Netflix password sharing

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#176
PEPPERJAX said:
Majors would have shared Netflix with his immediate family. Fulmer OTOH would have piggy backed off his daughter's account.
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Eh, that's too generous. He'd have piggybacked off of his neighbor's friend's ex's account.
 
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GAVol said:
I'm slightly pissed that I know that it's found in section 4.2 of their ToS.
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Well, the exact section was also posted in this thread by the guy on his "side" too.

I think he may not know how to use Ctrl+F if he's on their website looking at it.
 
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ButchPlz said:
No they don't. And if you say they do, prove it.
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The Netflix agreement cites Delaware law. Delaware law includes “Children 21 years of age and younger living with their parents” part of a household.

4.2. The Netflix service and any content accessed through our service are for your personal and non-commercial use only and may not be shared with individuals beyond your household.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
The Netflix agreement cites Delaware law. Delaware law includes “Children 21 years of age and younger living with their parents” part of a household.

4.2. The Netflix service and any content accessed through our service are for your personal and non-commercial use only and may not be shared with individuals beyond your household.
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You going to leave out the context from which you pulled your Delaware household definition, or would you like to share it?

Because if you're going to try to use the law to tell me something is theft, you've got a lot of defining to do. And you're going to need to go deeper.

How are you going to define Netflix as the victim? Can you prove they're harmed by (what you are calling) "non-household" members using the service? Are you, a disinterested third party, going to take the oh-so-fun route that's wrecked our country and advocate on behalf of their victimhood when their own organization has not decided they're a victim in any way?

You're not very convincing- using food stamp regulation as an enforcement tool for a Netflix EUA is a hilarious stretch. Especially when you hack out a single small piece of it and leave the rest of the definitions of household around it out.

PS: what kind of wacky-fun-time bizarro world crap are we in where someone is trying to use food stamp regs in Delaware to defend an action they call "theft".
 
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ButchPlz said:
You going to leave out the context from which you pulled your Delaware household definition, or would you like to share it?

Because if you're going to try to use the law to tell me something is theft, you've got a lot of defining to do. And you're going to need to go deeper.

How are you going to define Netflix as the victim? Can you prove they're harmed by (what you are calling) "non-household" members using the service? Are you, a disinterested third party, going to take the oh-so-fun route that's wrecked our country and advocate on behalf of their victimhood when their own organization has not decided they're a victim in any way?

You're not very convincing- using food stamp law is a hilarious stretch. Especially when you hack out a single small piece of it and leave the rest of the definitions of household around it out.
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Delaware law doesn’t have multiple definitions of “household”. Netflix cites Delaware law and the user agreement is explicit. Kids not living at home aren’t in the “household”.
 
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n_huffhines said:
How can it be stealing if you don't take property? It might be dishonest but it's not stealing.
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Because people sharing passwords are granting unauthorized access to a limited, non-exclusive, non-transferable license to access Netflix services.

"During your Netflix membership, we grant you a limited, non-exclusive, non-transferable, license to access the Netflix service and view movies and TV shows through the service on a streaming-only basis for that purpose. Except for the foregoing limited license, no right, title or interest shall be transferred to you."
 
#186
#186
ButchPlz said:
It's all about the value, like I have said all along.

@Thunder Good-Oil missed that session in economics class. Netflix is very obviously not providing value to many users. So people do what people do, they find the path that matches the price they're willing to pay for the offered value. Netflix had no problem offering a certain price for a certain value for a lot of people (some of it even zero!) until apparently very recently. So is it shocking that there are people that share the same price point ($0) for the value they're getting that Netflix has almost explicitly allowed up until now ($0)? That's fundamentally how a market works.

Saying it's stealing now is like me being mad eight years later that someone picked up the couch I got rid of off the side of the street and trying to file a police report for theft.
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I love getting lectured about Neflix's lack of value to customers from a customer that is stealing value from Netflix.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Delaware law doesn’t have multiple definitions of “household”. Netflix cites Delaware law and the user agreement is explicit. Kids not living at home aren’t in the “household”.
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Delaware "law" doesn't define household. A piece of Delaware agency regulation for a manual (not law) around food stamps defines a household one way. If you found the definition you shared elsewhere, please educate us. Also, please share the other definitions of household included in the very same manual.
 
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Vol423 said:
I love getting lectured about Neflix's lack of value to customers from a customer that is stealing value from Netflix.
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A few problems here that show you're way out of your element:

1) do you even know what "value" is, in the business sense?
2) there's a major assumption here- can you point it out?
3) if I am indeed what you assume, how am I a "customer"?
 
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Vol423 said:
Because people sharing passwords are granting unauthorized access to a limited, non-exclusive, non-transferable license to access Netflix services.

"During your Netflix membership, we grant you a limited, non-exclusive, non-transferable, license to access the Netflix service and view movies and TV shows through the service on a streaming-only basis for that purpose. Except for the foregoing limited license, no right, title or interest shall be transferred to you."
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I currently have a NF account with one user profile. A few years back my wife went on a business trip for her company. She asked for my PW and logged in once she got back to the hotel using her laptop to watch NF. Would you consider that stealing?
 
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#190
PEPPERJAX said:
I currently have a NF account with one user profile. A few years back my wife went on a business trip for her company. She asked for my PW and logged in once she got back to the hotel using her laptop to watch NF. Would you consider that stealing?
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No. Your wife is part of your household.

Butchna IS stealing from Netflix by sharing his account with his daughters despite the level of mental gymnastics that he's willing to jump through to argue the contrary. However, in my opinion, he likely isn't really an example of what Netflix will seek to eliminate. I believe they will more than likely target Netflix customers that are openly sharing accounts and passwords amongst groups of friends.
 
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#191
Vol423 said:
No. Your wife is part of your household.

Butchna IS stealing from Netflix by sharing his account with his daughters despite the level of mental gymnastics that he's willing to jump through to argue the contrary.
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I don’t see how you can say that so definitively. The TOS is vague at best and common sense tells me my son is part of my household while in temporary housing. The IRS, SSA, insurance companies etc all agree. What’s more, by Thunder’s interpretation, my son is OK when he moves home for the Summer but is violating TOS when he moves to a dorm even though he’s watching on the same device and his legal address never changed.
 
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ButchPlz said:
Delaware "law" doesn't define household. A piece of Delaware agency regulation for a manual (not law) around food stamps defines a household one way. If you found the definition you shared elsewhere, please educate us. Also, please share the other definitions of household included in the very same manual.
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Each of the various definitions share verbiage that the household is based on the location, not the relation. Enlighten me with any legal definition of household that includes adult relatives that live elsewhere.

Legaldefinitions
Household. You, your family and any other people living in your home including any adult family members, other adults, children under 18 years old, lodgers, sub- tenants and visitors to your home.

US Legal
the term household means “an entity consisting of either an individual, a family, or a group of unrelated individuals, who reside in a particular housing unit.

US Census Bureau
census definition of a household, it

... includes all the persons who occupy a housing unit. A housing unit is a house, an apartment, a mobile home, a group of rooms, or a single room that is occupied (or if vacant, is intended for occupancy) as separate living quarters.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Each of the various definitions share verbiage that the household is based on the location, not the relation. Enlighten me with any legal definition of household that includes adult relatives that live elsewhere.

Legaldefinitions
Household. You, your family and any other people living in your home including any adult family members, other adults, children under 18 years old, lodgers, sub- tenants and visitors to your home.

US Legal
the term household means “an entity consisting of either an individual, a family, or a group of unrelated individuals, who reside in a particular housing unit.

US Census Bureau
census definition of a household, it

... includes all the persons who occupy a housing unit. A housing unit is a house, an apartment, a mobile home, a group of rooms, or a single room that is occupied (or if vacant, is intended for occupancy) as separate living quarters.
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I can show you plenty of definitions that include dependent children.

Whatever the definition, this is a stupid marketing move that will likely result in more lost subscribers and negative impact on their market cap.
 
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FTR, Netflix won’t be hammering the families that were ignorant that Junior wasn’t really a member of the household when he moved out to go live on campus. But I’m quite certain that they will agree that Fulmer stole Johnny’s program.

The easy solution is to simply sell a license for X number of devices and each device needs to be registered in their system.
 
#195
#195
GAVol said:
I don’t see how you can say that so definitively. The TOS is vague at best and common sense tells me my son is part of my household while in temporary housing. The IRS, SSA, insurance companies etc all agree. What’s more, by Thunder’s interpretation, my son is OK when he moves home for the Summer but is violating TOS when he moves to a dorm even though he’s watching on the same device and his legal address never changed.
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I have never seen any comment by butchna about his daughters being in college. Perhaps they are, but he seemed to have acknowledged that they are out on their own. If so, they clearly aren't part of his household.

Thunder brought up the kids at college argument. Absent a specific definition of household in the Netflix agreement (and I haven't seen one), I personally would default to the IRS definition. Under IRS rules, your son and basically any kids in college that can be claimed by their parent as a dependent would still qualify as a member of your household.

It is possible that somewhere in Delaware case law, they have established a legal definition of "household". In my opinion, Netflix's executives are negligent by not clearly defining "household" in their terms of service. I think Netflix's executives are negligent in a number of ways.
 
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#197
Vol423 said:
I have never seen any comment by butchna about his daughters being in college. Perhaps they are, but he seemed to have acknowledged that they are out on their own. If so, they clearly aren't part of his household.

Thunder brought up the kids at college argument. Absent a specific definition of household in the Netflix agreement (and I haven't seen one), I personally would default to the IRS definition. Under IRS rules, your son and basically any kids in college that can be claimed by their parent as a dependent would still qualify as a member of your household.

It is possible that somewhere in Delaware case law, they have established a legal definition of "household". In my opinion, Netflix's executives are negligent by not clearly defining "household" in their terms of service. I think Netflix's executives are negligent in a number of ways.
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I’m probably conflating everybody’s posts. I agree with your interpretation.
 
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Vol423 said:
I have never seen any comment by butchna about his daughters being in college. Perhaps they are, but he seemed to have acknowledged that they are out on their own. If so, they clearly aren't part of his household.

Thunder brought up the kids at college argument. Absent a specific definition of household in the Netflix agreement (and I haven't seen one), I personally would default to the IRS definition. Under IRS rules, your son and basically any kids in college that can be claimed by their parent as a dependent would still qualify as a member of your household.

It is possible that somewhere in Delaware case law, they have established a legal definition of "household". In my opinion, Netflix's executives are negligent by not clearly defining "household" in their terms of service. I think Netflix's executives are negligent in a number of ways.
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One daughter's BACK home, so I dodge that rap. I'm going to continue to skirt the man and allow my other daughter to play my grandson's favorites
 
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#199
GAVol said:
Stop with the passive aggressive insults. I’m trying to have an adult conversation.
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You’re having conversations with “adults” who are nickpicking the definition of a household and the Netflix ToS to make themselves feel morally superior.

I wouldn’t expect anything decent from them.
 
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#200
butchna said:
One daughter's BACK home, so I dodge that rap. I'm going to continue to skirt the man and allow my other daughter to play my grandson's favorites
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Lets do a real brain twister. My sister shares her NF password with me. The only time I use it is when I watch her son so he can watch some of the shows he likes. Since I have the password, but he is watching is that stealing?
 
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