Martin wants an extension and am sure a raise (rumor)

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bleedingTNorange said:
Who has made any sort of statement that would make you think CCM is on the hot seat? Those who have spoken with the AD say his seat isn't even the least bit warm, and barring a catastrophe next year he will get 4 years.
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When it comes to UT athletics I've learned not to believe anything that comes outta the AD. His seat is at least warm. If he has a third straight season of missing the NCAAT then his seat is on fire. Make the tourny and he gets his fourth season. All jmo.
 
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If he's putting 15k in the seats he should get a small raise.
Let him finish his present contract.
then make the big hire.
Patience is a virtue.
 
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johnnybravo said:
Hyams has also said on the Sport Source that if UT is not in the NCAA tourney next year that in his opinion he should be fired.

CCM is going into next season having to get to the tourney. All the media is saying it. It's all over the forums. UT season ticket holders will drop like crazy the following year with it being a rebuilding year if we do not make it to a tourney this coming year.

The writing is on the wall. CCM is on the hot seat. He does not have to be told or it does not have to be spelled out by the AD that he is safe. The last thing you want is the AD having to tell you that you are safe. If he says that, then there is a reason.
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It wasn't hyams or Rucker, I was being sarcastic to that poster because those are the 2 he told me said Maymon had staph...I don't put much faith in either of those 2 and what they know.

Rob Lewis is probably the most trustworthy and accurate person of the media....he has said multiple times that the vibe he gets from Hart is that Zo is safe and unless it's just a disaster next year he will get a 4th year. Quinn who also seems to be a bit more reliable than guys like Rucker has also said the same thing, that Martin's job is pretty safe according to the AD...he went on to say even that fans expectations and feelings aren't the same as Hart's and that Hart has pretty much said Martin's seat isn't even the least bit warm.

You can have your opinion and I can have mine, if we disagree so be it because there's no way for either of us to prove the other right or wrong seeing as how neither of us are Dave Hart. I'm going off what the most reliable media outlet has said multiple times, and his track record is pretty damn good with things like this. I have said it for awhile and so have a few others, given the financial situation of UT unless the wheels fall off I could very well see them giving Zo a 4th year to avoid a buyout and what not. I'm not saying that's the way it should be or that I agree with it, but from the things I've seen from people I trust on this situation that's what I get from it, I suppose time will tell.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
It wasn't hyams or Rucker, I was being sarcastic to that poster because those are the 2 he told me said Maymon had staph...I don't put much faith in either of those 2 and what they know.

Rob Lewis is probably the most trustworthy and accurate person of the media....he has said multiple times that the vibe he gets from Hart is that Zo is safe and unless it's just a disaster next year he will get a 4th year. Quinn who also seems to be a bit more reliable than guys like Rucker has also said the same thing, that Martin's job is pretty safe according to the AD...he went on to say even that fans expectations and feelings aren't the same as Hart's and that Hart has pretty much said Martin's seat isn't even the least bit warm.

You can have your opinion and I can have mine, if we disagree so be it because there's no way for either of us to prove the other right or wrong seeing as how neither of us are Dave Hart. I'm going off what the most reliable media outlet has said multiple times, and his track record is pretty damn good with things like this. I have said it for awhile and so have a few others, given the financial situation of UT unless the wheels fall off I could very well see them giving Zo a 4th year to avoid a buyout and what not. I'm not saying that's the way it should be or that I agree with it, but from the things I've seen from people I trust on this situation that's what I get from it, I suppose time will tell.
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I tend to believe this. These are usually $$ based decisions and there is absolutely no fiscal reason to fire him. Why take a positive (profitable basketball program) and turn it into a negative (paying a buyout, spending more on a new coach)? Cuonzo will be here at least 2-3 more years. If apathy sets in it's whole new ballgame though.
 
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VolMaster14 said:
When it comes to UT athletics I've learned not to believe anything that comes outta the AD. His seat is at least warm. If he has a third straight season of missing the NCAAT then his seat is on fire. Make the tourny and he gets his fourth season. All jmo.
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Your last sentence sums it up all just your opinion....volnation message board doesn't decide warm or hot or safe or not, that's the AD. The people who have spoken with the AD or those that work in the AD say they think he's safe and really isn't in any jeopardy of losing his job. I tend to believe what they say about this situation more than the emotional volnation posters. This isn't a shot at you, just saying what volnation posters think doesn't mean it's accirate or that that's how the AD also feels.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I tend to believe this. These are usually $$ based decisions and there is absolutely no fiscal reason to fire him. Why take a positive (profitable basketball program) and turn it into a negative (paying a buyout, spending more on a new coach)? Cuonzo will be here at least 2-3 more years. If apathy sets in it's whole new ballgame though.
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Exactly. A segment of our fan base does not grasp this. The pearl lovers are hoping Martin fails at the exact time so that Pearl can come back. But what they fail to realize is that Martin is very capable and isn't some hack that will get fired 3 years in. He's doing a better job than that now and I think he will continue to improve.
 
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calban said:
If he's putting 15k in the seats he should get a small raise.
Let him finish his present contract.
then make the big hire.
Patience is a virtue.
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This is what I've said...no extension but a small bump for good faith and to put him ahead of a guy like Barbee.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Giving coaches unwarranted extensions is what has gotten this place into money problems in the first place.

Sorry Martin, maybe next year.
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Wrong.
It's multiple firings and paying buyouts that drowned the system in debt.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
It wasn't hyams or Rucker, I was being sarcastic to that poster because those are the 2 he told me said Maymon had staph...I don't put much faith in either of those 2 and what they know.

Rob Lewis is probably the most trustworthy and accurate person of the media....he has said multiple times that the vibe he gets from Hart is that Zo is safe and unless it's just a disaster next year he will get a 4th year. Quinn who also seems to be a bit more reliable than guys like Rucker has also said the same thing, that Martin's job is pretty safe according to the AD...he went on to say even that fans expectations and feelings aren't the same as Hart's and that Hart has pretty much said Martin's seat isn't even the least bit warm.

You can have your opinion and I can have mine, if we disagree so be it because there's no way for either of us to prove the other right or wrong seeing as how neither of us are Dave Hart. I'm going off what the most reliable media outlet has said multiple times, and his track record is pretty damn good with things like this. I have said it for awhile and so have a few others, given the financial situation of UT unless the wheels fall off I could very well see them giving Zo a 4th year to avoid a buyout and what not. I'm not saying that's the way it should be or that I agree with it, but from the things I've seen from people I trust on this situation that's what I get from it, I suppose time will tell.
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Once again people are not giving credence to the fact Hart didnt hire Martin. He isn't going to give him a long leash and missing the tourney 3 straight years would bring us to an abrupt end to that leash. IF Hart does not extend Martin this year the it will be a small buyout when compared to the drop in attendance that will happen in year 4 of the Martin experiment because we can all agree that team is looking to have a very weak roster to say the least.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
It wasn't hyams or Rucker, I was being sarcastic to that poster because those are the 2 he told me said Maymon had staph...I don't put much faith in either of those 2 and what they know.

Rob Lewis is probably the most trustworthy and accurate person of the media....he has said multiple times that the vibe he gets from Hart is that Zo is safe and unless it's just a disaster next year he will get a 4th year. Quinn who also seems to be a bit more reliable than guys like Rucker has also said the same thing, that Martin's job is pretty safe according to the AD...he went on to say even that fans expectations and feelings aren't the same as Hart's and that Hart has pretty much said Martin's seat isn't even the least bit warm.

You can have your opinion and I can have mine, if we disagree so be it because there's no way for either of us to prove the other right or wrong seeing as how neither of us are Dave Hart. I'm going off what the most reliable media outlet has said multiple times, and his track record is pretty damn good with things like this. I have said it for awhile and so have a few others, given the financial situation of UT unless the wheels fall off I could very well see them giving Zo a 4th year to avoid a buyout and what not. I'm not saying that's the way it should be or that I agree with it, but from the things I've seen from people I trust on this situation that's what I get from it, I suppose time will tell.
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Unless Zo is bringing in a monster recruiting class for the 2014 season, if he misses on the NCAA next year he's gone. No way around it.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Your last sentence sums it up all just your opinion....volnation message board doesn't decide warm or hot or safe or not, that's the AD. The people who have spoken with the AD or those that work in the AD say they think he's safe and really isn't in any jeopardy of losing his job. I tend to believe what they say about this situation more than the emotional volnation posters. This isn't a shot at you, just saying what volnation posters think doesn't mean it's accirate or that that's how the AD also feels.
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Everything I post on here unless I'm just trying to be funny, is just my opinion. I'm not like some on here that pretend to be in the know, see that all the time on here. I ddon't even think Zo's seat should be hot but as I said earlier, I think it should be and will be if next season ends like his first two. I think Zo is a good coach and the past two seasons this team has shown flashes of being a team that can beat anyone. But if we can't make the tourny with Stokes, Maymon, Jordan, Golden and Hubbs then Zo probably isn't the guy for this program. Barring serious injuries of course. And I didn't take your post as a shot. You follow the basketball program much closer than I do so I respect anything you post about the team or coaches.
 
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OrangeInKy said:
I love Cuonzo. I hope he is successful at UT. I think he will be successful. Having said that, in no way should he get a raise or extension IMO. UT has to stop with the silly contracts/ buyouts. Get to the tourney next year and then talk
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No NCAA tourney = No Raise
 
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GiveHimSixGoVols said:
Once again people are not giving credence to the fact Hart didnt hire Martin. He isn't going to give him a long leash and missing the tourney 3 straight years would bring us to an abrupt end to that leash. IF Hart does not extend Martin this year the it will be a small buyout when compared to the drop in attendance that will happen in year 4 of the Martin experiment because we can all agree that team is looking to have a very weak roster to say the least.
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Extend him now or next year when he likely makes the tourney. He's not getting fired next year either way. It may actually be cheaper to give him a small raise now. I have no problem with him getting a small raise now.

If Martin makes the tourney in 2013, which is very likely, he will not be on the hotseat in 2014 when the roster gets blown up.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Extend him now or next year when he likely makes the tourney. He's not getting fired next year either way. It may actually be cheaper to give him a small raise now. I have no problem with him getting a small raise now.

If Martin makes the tourney in 2013, which is very likely, he will not be on the hotseat in 2014 when the roster gets blown up.
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Raise (small) yes.
Extension not an option.
 
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GiveHimSixGoVols said:
Once again people are not giving credence to the fact Hart didnt hire Martin. He isn't going to give him a long leash and missing the tourney 3 straight years would bring us to an abrupt end to that leash. IF Hart does not extend Martin this year the it will be a small buyout when compared to the drop in attendance that will happen in year 4 of the Martin experiment because we can all agree that team is looking to have a very weak roster to say the least.
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Show me proof or evidence that says Hart is gonna can Martin if he misses the dance next year, I'll wait...

What team is looking to have a weak roster?
 
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Let's hope Hart is smart enough not to give Cuonzo anything. Let him coach out his contract and let's move in a different direction.
 
#125
#125
No way CM deserves a raise/extension. You have to accomplish something first. If the team makes the tournament next year, then He should get a raise/extension. Losing to MTSU and Mercer in the early rounds of the NIT does not warrant a raise, IMO.
 
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