Neil Young vs. Joe Rogan

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clarksvol00 said:
You might seem to be toeing the anti-vax party line to Neil Young.
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I don't know what Rogan said but I'm aware of him. I'm aware of Neil Young and his music but I don't have him on my playlist, just not my cup of tea. So be it.

Neil may think I'm towing the anti vax party line but he'd be wrong. Hell I'm vaxxed and have been, I'm a follow the science guy. My issue with him is his moral indignation toward Rogan's perceived misinformation when there is equal amounts coming from this nations authority figures, hell the point man of the pandemic himself. There no intellectual honesty in his stance. He chose to use his platform to call out one but ignored the other, one could even argue he's advocating giving cover for the authority.

That's my only issue with his stance, it's one sided and ignores a much more glaring example of misinformation for political purpose.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It's not censorship to say that you don't sent your product associated with a platform shared by what you consider to be a menace.
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Agree completely. But Young took it a step further and demanding Spotify remove Rogan or he would pull his stuff.

He demanded Spotify censor Rogan or else.

He could have simply rescinded access and he would have achieved what you posted.
 
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lawgator1 said:
How does it hurt a Rogan fan? Anyone who believes the anti vax nonsense he spews can't be persuaded by science and fact, anyway.
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But neither side has the moral high ground using science or fact here.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It's not censorship to say that you don't sent your product associated with a platform shared by what you consider to be a menace.

The my pillow nutjob isn't forced to be on MSNBC.
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But that isn't what he did. He said remove Rogan or else. He attempted to silence someone.
 
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lawgator1 said:
How does it hurt a Rogan fan? Anyone who believes the anti vax nonsense he spews can't be persuaded by science and fact, anyway.
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It hurts them by limiting their access to him. Same as anyone who gets deplatformed. Their fans have a harder time getting access.

He's not anti-vax and the anti-vax nonsense you are referring to is a fraction of a percent of his content. That's the irony. It's not like every day he's "misinforming about Covid"
 
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clarksvol00 said:
Is not wanting to be associated with a view you don't like censorship? If the New York Times wanted to hire a conservative columnist (which they do have), and the columnist said, "I find it abhorrent to work for a company that promotes the views of Liberal Columnist X who currently works for NYT, I'll work for you if you dont publish his columns anymore," is that censorship?
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Well yea.
 
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You get a job offer for a company you really want to work for right after you accept you learn some guy you really don't like and think is a bad person works there.

Scenario 1: You decide you don't want to work for a company that employs him so you rescind your acceptance and move on.

Scenario 2: You decide to issue a demand that the company fire that other person or you will rescind your acceptance.
 
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volinbham said:
Agree completely. But Young took it a step further and demanding Spotify remove Rogan or he would pull his stuff.

He demanded Spotify censor Rogan or else.

He could have simply rescinded access and he would have achieved what you posted.
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He said him or me, basically.

Nothing wrong with that. In fact it's the ultimate in free enterprise and freedom of speech for him to offer that ultimatum.
 
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KB5252 said:
I don't know what Rogan said but I'm aware of him. I'm aware of Neil Young and his music but I don't have him on my playlist, just not my cup of tea. So be it.

Neil may think I'm towing the anti vax party line but he'd be wrong. Hell I'm vaxxed and have been, I'm a follow the science guy. My issue with him is his moral indignation toward Rogan's perceived misinformation when there is equal amounts coming from this nations authority figures, hell the point man of the pandemic himself. There no intellectual honesty in his stance. He chose to use his platform to call out one but ignored the other, one could even argue he's advocating giving cover for the authority.

That's my only issue with his stance, it's one sided and ignores a much more glaring example of misinformation for political purpose.
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I guess, but if calling out Rogan and not Fauci for falsehoods is your threshold, there are a lot of people around here who would be in the same position with Clay Travis.
 
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If you think about all the major news outlets who routinely have "experts" or "analysts" or operatives on who spew all sorts of misinformation it's nuts that only certain misinformation must be extinguished from the airwaves.
 
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volinbham said:
I'd respect him more if he didn't demand Spotify dump Rogan. Remove your music and move on. Try to take down another entertainer you don't agree with is a dickish move IMHO
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Or why not say I'm donating all my Spotify revenue to sponsor community vaccine clinics? The ultimatum was silly, what year does he think it is? Forty years ago he wins this showdown, but he is not currently the new kid on the block.
 
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lawgator1 said:
He said him or me, basically.

Nothing wrong with that. In fact it's the ultimate in free enterprise and freedom of speech for him to offer that ultimatum.
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No one is saying he can't do this. It's a matter of should.

So you'd tell a job they need to fire someone to keep you? In doing so wouldn't you be trying to harm someone else for your gain?
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
Or why not say I'm donating all my Spotify revenue to sponsor community vaccine clinics? The ultimatum was silly, what year does he think it is? Forty years ago he wins this showdown, but he is not currently the new kid on the block.
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So now he should be forced to allow company whose political stance he doesn't agree with to profit, while he donates his profits to charity?
 
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clarksvol00 said:
So now he should be forced to allow company whose political stance he doesn't agree with to profit, while he donates his profits to charity?
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It's an option he could have exercised that would be less dickish.

He can do whatever he wants but it's nuts to deny he was trying to get Rogan off of Spotify.
 
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lawgator1 said:
He said him or me, basically.

Nothing wrong with that. In fact it's the ultimate in free enterprise and freedom of speech for him to offer that ultimatum.
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Surprised he didn’t say him or Elton John. Wonder how that would’ve been accepted?
 
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clarksvol00 said:
So now he should be forced to allow company whose political stance he doesn't agree with to profit, while he donates his profits to charity?
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If he thinks they're doing wrong why not take their money and put it towards a cause he finds to be worthwhile?
 
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volinbham said:
No one is saying he can't do this. It's a matter of should.

So you'd tell a job they need to fire someone to keep you? In doing so wouldn't you be trying to harm someone else for your gain?
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What if I were adamantly pro-choice am supported candidates who had the same philosophy and I had a key employee who found my stance on abortion and that support so deplorable, he couldn't work for me? Would he be be trying to harm me for his gain?
 
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volinbham said:
It's an option he could have exercised that would be less dickish.

He can do whatever he wants but it's nuts to deny he was trying to get Rogan off of Spotify.
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I have no doubts that was his claim. I also don't believe he ever thought they'd pick him over Rogan.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
What if I were adamantly pro-choice am supported candidates who had the same philosophy and I had a key employee who found my stance on abortion and that support so deplorable, he couldn't work for me? Would he be be trying to harm me for his gain?
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This would be more applicable if you were on the same level and he told your boss to fire you or he quits.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
What if I were adamantly pro-choice am supported candidates who had the same philosophy and I had a key employee who found my stance on abortion and that support so deplorable, he couldn't work for me? Would he be be trying to harm me for his gain?
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No. Now if he demanded you fire someone for him to work there then he'd be trying to harm that someone.

Young has a contract with Spotify. That's 2 parties just like in your scenario above.

However, Young demanded action against a 3rd party and that's where your analogy falls apart.
 
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FLVOL69 said:
Therapeutics work and they always did sparky, you were duped by a misleading media and a little charlatan named Fraudci.
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Snooze...........
Go back are read the first month of posts in the COVID thread.
 
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