Maybe the problem isn't with Jay Graham, Tee Martin, Vonn Bell...

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oregonvol said:
...maybe it's the guy in charge? I like alot of the stuff Butch Jones says, but you have to wonder when all these guys say their heart is here but choose to go elsewhere as a "business decision"...they've seen this program up close, maybe Jones isn't what we want to believe he is. Maybe there's a reason he can only get mid major coaches or guys no one else wants for his staff (and has to give them huge raises to do so)?Maybe there's a reason he can't sign any of the top recruits who visited? Maybe, when you see things close-up, you see no progress being made.
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Can't believe it took till after 2 till a blame CBJ for everything thread...
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Let's hear your coaching resume, since you are so liberal in telling experienced coaches how they need to do their jobs.
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supersmo18 said:
Kinda like your personality. Very fitting.
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personality is negative just to the vols, it is what happens when they seem like they could careless if they win again or not. now my reds on the other hand i think can win the series this year. huge difference i will go to 4 or 5 reds games this year, but i'm not excited enough to drive to knoxville and watch the vols. i guess i just don't see what other people see.
 
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oregonvol said:
Our staff is paid right alongside most of the top staffs in the SEC, so no. We could have gotten proven SEC caliber coaches for what we're paying the Zach Azzanis and the Mike Bajakians of the world. Heck we could have hired Ole Miss's entire staff for less, probably (they make quite a bit less now and whipped our staff's a$$ on signing day).

That said, it doesn't matter what the cost was. If you can't compete with the staff you have, then you're losing money anyway.
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How are we not competing?

This staff moved the recruiting class up about 25 spots in three weeks.

They haven't played anyone yet.

More magic on your part? Or is there physics involved in this fortune-telling?
 
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oregonvol said:
Our staff is paid right alongside most of the top staffs in the SEC, so no. We could have gotten proven SEC caliber coaches for what we're paying the Zach Azzanis and the Mike Bajakians of the world. Heck we could have hired Ole Miss's entire staff for less, probably (they make quite a bit less now and whipped our staff's a$$ on signing day).

That said, it doesn't matter what the cost was. If you can't compete with the staff you have, then you're losing money anyway.
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good post
 
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oregonvol said:
Our staff is paid right alongside most of the top staffs in the SEC, so no. We could have gotten proven SEC caliber coaches for what we're paying the Zach Azzanis and the Mike Bajakians of the world. Heck we could have hired Ole Miss's entire staff for less, probably (they make quite a bit less now and whipped our staff's a$$ on signing day).

That said, it doesn't matter what the cost was. If you can't compete with the staff you have, then you're losing money anyway.
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Did you know that Ole Miss's staff was going to be good before they had a chance to prove themselves?. People did not expect much from them but they overachieved. Are you willing to give our current staff the same opportunity? if not, why not?
 
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champyvol said:
all i can say is check back in december, still not seeing much difference in dooley or jones.
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OK. Will you? I promise to (continue) to make no major judgments about this staff until then, if you don't.

You willing to eat your own dog food?

(The irony of your inference there was palpable...)
 
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Orange_Crush said:
First, all you've done is give a wish list of what you, personally, would have liked to have seen happen, or not happen.

Second, the results of those decisions are yet to be seen.

Thirdly, those happened a while ago. You stated that there is "lots" happening in February that the coaches should be doing, that we can judge them for. What are they?
The above was a great, big fail. You let your keyboard write checks you can't pay.



Um... Because it's the appropriate response in this situation? I would rather consistently do things correctly than the way you do.



First, there were a lot of people that wanted CBJ. Fail.

Second, no one does know what will happen. That's why we can't wait for football season.

You are projecting your own negativity into a future that is yet to happen. It's easy, but lazy, to forgo the process of analysis and make projections based on the outcomes of completely different factors.
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1. There was this thing called "signing day." You may have heard of it. We finished 11th in the SEC. It was bad.

2. I wasn't talking about Butch Jones. I was talking about the assistants. I was happy with the Jones hire, until it became apparent that he didn't want to upgrade any of his recruiters/assistants, just upgrade their pay.

I'm getting tired of going in circles with you, but I do have one question for you. Since you believe that Dooley improved the program...

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Will Dooley be successful? I hope so. Is the program in better condition now than it was when he got here? Yes.
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...and you don't see any failings with Butch Jones, how many more years do you think it will take before you stop excusing poor signing classes and mediocre results?
 
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jhen713 said:
Exactly, wait till Dec. Quit acting like he is a failure. The man hasn't coached a game yet.
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i did not say he is a failure, i just said he is running his mouth with little results. do i think he will fail thats a different story, all i can say is i hope he proves me wrong.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
OK. Will you? I promise to (continue) to make no major judgments about this staff until then, if you don't.

You willing to eat your own dog food?

(The irony of your inference there was palpable...)
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alright i'm in. hell i'll even eat some puppy chow if he wins 7 games it would be worth it.
 
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johndoevol said:
Did you know that Ole Miss's staff was going to be good before they had a chance to prove themselves?. People did not expect much from them but they overachieved. Are you willing to give our current staff the same opportunity? if not, why not?
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So, next signing day, if Butch's staff doesn't land a top 5class, are you prepared to declare them a failure? If they land a top 5 class (like Ole Miss), I'm willing to say I was wrong about them.
 
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oregonvol said:
1. There was this thing called "signing day." You may have heard of it. We finished 11th in the SEC. It was bad.
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Moving a recruiting class up about 25 spots in 3 weeks could be seen as a positive by some

oregonvol said:
2. I wasn't talking about Butch Jones. I was talking about the assistants. I was happy with the Jones hire, until it became apparent that he didn't want to upgrade any of his recruiters/assistants, just upgrade their pay.
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I'd say that was discussed by the other ADs that were trying to hire him.

oregonvol said:
I'm getting tired of going in circles with you, but I do have one question for you. Since you believe that Dooley improved the program...
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It's was pretty reasonable at the time to say that CDD left the program better than he found it.

That quote was before much of the negative about CDD came out.

My position then, compared to now, proves that I am willing to alter my position as facts present themselves. No?

oregonvol said:
...and you don't see any failings with Butch Jones, how many more years do you think it will take before you stop excusing poor signing classes and mediocre results?
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As he gives me reason to form opinions, they will be formed. That's a pretty radical position, I know.

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Orange_Crush said:
OK. Will you? I promise to (continue) to make no major judgments about this staff until then, if you don't.

You willing to eat your own dog food?

(The irony of your inference there was palpable...)
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you have to allow me one blow up post if jones hires roy manning though.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
How are we not competing?

This staff moved the recruiting class up about 25 spots in three weeks.

They haven't played anyone yet.

More magic on your part? Or is there physics involved in this fortune-telling?
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25 spots? Really? Based on whose formula? Not ESPN. What does 25 spots matter when you still finish behind Vanderbilt anyway? I get that you use national rankings to try to make it sound more impressive but this is the SEC, national rankings don't mean anything. Dooley could have finished ahead of Kentucky and behind Vanderbilt. Nothing impressive there.

And I love how you guys use the "3 weeks" argument to try to make it seem more impressive too. This staff had been hired nearly two months before signing day. Are you saying they only spent 3 weeks total working on recruiting? That during the dead period, they didn't do any work on it at all? Maybe that's what the problem was.
 
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oregonvol said:
25 spots? Really? Based on whose formula? Not ESPN. What does 25 spots matter when you still finish behind Vanderbilt anyway? I get that you use national rankings to try to make it sound more impressive but this is the SEC, national rankings don't mean anything. Dooley could have finished ahead of Kentucky and behind Vanderbilt. Nothing impressive there.
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rivals and 247 said they moved up that far

oregonvol said:
And I love how you guys use the "3 weeks" argument to try to make it seem more impressive too. This staff has been hired for nearly two months before signing day. Are you saying they only spent 3 weeks total working on recruiting? That during the dead period, they didn't do any work on it at all? Maybe that's what the problem was.
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they had 31 days to contact recruits and rebuild months/years of neglect by the previous staff. Why you won't acknowledge this is beyond me but it happened
 
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