Maybe the problem isn't with Jay Graham, Tee Martin, Vonn Bell...

#76
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mdrew27 said:
YAY!!!! Lets get some crappy replacement that will never compare to Jay!!!! I just love UT football. Maybe we can win six games next year and make that Nashville bowl game again!!!! I love UT so much I don't even care if we win, I just love to see our players run around in orange!!!! YAAAY!!!!
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Graham isn't the only great recruiter and running back's coach out there. Coach Jones tried to raise his pay...Graham declined. This isn't Coach Jones' fault. It's not like Butch left...
 
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champyvol said:
why not i've had to listen to people say how great dooley was for the last 3 years. knew he wasn't the guy. was alittle higher on jones till i saw his staff then well just don't see the upside.
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It's actually good to read this post. by the way. At least now you're admitting your tripe is all a big temper tantrum and not necessarily based in reality.

It's progress.
 
#78
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tnvols72 said:
I bet you were one of many that does not think BJ is impressive or can get the job done, are the same ones that thought Dooley was impressive and the man to get the job done here Tn.
Tell everybody who Tn should of hired.
If BJ turns this around you same people will be singing his praises.
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I just noticed his location states "crappy ohio" - he's just an all around glass half empty guy. Whatever. I just don't get how someone can, with a straight face, demand results when the opportunity to produce results hasn't arisen yet. All of this off-season stuff is instrumental in supporting the W-L columns, but THOSE are the results. Season hasn't started yet.
 
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mdrew27 said:
YAY!!!! Lets get some crappy replacement that will never compare to Jay!!!! I just love UT football. Maybe we can win six games next year and make that Nashville bowl game again!!!! I love UT so much I don't even care if we win, I just love to see our players run around in orange!!!! YAAAY!!!!
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:crazy::unsure:
 
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Orange_Crush said:
So, their "perceived failure" is an excuse for you to commit the same mistakes? Awesome. I'm going to add this to my list of ways to perform my job.

"Well, you see, here's how we fix that problem where Server X is sending bad data to all clients. We decommissioned Server X, but here's the kicker! We recode Server Y to ALSO send bad data to its clients!"

You want that job? Seriously. You're teaching me so much here.
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check back with me in december to admit you were wrong. schedule talent and coaching are all going against us this year.
 
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VolFan4Life87 said:
I just noticed his location states "crappy ohio" - he's just an all around glass half empty guy. Whatever. I just don't get how someone can, with a straight face, demand results when the opportunity to produce results hasn't arisen yet. All of this off-season stuff is instrumental in supporting the W-L columns, but THOSE are the results. Season hasn't started yet.
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Well he's got the crappy Ohio thing right at least...
 
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champyvol said:
i said dooley would be fired in 2 years, he went 3. if jones proves me wrong i will admit i was wrong, still don't change the fact that i'm not encouraged though. he should have done everything he could to keep jay. i won't be like the dooley lovers who never ate crow.
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My memory of at least half the "Dooley Lovers" were those who were saying that he needed time to be judged.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Don't cop out with a negation-by-generality. Give us a list of things CBJ should be doing right now, and how he's failing. I'll be intently waiting.
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He should have hired a coaching staff with coaches who are qualified to compete in the SEC. He should not have given huge raises to mid major coaches nobody else wanted. He should have hired guys who were proven recruiters in the SEC. He should not have made his most proven recruiter one of the lowest paid guys on his staff while giving huge raises to the aforementioned guys no one else wanted.

Orange_Crush said:
The opportunity to dissect irrational drivel. I promise, if your like wasn't here, I would be bored.
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Don't you mean, "the opportunity to constantly make excuses for whoever is in charge at UT"? I looked back through your posts. You were making the same excuses for Dooley at this time last year. "poor guy, inherited bad situation, reserve judgement, etc."


Orange_Crush said:
So, you're foregoing further analysis based on two very subjective criteria, with your expectations as the defining factors for success. You didn't consider extenuating circumstances, and you have no detailed knowledge of what went into the final results.

Awesome!
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Yeah, no one knows what will happen if you sign a bottom tier recruiting class and hire coaches no one else wants. Just like no one knew what would happen when you hire a guy who was a loser in the WAC. These things are so hard to predict.




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No. It doesn't. It's no more rational than making a snap positive judgment. You're making an irrational, emotional response, just as much as the people you're railing against.
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Nothing emotional about my response. I look at the facts and make a logical evaluation. My record has been pretty good so far. I would love to be wrong once, but I can't just pretend that a few cool quotes are more important than a top notch staff or great athletes.
 
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VolFan4Life87 said:
I just noticed his location states "crappy ohio" - he's just an all around glass half empty guy. Whatever. I just don't get how someone can, with a straight face, demand results when the opportunity to produce results hasn't arisen yet. All of this off-season stuff is instrumental in supporting the W-L columns, but THOSE are the results. Season hasn't started yet.
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ohio is crappy when you have lived in arizona and tennessee to. its cold and dreary.
 
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champyvol said:
check back with me in december to admit you were wrong. schedule talent and coaching are all going against us this year.
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So, you're back to the prognostications. You're talking now, about judging now because of what you believe will happen in the future.

Dynamite!
 
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oregonvol said:
He should have hired a coaching staff with coaches who are qualified to compete in the SEC. He should not have given huge raises to mid major coaches nobody else wanted. He should have hired guys who were proven recruiters in the SEC. He should not have made his most proven recruiter one of the lowest paid guys on his staff while giving huge raises to the aforementioned guys no one else wanted.



Don't you mean, "the opportunity to constantly make excuses for whoever is in charge at UT"? I looked back through your posts. You were making the same excuses for Dooley at this time last year. "poor guy, inherited bad situation, reserve judgement, etc."




Yeah, no one knows what will happen if you sign a bottom tier recruiting class and hire coaches no one else wants. Just like no one knew what would happen when you hire a guy who was a loser in the WAC. These things are so hard to predict.






Nothing emotional about my response. I look at the facts and make a logical evaluation. My record has been pretty good so far. I would love to be wrong once, but I can't just pretend that a few cool quotes are more important than a top notch staff or great athletes.
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Did you provided the AD with the millions needed for this?:hi:
 
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If any of you are expecting a 10 win season next year...just stop being a fan. You'll complain and whine as usual. Look, NO FAN is happy with how UT has been doing, but these are times where it tests your fanhood, do you stick with them no matter what like true fans? Or do you leave and bandwagon on a winning team? Complaining doesn't do anything. Tennessee will have growing pains this year...but who knows, maybe things will click, just wait and see. The ride to the top might be rough, but when we get there, it'll be worth it.
 
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johndoevol said:
Did you provided the AD with the millions needed for this?:hi:
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They spent millions on the current staff. What's your point? That they should spend millions on guys no one wants but not millions on guys who are wanted? Our staff makes alot more than the staff of Ole Miss.
 
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oregonvol said:
They spent millions on the current staff. What's your point? That they should spend millions on guys no one wants but not millions on guys who aren't wanted? Our staff makes alot more than the staff of Ole Miss.
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To get the coach and staff you wanted, many more millions than the ones available were needed.:hi:
 
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oregonvol said:
...maybe it's the guy in charge? I like alot of the stuff Butch Jones says, but you have to wonder when all these guys say their heart is here but choose to go elsewhere as a "business decision"...they've seen this program up close, maybe Jones isn't what we want to believe he is. Maybe there's a reason he can only get mid major coaches or guys no one else wants for his staff (and has to give them huge raises to do so)?Maybe there's a reason he can't sign any of the top recruits who visited? Maybe, when you see things close-up, you see no progress being made.
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It could be a couple of reasons. The player probably chose to go elsewhere because he is 18 years old , and the staff that he chose to commit to had a much longer period of time to develop a relationship. Jones had a month.

As far as our two former players choosing to leave or not come back to U.T., there could be a couple of reasonable explanations.

1) One is that they feel no loyalty to their school, because there are no familiar faces on the football staff, or the administration. Therefore, it isn't really the same place.

2) Another possibility is that, given the nature of the coaching business, they realize that they can, and probably will be let go within 5 years, no matter where they work. Therefore, they go where they can get the most money. There is no loyalty between coaches and schools, and vice versa. It isn't likely that they will get to coach at U.T. until retirement. The best way up the ladder may be to work under the most people, make the most connections possible.
 
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oregonvol said:
He should have hired a coaching staff with coaches who are qualified to compete in the SEC. He should not have given huge raises to mid major coaches nobody else wanted. He should have hired guys who were proven recruiters in the SEC. He should not have made his most proven recruiter one of the lowest paid guys on his staff while giving huge raises to the aforementioned guys no one else wanted.
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First, all you've done is give a wish list of what you, personally, would have liked to have seen happen, or not happen.

Second, the results of those decisions are yet to be seen.

Thirdly, those happened a while ago. You stated that there is "lots" happening in February that the coaches should be doing, that we can judge them for. What are they?

The above was a great, big fail. You let your keyboard write checks you can't pay.

oregonvol said:
Don't you mean, "the opportunity to constantly make excuses for whoever is in charge at UT"? I looked back through your posts. You were making the same excuses for Dooley at this time last year. "poor guy, inherited bad situation, reserve judgement, etc."
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Um... Because it's the appropriate response in this situation? I would rather consistently do things correctly than the way you do.

oregonvol said:
Yeah, no one knows what will happen if you sign a bottom tier recruiting class and hire coaches no one else wants. Just like no one knew what would happen when you hire a guy who was a loser in the WAC. These things are so hard to predict.
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First, there were a lot of people that wanted CBJ. Fail.

Second, no one does know what will happen. That's why we can't wait for football season.

You are projecting your own negativity into a future that is yet to happen. It's easy, but lazy, to forgo the process of analysis and make projections based on the outcomes of completely different factors.



oregonvol said:
Nothing emotional about my response. I look at the facts and make a logical evaluation. My record has been pretty good so far. I would love to be wrong once, but I can't just pretend that a few cool quotes are more important than a top notch staff or great athletes.
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johndoevol said:
To get the coach and staff you wanted, many more millions than the ones available were needed.:hi:
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Our staff is paid right alongside most of the top staffs in the SEC, so no. We could have gotten proven SEC caliber coaches for what we're paying the Zach Azzanis and the Mike Bajakians of the world. Heck we could have hired Ole Miss's entire staff for less, probably (they make quite a bit less now and whipped our staff's a$$ on signing day).

That said, it doesn't matter what the cost was. If you can't compete with the staff you have, then you're losing money anyway.
 
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