MLB Draft thread....SEC edition

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Mike Rapp said:
P.S. While Vandy certainly benefits from their grants in aid philosophy, the baseball student athletes are required to stay on course to graduate from Day 1, and even the kids who are guaranteed to be leaving after year 3.
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Lol

As if ALL D1 baseball players aren't required to do the same thing. Typical elitist bs
 
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Mike Rapp said:
I certainly would not compare what Vandy has done historically in any sport to what Duke has done in basketball. But, I have said that Vandy may have inadvertently lucked out in the same way Duke did, because Duke basically rode the ESPN coat tails into stardom.

Vandy sort of blew onto the scene right when college baseball was becoming a legit national media sport. And, in the best baseball league in America, which also happens to be the best sports league in the NCAA. Even with Corbin, I don't know that he could have made Vandy what it is now 20 years ago. Or 10 years from today.

I think Calipari has done a remarkable job working the current NCAA system up in Lexington. But I think it is terrible for basketball, and especially college basketball. I don't think what Corbin has done is anything but great for the sport of college baseball.

And I will again go on the record and say I hate partial scholarships for baseball, and am 100% for giving baseball student athletes full rides. That may or may not have a huge impact on Vandy, but I don't care, I think it is just wrong for everyone and especially the kids.

P.S. While Vandy certainly benefits from their grants in aid philosophy, the baseball student athletes are required to stay on course to graduate from Day 1, and even the kids who are guaranteed to be leaving after year 3.
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Well, I imagine YOU would think its good for college baseball. I bet a lot of UK fans think the one and done is good for college basketball.

Jim Schlossnagel, whom I also have a great deal of respect for, and also coaches at a private institution, does not think what Vandy is allowed to do is good for college baseball. I'll add, Vandy isn't alone.

I agree with you on the partials. These SEC schools are making enough money on sports and TV deals to fund full rides for every athlete on the campus...Of course they would have to pay the coaches less, so...not changing anytime soon, but that's another debate all together.

As for you PS, almost every, if not every, baseball player on every campus is receiving some portion of money based on keeping his GPA in good standing...that's not a Vandy thing, that's a non revenue sport thing, everywhere.
 
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My point is, it's not as if Vandy is giving aid to kids who don't deserve it, athlete or not. And fwiw Schlossnagel is one of Corbin's best friends in the business.

As far as UK fans, I don't think they care whether it is good for college basketball. Only whether it is good for them.
 
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Baseball coaches struggle with scholarship limitations | The Star Telegram The Star Telegram

Some private schools such as Rice and Stanford have huge endowments that help fill in the scholarship holes on their rosters and allow them to supplement their 11.7 baseball scholarships with financial aid that covers most, if not all, of a student's tuition, room and board. Rice has an endowment of nearly $4.5 billion. Stanford has the fifth largest endowment in the country at more than $16 billion.

For a fast-growing school such as TCU, with an endowment of $1.2 billion, there are more students applying for financial aid, meaning there is less money to go around. Five years ago when TCU signed a class of nine players including Kaleb Merck, Kyle Winkler, Taylor Featherston and Brance Rivera, seven of them received some sort of academic aid, Schlossnagle said.
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The scholarship crunch forces coaches such as Schlossnagle to explain to the parents of recruits why their son is being offered only a partial scholarship and why they'll still have to pay a sizeable portion. At a school such as TCU, with tuition, room and board around $46,000, a partial athletic scholarship still forces the parents to pay more than the parents of a walk-on player at Texas.

"The challenges that creates when you're trying to put together an Omaha team when we give a guy 50 percent, it costs him $22,000-$23,000 compared to if someone else gives him 50 percent, the denominator is so much smaller," He said.

For example, TCU outfielder Jerrick Suiter, who had a great year as a freshman, could have attended Vanderbilt, another private school that advanced to the CWS in 2011, and received the same amount of need-based and academic aid as he is getting at TCU with a substantial baseball scholarship.

But he would have been a "free player" at Vandy because he would have only cost the program at most, 25 percent of a full athletic scholarship, which is the minimum amount a student-athlete can be given. His academic aid at Vanderbilt would have equaled his athletic scholarship at TCU, allowing the Commodores coaches to use his baseball scholarship on another player. At TCU, the academic aid wasn't available, so Suiter, one of the top recruits in the nation a year ago, was given a substantial portion of a full athletic scholarship.

Like Schlossnagle, Lopez would love to see the NCAA increase the amount of baseball scholarships. But Title IX issues at most schools have complicated and prevented additional scholarship proposals in the past. Lopez isn't surprised most fans don't realize the complexities involved in college baseball recruiting.
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I never said they weren't friends. I'm sure they have tremendous respect for one another. I also didn't say Vandy was doing anything wrong, in fact I said the opposite. To go further, I don't think it's something Tennessee fans should whine about. When his friend says it's not a level playing field even amongst the privates, I think it carries some weight.
 
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I just tire of the level playing field argument. Show me the level playing field that UAB is playing on versus Alabama and Auburn. Or frankly, the level playing field Vandy is playing on versus Tennessee. Just does not exist in the world of college athletics.

And again, I will reiterate, I am 100% for full rides for baseball players.
 
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Mike Rapp said:
I just tire of the level playing field argument. Show me the level playing field that UAB is playing on versus Alabama and Auburn. Or frankly, the level playing field Vandy is playing on versus Tennessee. Just does not exist in the world of college athletics.

And again, I will reiterate, I am 100% for full rides for baseball players.
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Me too, tired of it being discussed here...very much so. But, respectfully, now that there is a power 5, the whole UAB is not Bama or Auburn carries no water with me.

If you are saying you agree with full rides for all non revenue sports, we can agree on that. Not going to happen, but we could agree there.

Can I ask you a question? Your team is in the CWS, we barely made the SEC tourney, UT Baseball is certainly no threat at this stage...What are you doing here on a big night like this for Vandy Baseball?
 
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Patrick Murray
@PatMurrayWBIR
Grainger's Trey Cabbage will sign with the Twins tomorrow in Minnesota.

He was Minnesota's 4th round pick, 110th overall.
 
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Jimmy Hyams
@JimmyHyams
Vols OF Christin Stewart (1st round, Detroit) and Vols signee C Chris Betts (2nd, TB) signed contracts today. That's 7 that have signed.
 
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No Quarter
@NoQuarterECU
Schedule Leak: The 2016 #ECU Baseball schedule will include home games against Maryland, Tennessee, UNC, NC State and UNCW, among others.

I didn't want to start a thread, but it looks like we will be playing ECU at some point next year.
 
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31VFL said:
No Quarter
@NoQuarterECU
Schedule Leak: The 2016 #ECU Baseball schedule will include home games against Maryland, Tennessee, UNC, NC State and UNCW, among others.

I didn't want to start a thread, but it looks like we will be playing ECU at some point next year.
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Man I hope that isn't a 3 game series

CDS needs to steal one from the miss state play book and schedule way down this year. Rack up wins and get confidence early. Ecu will be very tough series in the road
 
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BruinVol said:
Man I hope that isn't a 3 game series

CDS needs to steal one from the miss state play book and schedule way down this year. Rack up wins and get confidence early. Ecu will be very tough series in the road
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ECU is on a slow descent program wise. They made a good hire this season and they made regional play with 40 wins. However, I don't see a very good series win-except maybe against UCF. They did win the AAC tourney title but played no one until final against Houston who had beat them 2of 3 earlier in season.

They opened at home this season with UVA and were swept
 
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fryeguy93 said:
ECU is on a slow descent program wise. They made a good hire this season and they made regional play with 40 wins. However, I don't see a very good series win-except maybe against UCF. They did win the AAC tourney title but played no one until final against Houston who had beat them 2of 3 earlier in season.

They opened at home this season with UVA and were swept
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And we aren't virginia

Hell we opened at FIU this year and lost the series. They finished 8th in cusa in the regular season.

We need wins and playing a 40win team isn't the answer IMO for such a young struggling team/program

Btw playing ecu may very well give us a good look at our next coach
 
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vol66 said:
Can I ask you a question? Your team is in the CWS, we barely made the SEC tourney, UT Baseball is certainly no threat at this stage...What are you doing here on a big night like this for Vandy Baseball?
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Just like college baseball discussion. That's all.
 
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Cabbage on a flight to Minnesota according to his twitter...that's all of them...now there's just AJ.
 
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@jimcallisMLB: 4th-rder Trey Cabbage signs w/@Twins for $760k (110 slot = $517,900). Tennessee HS 3B, sweet LH swing, projectable power. @MLBDraft


Wow pretty good chunk of change over slot. No doubt he should have gone
 
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BruinVol said:
@jimcallisMLB: 4th-rder Trey Cabbage signs w/@Twins for $760k (110 slot = $517,900). Tennessee HS 3B, sweet LH swing, projectable power. @MLBDraft


Wow pretty good chunk of change over slot. No doubt he should have gone
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Yes. Absolutely. Him and Davila got over slot.
 
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vol66 said:
Cabbage on a flight to Minnesota according to his twitter...that's all of them...now there's just AJ.
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Gonna be a long, long year next season. Hate it for DS. Was convinced he'd turn this program around. Still stunned we are where we are.
 
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CAVPUT said:
Gonna be a long, long year next season. Hate it for DS. Was convinced he'd turn this program around. Still stunned we are where we are.
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I venture to say we will improve on our record from this year, not to say this year wasn't a disappointment by almost all........
 
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I remember my initiation to summer ball. The first player I followed in the Northwoods League was Matt Esparza, a Tennessee player for the Green Bay Bullfrogs. I was impressed with his summer, but he moved on to a JUCO, then ended it up at UCI. He was drafted in the 14th round and has agreed to terms with the Cleveland Indians. Congrats to him.
 
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