New Arizona Immigration Law

[Cash Vallin]

then you have lived a charmed life.

naw, when i see a cop, i tend to go the other direction or get away from them

 

[Cash Vallin]

I understand that. Like my post said, I misread what you wrote and didn't realize you were limiting your statement only to situations where a person was doing nothing illegal.

my post was before your edit, lol... no hard feelings

 

[utvolpj]

i'm saying only have people who do something wrong prove they're here legally.

and that's what the law says they have to do

that goes for every race, though, and not one suspected to be latino

please tell me how do they identify someone "suspected to be latino" in your opinion?

 

[Cash Vallin]

are you really arguing cops are going to start randomly pulling people over because they suspect they are illegal?

it's happened before in this country..

 

[Cash Vallin]

and that's what the law says they have to do



please tell me how do they identify someone "suspected to be latino" in your opinion?

you're the one saying it's not always as cut and dry to determine somebody's race. that's why i put suspected

 

[droski]

it's happened before in this country..

not since it started getting cops fired

 

[utvolpj]

you're the one saying it's not always as cut and dry to determine somebody's race. that's why i put suspected

and what would cause the cops to suspect it? Surely you have an idea since you're so concerned with it

 

[paul1454]

because bills always go as written....

a LEGAL hispanic will have to have documentation on their persons at all times now to prove their legality. Someobdy else who's legal of another race won't have to go through that, and you know it. and that's where the potential problem arises.

Refusing to pass laws because they are not always enforced correctly would leave us in anarchy. Should we get rid of laws against murder because it sometimes results in convictions of innocent people? Certainly, you recognize that such departures from the ways laws are written are outliers in most cases, correct?

 

[Cash Vallin]

not since it started getting cops fired

you can't be that naive... you've admitted yourself you've been pulled over for being young....

 

[volinbham]

anyone notice that Cash doesn't trust the cops but is in favor of government involvement in most areas of our lives?

 

[OrangeEmpire]

One who is smart enough to see that the handwriting is on the wall for 19th-century-style nativism.

Outstanding, another angry poster who posts outlandish generalizations!!

 

[OrangeEmpire]

No wonder cash doesn't like me...

 

[Cash Vallin]

Refusing to pass laws because they are not always enforced correctly would leave us in anarchy. Should we get rid of laws against murder because it sometimes results in convictions of innocent people? Certainly, you recognize that such departures from the ways laws are written are outliers in most cases, correct?

that's a good point...

anyways, another fun/pointless discussion from all parties. the courts in the end will decide on this one

 

[paul1454]

anyone notice that Cash doesn't trust the cops but is in favor of government involvement in most areas of our lives?

I sure have. They are benevolent when they are regulating businesses. But when they interact with the public, they are subject to the same self-interest incentives and biases as the private sector.

 

[Cash Vallin]

anyone notice that Cash doesn't trust the cops but is in favor of government involvement in most areas of our lives?

different situation.... government, i have a vote.... cops, my vote is very much indirectly involved... we have the same cops regardless of what party is in charge.

 

[paul1454]

different people.... government, i have a vote.... cops, my vote is very much indirectly involved... we have the same cops regardless of what party is in charge.

regulators=cops in different uniforms.

 

[MG1968]

different situation.... government, i have a vote.... cops, my vote is very much indirectly involved... we have the same cops regardless of what party is in charge.

you don't have a vote for SCOTUS, Attorney General, FBI chief, and so on.

 

[Cash Vallin]

regulators, however, change based on who's in charge in government. cops, do not

 

[Cash Vallin]

you don't have a vote for SCOTUS, Attorney General, FBI chief, and so on.

yes, but the people i vote for very much do have a vote in those processes you mentioned

 

[droski]

you can't be that naive... you've admitted yourself you've been pulled over for being young....

and therefore what? cops are going to pull over more hispanics than before because of this new law?

 

[OrangeEmpire]

In your insane gov't run world, police should be hired and fired based on which political party is in charge?

 

[Cash Vallin]

and what would cause the cops to suspect it? Surely you have an idea since you're so concerned with it

i have no idea what would cause a cop to think somebody is illegal/legal. i've met both in my life.. can't tell a difference

 

[OrangeEmpire]

yes, but the people i vote for very much do have a vote in those processes you mentioned

Hang on, if what you say is true, then what is the difference between the state and local level?

:crazy:

 

[Cash Vallin]

and therefore what? cops are going to pull over more hispanics than before because of this new law?

potentially yes, because, loopholes in the law would be on their side. i.e. broken tailight, now i have a right to see if this hispanic-looking person is a legal citizen/immigrant.... won't be the same for people of other races.

 

[paul1454]

regulators, however, change based on who's in charge in government. cops, do not

No they don't. Did the entire SEC or OSHA workforce get replaced when Obama was elected president?