Martin wants an extension and am sure a raise (rumor)

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johnnybravo said:
There was no possible way that Dooley would have survived after last year if he beat Vandy or not. The only speculation I remember was which game he was going to get fired after.
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Once again choose to believe what you want but I heard that from a number of people...and the guys at VQ all were saying the same thing that Hart was exploring ways to keep him and he may very well have if thy beat Vanderbilt.

Agree or disagree you can't prove it right or wrong, just like you can't prove right or wrong what's gonna happen with Martin. You're a fan, not the AD and guessing you don't work for the AD, so it's your opinion...I'm going off people who have spoken with the AD directly and work for the AD. You can believe your opinion and I'll believe mine, like I've said 10 times agree to disagree...but neither of us can prove the other right or wrong no matter how many times you say if he misses he's gone that doesn't make it true.
 
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MannyD said:
This fanbase deserves another Wade Houston era.
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I'm always a little leery when someone makes a comment like this talking about their own fanbase. I guess it is because I have never heard someone in person talk about their own fanbase like that.
 
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Tux said:
Hart almost has to give Martin the extension. Otherwise, opposing teams will use the fact that Martin has only 3years left on his contract against UT in recruiting. Recruits don;t want to sign somewhere where they do not know who the coach will be in 3 years.

Due to financial issues at UT, Hart has no other choice lest he completely cripple the program
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rich4pres said:
I'm always a little leery when someone makes a comment like this talking about their own fanbase. I guess it is because I have never heard someone in person talk about their own fanbase like that.
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Why? People in this fanbase trash college athletes as if they're pros making money to play the game. Can't have it both ways.

For my sake, I don't want to have to endure another cycle of wade-ball. However, it's difficult for me to believe that some people in this fanbase ever really cared about the basketball program to begin with when they poor mouth the current staff / roster as much as they do. They'll relish in the success when we have a seldom in a lifetime coach like Pearl, but they're too ignorant about the sport of college basketball to realize that we currently have a coach with a lot of potential that needs a little time to get the program back to where it was a few years ago.

It's irrational to say that Cuonzo has to make the tournament next year or he should be fired. They either want it all or nothing. Therefore it seems appropriate that a fanbase such as this get a cellar dweller as a head coach. They'd be much happier. I'm looking out for their mental well-being.
 
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No way in hell does he deserve a raise or an extension. I heard some radio fool talk about how much more it will cost UT if he makes the tourney and then we try to retain him , How much is it gonna cost UT if he is what he has shown to be and we either suffer with mediocrity or have to buy out another coach. If CCM wants to have himself a bit of job security he needs to put a team with heart and integrity on the court and all will take care if itself. :loco:
 
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I don't think the discussion is about Pearl.l CCM has hasn't proven anything other than his teams have talent and play well when they feel like it. If UT negotiates in fear of losing Martin and give him more money and time and he can't cut it, we have another buyout or empty seats. Ut has been a bad gambler and needs to step away from the table here.
Volman1970 said:
I hope Coach Martin leave and win a championship somewhere else because some not all of the fans will always compare him wirh Pearl.Yes he won alot of games but he is the reason why we almost got hammered with sanctions too.
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tubuku said:
No way in hell does he deserve a raise or an extension. I heard some radio fool talk about how much more it will cost UT if he makes the tourney and then we try to retain him , How much is it gonna cost UT if he is what he has shown to be and we either suffer with mediocrity or have to buy out another coach. If CCM wants to have himself a bit of job security he needs to put a team with heart and integrity on the court and all will take care if itself. :loco:
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Wow at this thread. Seriously, wow. I would think some of the hardcore basketball fans could see the bigger picture. It's not like CCM has completely failed here. Overall, his team has been better than average. Now if next year's team has a great year and makes a good tournament run, he'll become a hot commodity. Then everyone saying he doesn't deserve a raise will be crying it's Hart's fault he didn't sign him to an extension this year. It's not like you have to give him a big raise, just enough to keep him loyal. I'm fairly certain CCM knows what's expected from him, so any sign of support from the AD would be a positive to him. Gotta inspire loyalty in your coaches, then step back and hope they succeed.

Simple question for those who know how NCAA coaching contracts work, are incentives not allowed? I never hear them mentioned. Could UT give CCM an extension and make part of it incentive based? X amount of dollars for winning the SEC, X amount if you make the tourney? Just curious. TIA
 
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patrick said:
Should CCM make more than a college bball coach with this record:

331 and 152

9 NCAA appearances out of 15 years as a head coach

7 conference titles.

or a coach with this record:

204 and 123

5 NCAA appearances out of 10 years as a head coach.

or this coach:

463 and 235

7 NCAA appearances out of 18 years as head coach of AA eligible team

4 conference titles.
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This question has different answers. If the coaches listed are coaching in power conferences then the answer is NO.

If these coaches are coaching mid major or lower then the answer is ABSOLUTELY.

Apples to oranges.

BTW.... I skimmed this thread, never found the names of said coaches. Please enlighten.
 
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I am going to be honest and frankly don't care what others think about this. Most will probably disagree.

But, I think he should get an extension but not a raise. I also think that any buyout provision should be left the same and obviously not adjusted up.

In this day and age, a 4 year contract is a key number to appease recruiting. Some may argue that it isn't, but it can be used to recruit against you.

Then, I tell him if progress is made next year (i.e. NCAAT), then we will have a gentlemen's agreement that we will discuss a raise. That is how I would handle it.
 
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^ I agree

I would give a small raise so he's getting fair market value for the conference...and I'd give an extension to 4 years, for recruiting purposes as you mentioned. I would leave the buyout as is, and as you said would tell him you have success next year and we will reevaluate the salary.
 
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patrick said:
Should CCM make more than a college bball coach with this record:

331 and 152

9 NCAA appearances out of 15 years as a head coach

7 conference titles.

or a coach with this record:

204 and 123

5 NCAA appearances out of 10 years as a head coach.

or this coach:

463 and 235

7 NCAA appearances out of 18 years as head coach of AA eligible team

4 conference titles.
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This is simple-minded in so many ways. If the world were static and there were no variables, then he should not be making more. But, it's not, and he's not.

He is still 10th in our conference, and he has finished 2nd and 5th. So, an argument can be made that he is well worth it.
 
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VolGee4 said:
I am going to be honest and frankly don't care what others think about this. Most will probably disagree.

But, I think he should get an extension but not a raise. I also think that any buyout provision should be left the same and obviously not adjusted up.

In this day and age, a 4 year contract is a key number to appease recruiting. Some may argue that it isn't, but it can be used to recruit against you.

Then, I tell him if progress is made next year (i.e. NCAAT), then we will have a gentlemen's agreement that we will discuss a raise. That is how I would handle it.
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This is a dicey situation for UT. It is a recruiting disadvantage to have a coach with no security. Winning cures recruiting and contract problems. He has to win this year. I'd have to tell him no extension until next season.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
^ I agree

I would give a small raise so he's getting fair market value for the conference...and I'd give an extension to 4 years, for recruiting purposes as you mentioned. I would leave the buyout as is, and as you said would tell him you have success next year and we will reevaluate the salary.
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Yep. I had been thinking about this after the season ended. I just wasn't sure about the details of his contract.
 
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MannyD said:
Why? People in this fanbase trash college athletes as if they're pros making money to play the game. Can't have it both ways.

For my sake, I don't want to have to endure another cycle of wade-ball. However, it's difficult for me to believe that some people in this fanbase ever really cared about the basketball program to begin with when they poor mouth the current staff / roster as much as they do. They'll relish in the success when we have a seldom in a lifetime coach like Pearl, but they're too ignorant about the sport of college basketball to realize that we currently have a coach with a lot of potential that needs a little time to get the program back to where it was a few years ago.

It's irrational to say that Cuonzo has to make the tournament next year or he should be fired. They either want it all or nothing. Therefore it seems appropriate that a fanbase such as this get a cellar dweller as a head coach. They'd be much happier. I'm looking out for their mental well-being.
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If those fans that you talk about actually didn't care like you say, they wouldn't be talking about the current staff at all. Tennessee basketball is not strong enough to have bandwagon fans currently. Everybody currently making any comments in the Tennessee basketball forum, whether I disagree with their comments or not, are diehard fans.
Besides, if you think Tennessee fans are acting any different than any other fanbase in the country you are mistaken.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
^ I agree

I would give a small raise so he's getting fair market value for the conference...and I'd give an extension to 4 years, for recruiting purposes as you mentioned. I would leave the buyout as is, and as you said would tell him you have success next year and we will reevaluate the salary.
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As BTO points out this is what absolutely must happen in this matter!! Go Vols!
 
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