completely different style, anyone who didn't expect a slow start was setting themselves up for disappointment. This year they start the year without their best player, once again if you didn't think that'd take an adjustment period that's your own fault.

I agree about next year though.

 

[whobethis16]

Fair or not yes it's Marin's fault. Great coaches know what buttons to push and when to push them. Martin seemingly has no idea what buttons to push in the first 2/3 of the season.


Teaches are losing there jobs if thier students don't learn. So yes it's the same with coaches and teachers

That's my point. They aren't being fired just because the students didn't get it the first time. Superintendents aren't looking at one test in October and firing the teacher because one kid failed it. Martin worked through it, and got Golden to where he needed to be. That shows true coaching/intelligence/whatever. He easily could've told him that he isn't coachable. But he didn't. He did what he had to do, while also looking out for the best interests of the team.

 

[whobethis16]

Fair or not yes it's Marin's fault. Great coaches know what buttons to push and when to push them. Martin seemingly has no idea what buttons to push in the first 2/3 of the season.


Teaches are losing there jobs if thier students don't learn. So yes it's the same with coaches and teachers

He could have benched him at the first sign of trouble with Golden, but didn't. He tried to work through it, but it didn't happen, so he had to make a decision. He chose to look out for the team and put Golden on the bench.

 

[BruinVol]

So 2 years is a good enough sample size for this? Year one he's trying to implore a completely different style, anyone who didn't expect a slow start was setting themselves up for disappointment. This year they start the year without their best player, once again if you didn't think that'd take an adjustment period that's your own fault.

I agree about next year though.

No 2 years isn't enough. That's why I am still very firmly in martins corner. I just hope he improves like all coaches do. Something is wrong and none of us are close enough to know exactly what those issues really are. My opinion here about golden is certainly formed from a far.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Something is wrong

what is so majorly wrong??

 

[BruinVol]

what is so majorly wrong??

Having an rpi higher than 100 at the end of January 2 years in a row sounds pretty wrong to me.

 

[zjcvols]

Obviously, BruinVol doesn't know what he's talking about and has not given us a solution as to how to fix Golden's inconsistency other than saying "Well, that's Martin's job."

Sound work.

 

[zjcvols]

"Hey guys. I know we are on a three game winning streak and just beat KY by 30 for the first time in school history, but I'm going to bump my own thread which didn't make sense to begin with and then continue not to make sense and base it on all on a eight word sentence the head coach said in the middle of a Monday press conference and then blame Martin's inability to make Trae Golden more consistent as the reason for us having an RPI lower than 100 in the middle of January, which was like a month ago. K? Thanks, bye."

 

[BruinVol]

Obviously, BruinVol doesn't know what he's talking about and has not given us a solution as to how to fix Golden's inconsistency other than saying "Well, that's Martin's job."

Sound work.

Yet no one in this thread can argue that golden was a huge failure before a few weeks ago this season. My solution to the problem is irreverent. The only solution that mattered is the one that martin tried for the first 2/3 of the year which was also a huge failure.

 

[zjcvols]

Yet no one in this thread can argue that golden was a huge failure before a few weeks ago this season. My solution to the problem is irreverent. The only solution that mattered is the one that martin tried for the first 2/3 of the year which was also a huge failure.

Golden wasn't a "huge failure" till he got hurt against Xavier. Golden ast/to ratio had improved from last year until that game.

 

[BruinVol]

"Hey guys. I know we are on a three game winning streak and just beat KY by 30 for the first time in school history, but I'm going to bump my own thread which didn't make sense to begin with and then continue not to make sense and base it on all on a eight word sentence the head coach said in the middle of a Monday press conference and then blame Martin's inability to make Trae Golden more consistent as the reason for us having an RPI lower than 100 in the middle of January, which was like a month ago. K? Thanks, bye."

I must admit I enjoy the "if we win out do we get in the tourney" thread for two years in a row. Maybe we can get a 3peat next year and need to sweep the last 10 games again. I am sure you experts will still have your heads in the sand and say nothing is wrong or worthy of discussion.

 

[BruinVol]

Golden wasn't a "huge failure" till he got hurt against Xavier. Golden ast/to ratio had improved from last year until that game.

Was it just the injury or a mind issue which Martin admitted was part of the problem as well???

 

[zjcvols]

I must admit I enjoy the "if we win out do we get in the tourney" thread for two years in a row. Maybe we can get a 3peat next year and need to sweep the last 10 games again. I am sure you experts will still have your heads in the sand and say nothing is wrong and worthy of discussion.

Wait, I thought we were talking about Golden?

Oh, know you are just *****ing about the team in general?

Ah, that's what we would call troll behavior.

 

[zjcvols]

Was it just the injury or a mind issue which Martin admitted was part of the problem as well???

Could it be the injury resulted in the mind issue i.e. losing confidence?

Oh my, what an original thought!

 

[BruinVol]

Wait, I thought we were talking about Golden?

Oh, know you are just *****ing about the team in general?

Ah, that's what we would call troll behavior.

There is no bigger indicator of our success than golden. As he goes we go. His devopment is very relevant when discussing our woes.

 

[BruinVol]

Could it be the injury resulted in the mind issue i.e. losing confidence?

Oh my, what an original thought!

Sure the injury could have been a factor that led to more issues that Martin felt the need to point out today.. It was martins job to know what buttons to push to make sure those issues didn't become a long term slump. That's exactly what happened and the point of my opinion here.

 

[zjcvols]

There is no bigger indicator of our success than golden. As he goes we go. His devopment is very relevant when discussing our woes.

Trae Golden freshman year: 13.3 mpg 2.2 apg/1.0 tpg 29.3/18.2/82.5 shooting line 1.3 FTA per game

Trae Golden sophomore year: 43.9/38.8/82.8 shooting line 4.5 apg/2.9 tpg 4.6 FTA per game, along with 32 mpg

Sounds like Martin "improved" Trae Golden, and Golden was having a better year before he got hurt.

You're trying so hard to find some mythical answer no one else has found when it's right in front of you.

Now, obviously, you aren't going to get this, and you still haven't provided any idea as to how a coach is supposed to make an inconsistent player consistent, so I'm done with this conversation.

 

[VolGee4]

IMO, the problem with Trae Golden is Trae. I will support him all day long because he is a Vol, but Trae has flaws. He is not a true PG, he does not consistently hit outside shots, and he can struggle with his runners and layups against long, good defensive teams. He is also slow, and it is tough for him to guard quick guards.

Trae is a great compliment player when you have a couple of others who get the focus. Hubbs should help him alot.

This is not a knock on him either. He can only do what his body allows him to do. I just wish CCM could have recruited a true PG, but that is what this team needs very badly. This team can go far with a PG who can handle, facilitate, and play defense.

Without a true PG, I don't know what else CCM could do. He has to preach consistency.

 

[GoobieVol]

I must admit I enjoy the "if we win out do we get in the tourney" thread for two years in a row. Maybe we can get a 3peat next year and need to sweep the last 10 games again. I am sure you experts will still have your heads in the sand and say nothing is wrong or worthy of discussion.

Guy, ask Tom Izzo if he gives a goat's turd what his team does the first half of the season. The good coaches get their teams to come together at the end of the season. So we were a little thin(in certain spots), young, and lack a lot of true scorers CCM's first few years.

What you shouldnt be able to argue(although we all know you will find a way) is that he seems to get his guys to gel and come together at the end of the season.
With an increase in talent will come an increase in consistancy throughout the season.

 

[BruinVol]

Now, obviously, you aren't going to get this, and you still haven't provided any idea as to how a coach is supposed to make an inconsistent player consistent, so I'm done with this conversation.

IMO golden is a fragile minded player. From my seat golden needs to be told that he is martins PG until he has no eligibility left. He needs to be given that kind of vote of confidence from martin. IMO the kind of player with mind issues needs to feel like his coach has complete trust in his skills. IMO he would have much shorter slumps if he knows his head coach supports him as the PG in this program as long as he is here.


There's my solution.

 

[BruinVol]

Guy, ask Tom Izzo if he gives a goat's turd what his team does the first half of the season. The good coaches get their teams to come together at the end of the season. So we were a little thin(in certain spots), young, and lack a lot of true scorers CCM's first few years.

What you shouldnt be able to argue(although we all know you will find a way) is that he seems to get his guys to gel and come together at the end of the season.
With an increase in talent will come an increase in consistancy throughout the season.

Sure Martin does a great job at the end of the year. The problem is Izzo wins enough early so that threads titled "if we win out do we make the tourney" arent posted on his teams fans sites. The talent point might be a good one if we were a young team this year but this teams problem was with its most experienced player

 

[GoobieVol]

IMO golden is a fragile minded player. From my seat golden needs to be told that he is martins PG until he has no eligibility left. He needs to be given that kind of vote of confidence from martin. IMO the kind of player with mind issues needs to feel like his coach has complete trust in his skills. IMO he would have much shorter slumps if he knows his head coach supports him as the PG in this program as long as he is here.


There's my solution.

Your solution sounds like the problem for these 18 and 19 year olds. These guys have had coaches, teaches, and students coddling them. A lot of college players have mind issues.

IMO the reason Golden got benched wasnt because of a mental issue. It was a effort on Defense issue.