Mike Leach has been forced to walk the plank

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99bubble said:
I think you are dead on with this. That poor kid took it too far and I can't see how this is true. Even 'ol Holtzy got it right last night when he said "guy's been there 10 years and this is the first time this happened? I need more information before commenting on this", Yet, TT goes ahead and fires him. They look scared to death with that move.
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Tech fired him for suing them.
 
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99bubble said:
I think you are dead on with this. That poor kid took it too far and I can't see how this is true. Even 'ol Holtzy got it right last night when he said "guy's been there 10 years and this is the first time this happened? I need more information before commenting on this", Yet, TT goes ahead and fires him. They look scared to death with that move.
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Why would they be scared to death, this was about a coach and and administration that did not see eye to eye. Leach was going to jump on the first decent upper tier D-1 offer anyway. The school is free of Leach and he is free to seek greener pastures, they both get what they really wanted.

Leach seeking the injunction was about trying to collect on the 800K and the school quickly responded by terminating him after doing so. If Leach is a victim here he is a victim of a circumstance he allowed to be created. The kid and his father have blown this out of proportion, of that I have no doubt but Leach tried to make a point with a problem player. Pretty stupid all the way around if you ask me.
 
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bam15 said:
Why? The offense he runs is just the West Coast on Steroids, just about every play is out of the Norm Chow/Lavell Edwards playbook.
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NFL teams don't throw 60 times a game. They have offensive lines with normal splits. They have running games and receivers that run actual routes. Leach's spread is about as far from the NFL as you can get, and the fact that all of its quarterbacks (Kingsbury, Harrell, Couch) have completely flopped in the League is a clue to that fact.
 
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VKAman said:
NFL teams don't throw 60 times a game. They have offensive lines with normal splits. They have running games and receivers that run actual routes. Leach's spread is about as far from the NFL as you can get, and the fact that all of its quarterbacks (Kingsbury, Harrell, Couch) have completely flopped in the League is a clue to that fact.
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I don't understand what you mean, the throwing 60 times a game and splits are understandable, but the only reason Leach does that is because of Anae who is now at BYU. UK never had huge splits, and System Clients[Franklin] don't either. However Leach makes up for the splits with Vertical Set Blocking, which effectively gives the offense an advantage. NFL offenses are all the same, and that is thanks to Coaching Incest, and when any coach tries to ruin their party they are quickly portrayed as radical [Run and Shoot]. The plays and routes that Air Raid offenses run are the same EXACT plays that Chow and Edwards ran, which is who LANE KIFFIN studied under. Chow and Edwards derived most of their plays from the West Coast Offense, something that never worked in the NFL... right?
 
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bam15 said:
I don't understand what you mean, the throwing 60 times a game and splits are understandable, but the only reason Leach does that is because of Anae who is now at BYU. UK never had huge splits, and System Clients[Franklin] don't either. However Leach makes up for the splits with Vertical Set Blocking, which effectively gives the offense an advantage. NFL offenses are all the same, and that is thanks to Coaching Incest, and when any coach tries to ruin their party they are quickly portrayed as radical [Run and Shoot]. The plays and routes that Air Raid offenses run are the same EXACT plays that Chow and Edwards ran, which is who LANE KIFFIN studied under. Chow and Edwards derived most of their plays from the West Coast Offense, something that never worked in the NFL... right?
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If you're suggesting that Leach's offense at Texas Tech is even remotely similar to Chow's (and Kiffin's) at USC, you should stop now. The USC offense didn't dink and dunk the ball down the field. In addition, it had not one great college RB, but two at the same time. Texas Tech has had zero for years. Kiffin has said many times that he favors a power running scheme. We couldn't bring in Leach and claim we were going to send players to the NFL when any player for whom the spread actually made a difference (meaning not so much on the WRs) was a complete flop coming out of Texas Tech. It's nothing like USC's pro-style offense and especially nothing like ours with an emphasis on the run game.
 
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VKAman said:
If you're suggesting that Leach's offense at Texas Tech is even remotely similar to Chow's (and Kiffin's) at USC, you should stop now. The USC offense didn't dink and dunk the ball down the field. In addition, it had not one great college RB, but two at the same time. Texas Tech has had zero for years. Kiffin has said many times that he favors a power running scheme. We couldn't bring in Leach and claim we were going to send players to the NFL when any player for whom the spread actually made a difference (meaning not so much on the WRs) was a complete flop coming out of Texas Tech. It's nothing like USC's pro-style offense and especially nothing like ours with an emphasis on the run game.
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I'm sorry but you have no idea what your talking about, the entire offense is derived from Chow.
Smart Football: Airraid offense information, reading material, and passing concepts
Norm Chow
Air Raid
 
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bam15 said:
I'm sorry but you have no idea what your talking about, the entire offense is derived from Chow.
Smart Football: Airraid offense information, reading material, and passing concepts
Norm Chow
Air Raid
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Completely missing the point...Leach takes a small portion of Chow's playbook and uses it over and over and over again. The fact that USC's empty-backfield plays that they use every once in a while are similar to Texas Tech's every-down offense does not mean, by any stretch of the imagination, that the offenses are similar in style. And they're not.
 
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For example: Tennessee undoubtedly has some plays in common with Florida, considering that Chaney's Purdue spread served as a source of inspiration for Urban Meyer. Does our offense resemble Florida's at all? Not so much...

Since Meyer met with Chaney, Meyer's philosophy has evolved to the spread-option and Chaney's has moved toward the pro-style side after being in the NFL. (Chow has moved in the same direction). Then, Chaney worked with Kiffin, another NFL pro-style guy, and by now Chaney's and Meyer's offenses look completely different from each other. Saying that Leach and Chow have a few plays in common does not at all suggest that Leach runs a pro-style offense...which is why all of his quarterbacks struggle when they actually have to play in them in the NFL.
 
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VKAman said:
Completely missing the point...Leach takes a small portion of Chow's playbook and uses it over and over and over again. The fact that USC's empty-backfield plays that they use every once in a while are similar to Texas Tech's every-down offense does not mean, by any stretch of the imagination, that the offenses are similar in style. And they're not.
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No I'm not missing the point, as I said earlier Leach's offense is the West Coast on Steroids, he took Chows plays all originally 3-5 step drop back passes and went to shotgun and very rarely going to empty, almost always 2x2. If you have ever seen the original Air Raid at UK, which I'm assuming you have it was literally the same exact plays as BYU, drop back passes, split backs, etc. and as I said has evolved to what Leach has now. MESH, Shallow, Stick, Smash, Y Option, Y Cross, all MAJOR Chow concepts, are used over and over again by Leach. Chow has very few pass concepts/plays as well, rumored to have 12. Your looking at the eye candy, and not the plays, Leach runs the same plays as Chow, with slight variations - Splits, Shotgun
 
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VKAman said:
For example: Tennessee undoubtedly has some plays in common with Florida, considering that Chaney's Purdue spread served as a source of inspiration for Urban Meyer. Does our offense resemble Florida's at all? Not so much...

Since Meyer met with Chaney, Meyer's philosophy has evolved to the spread-option and Chaney's has moved toward the pro-style side after being in the NFL. (Chow has moved in the same direction). Then, Chaney worked with Kiffin, another NFL pro-style guy, and by now Chaney's and Meyer's offenses look completely different from each other. Saying that Leach and Chow have a few plays in common does not at all suggest that Leach runs a pro-style offense...which is why all of his quarterbacks struggle when they actually have to play in them in the NFL.
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The reason his QB's struggle in the NFL is obviously Talent Level, the Air Raid was designed to get the most out of the players that are provided. Your also missing the point on the NFL as well, NFL offenses bland and homogenized. 80% of what NFL teams do on offense is the same, every team runs the same stuff. The whole NFL's entire run game amounts to about four or five plays: the inside zone , the outside zone, power, counter, and some kind of draw. You are seeing the same plays over, and over, and over again. Coaching Incest is rampant, and if you bring any thing new, you are radical [Run and Shoot].
 
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99bubble said:
You can't fire someone because they sue you. In fact, if you are being sued, that may the worst time to fire them.
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Please. A guy sues to keep an employer from suspending him in an at will state. Where I'm from, that's the definition of fired.
 
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bam15 said:
No I'm not missing the point, as I said earlier Leach's offense is the West Coast on Steroids, he took Chows plays all originally 3-5 step drop back passes and went to shotgun and very rarely going to empty, almost always 2x2. If you have ever seen the original Air Raid at UK, which I'm assuming you have it was literally the same exact plays as BYU, drop back passes, split backs, etc. and as I said has evolved to what Leach has now. MESH, Shallow, Stick, Smash, Y Option, Y Cross, all MAJOR Chow concepts, are used over and over again by Leach. Chow has very few pass concepts/plays as well, rumored to have 12. Your looking at the eye candy, and not the plays, Leach runs the same plays as Chow, with slight variations - Splits, Shotgun
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The thing is, these "slight variations" make a big difference in whether it's a pro-style offense. When you start getting QBs and linemen used to doing things they won't do at the next level (shotgun all the time or huge splits), it's a bigger and harder adjustment for them when they get to the NFL. That goes completely against what we're trying to do here, which is to prepare people for the NFL and put them in positions where it's easy for scouts to project them to the NFL. Regardless of how "bland" the NFL is, kids want to get there and it's our style of offense, not Leach's, that helps them do it. Leach's offense really didn't help the NFL prospects for pretty much anyone; Crabtree went high in the draft but would have gone higher had he played in a pro-style offense. Leach's offense does almost nothing but hurt NFL aspirations, which leads to my comment about "throwing them down the drain."
 
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tvolsfan said:
May want to check their records in the years leading up to him before you say that.
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A Big XII schedule is tougher than any SWC schedule was.

I'm hardly a fan of Leach's style and I think he's a total clown, but he was a good coach for their program. His winning percentage is superior to Spike Dykes in a tougher situation. The idea that a coach has to win a championship to be considered an upgrade or even solid coach is silly to me, especially when he coaches in Lubbock. Him improving the program has been enough to prove his worth there.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Screwy situation over one apparently lazy ass entitlement mentality player and his whiny daddy. Leach sealed his fate wen he filed a suit to coach. That suit was against his freaking employer. He had a prayer to let the facts come to light had he left it alone. Makes me think the facts are dodgy.

Leach is a loony and the kid just sucks, but the prick here is Ctaig James with his whining about parenting first. His kid was in no danger and clearly believed to be an attitude issue by all the staff. My kid goes that route and he has me to answer to and we'll handleit quietly, mano a mano, with the coach.
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Good post.
 
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hmanvolfan said:
That numbskull being interviewed is obviously a shill for the school. When he said the "shed" had a twenty foot ceiling he lost all credibility.
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I believe that was Leach's attorney.

I did laugh when he said 20 foot ceilings. lol
 
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