No more Rupp Arena?

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RoaminVol said:
Netflix or the documentary? They have real facts that back everything up. It explains what happened to black ppl after slavery.
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I know blacks that live in my neighborhood who drive better cars than I do, eat at the same restaurants I do, go to the same stores I do. Looks like they chose not to be enslaved. This whole argument is for political purposes in a political year to divide this country. Can not wait for the silent majority to speak up.
 
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RoaminVol said:
Netflix or the documentary? They have real facts that back everything up. It explains what happened to black ppl after slavery.
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So of course black people are completely powerless and helpless and need the helping hand of the white man to raise them up as it has held them down in the past.

You know by that line of logic you're actually claiming white supremacy, right?
 
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RoaminVol said:
Maybe if racist white ppl didnt enslave black ppl and then name everything after enslavers this wouldnt be a problem.
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They named it Rupp Arena because he won basketball games. We can’t Shame our ancestors for what they did in the past. We have to improve the future.
 
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TJVol95 said:
They named it Rupp Arena because he won basketball games. We can’t Shane our ancestors for what they did in the past. We have to improve the future.
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Idc if the name is changed or not but if they change it and have a legitimate reason to do it I dont have a problem.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
It always comes back around to murdered children in Chicago.

Until that issue is addressed, there can be no other dialogue.
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I wouldn't say there can be no other dialogue on any other issue until the violence in Chicago, or in any other city, is addressed. We can and should walk and chew gum at the same time.

However, like someone else already said, it's a matter of prioritization. Widespread 24-7 media coverage, protests, Instagram "blackouts" and other forms of slacktivism, the tearing down of statues, corporate social justice campaigns, and national conversations about the moral history of the United States don't occur in the wake of kids being shot in Chicago. Even though the violence that does occur in Chicago, and other places, is far more representative of the types of violence that black people have to worry about. It's just "interesting" what gets prioritized and what doesn't.
 
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05_never_again said:
I wouldn't say there can be no other dialogue on any other issue until the violence in Chicago, or in any other city, is addressed. We can and should walk and chew gum at the same time.

However, like someone else already said, it's a matter of prioritization. Widespread 24-7 media coverage, protests, Instagram "blackouts" and other forms of slacktivism, the tearing down of statues, corporate social justice campaigns, and national conversations about the moral history of the United States don't occur in the wake of kids being shot in Chicago. Even though the violence that does occur in Chicago, and other places, is far more representative of the types of violence that black people have to worry about. It's just "interesting" what gets prioritized and what doesn't.
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Personally, I don’t live in fear of being killed by another black man, even though statistics say it’s more likely.

Likewise I’m sure most white people don’t live in fear of being killed by another white person, even though statistics say it’s more likely than by another race.

If my own personal history is any indication, I’m more likely to be profiled by law enforcement than shot by another black man.

But that’s just me.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Personally, I don’t live in fear of being killed by another black man, even though statistics say it’s more likely.

Likewise I’m sure most white people don’t live in fear of being killed by another white person, even though statistics say it’s more likely than by another race.

If my own personal history is any indication, I’m more likely to be profiled by law enforcement than shot by another black man.

But that’s just me.
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I meant that purely on a statistical basis. If you live outside the areas of cities where this kind of stuff is occurring, regardless of your race, your chances of having an act of violence like that happen to you are basically zero. However, unfortunately the most representative, and far more frequent, type of violence that affects the "black community" (I don't like that term, but don't know what else to say) generally is the kind of thing that goes on in Chicago and other places. The reason you don't hear about it outside of Chicago local news and conservative websites (who are trying to run a counter-narrative) is because those stories can't be used to advance the political narrative that groups like BLM and their allies in the media want to advance.

Let's be real - if they were 100% honest, they'd admit that what they really care about is a particular type of violence that happens to black people - that of white cops killing black people - and regardless of what the facts of each specific case are, it's always a clear case of not just police racism but the racism of white people generally. Naturally, there are some instances where they have a legitimate beef (like George Floyd) and other instances where it's far more questionable (like Michael Brown).

My point is that if media coverage of these events was your only indication, you'd be led to believe that any time the police kill someone, it's always a white cop killing a black person and it's always 100% unjustifiable. I totally buy that black people (and minorities generally) are harassed by the police more, but I'm not aware of any statistics kept on that. I also know that the "black people are way more likely to be killed by police that white people" narrative is a little more complicated than that.

Shooting bias - Wikipedia
 
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05_never_again said:
I meant that purely on a statistical basis. If you live outside the areas of cities where this kind of stuff is occurring, regardless of your race, your chances of having an act of violence like that happen to you are basically zero. However, unfortunately the most representative, and far more frequent, type of violence that affects the "black community" (I don't like that term, but don't know what else to say) generally is the kind of thing that goes on in Chicago and other places. The reason you don't hear about it outside of Chicago local news and conservative websites (who are trying to run a counter-narrative) is because those stories can't be used to advance the political narrative that groups like BLM and their allies in the media want to advance.

Let's be real - if they were 100% honest, they'd admit that what they really care about is a particular type of violence that happens to black people - that of white cops killing black people - and regardless of what the facts of each specific case are, it's always a clear case of not just police racism but the racism of white people generally. Naturally, there are some instances where they have a legitimate beef (like George Floyd) and other instances where it's far more questionable (like Michael Brown).

My point is that if media coverage of these events was your only indication, you'd be led to believe that any time the police kill someone, it's always a white cop killing a black person and it's always 100% unjustifiable. I totally buy that black people (and minorities generally) are harassed by the police more, but I'm not aware of any statistics kept on that. I also know that the "black people are way more likely to be killed by police that white people" narrative is a little more complicated than that.

Shooting bias - Wikipedia
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You are I are in agreement that BLM focuses on a particular issue within the so-called black community, and that's their right. Suggesting they focus on something else is akin to asking a cardiologist why he doesn't also treat and cure prostate cancer.

You and I are also in agreement that not all police encounters resulting in a loss of life are the same. The deaths of Eric Garner, George Lloyd, Breonna Taylor and Botham Jean are on a different plane than Michael Brown in my opinion. That said, if you ask 100 black men if they fear being killed by another black man versus mistreatment by law enforcement, I'd wager the majority would say the latter. The link you posted provides good context.

And for the record, I don't differentiate good cops from bad cops based on their race, despite what you think the media wants me to believe. Crooked cops come in all shapes, sizes, races and genders.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Personally, I don’t live in fear of being killed by another black man, even though statistics say it’s more likely.

Likewise I’m sure most white people don’t live in fear of being killed by another white person, even though statistics say it’s more likely than by another race.

If my own personal history is any indication, I’m more likely to be profiled by law enforcement than shot by another black man.

But that’s just me.
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Womp womp indèed!😂 Maybe you should look at the facts, who knows you might even learn something!😂
 
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RoaminVol said:
Well you sound annoyed just saying. Look it doesn’t matter how long something has been named. If its wrong its wrong doesn't matter if we didn't think it was wrong then. Have you ever did something or created something and regretted it 5-10 years later? It happens. Folks didn't understand back then now they do and are taking action. Why be upset about it? If Neyland goes down cause of it oh well. Tennessee has a rich history of excellence we can just name the stadium after something else. People hate change I hate it too but if its for the right cause I understand. Your an intelligent man Ive enjoyed you on VN for years hope you understand my POV.
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You wanna change something then what about the death toll of blacks by their own race which dwarfs police brutality by a large margin? What about the same community raising most of their kids w/o the dad present? These aren’t very big and glaring issues of concern but renaming a building is?

This coming from a half Mexican who never knew his father who came into this country illegally.

We can point fingers all day long but sooner or later we’ll have to face the truth.
 
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sccshortstop said:
It will not stop until someone who has the balls to say NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO rather than OK!!!!
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We'er already seeing some of this taking place. Goya CEO telling the twitter gliterrati to go %$#@ themselves. More and more black people are watching and complaining about wild groups of white people rioting and looting during the night in the name of Black Lives Matter the Marxist organization which is far removed from the concept of it. Taking down Darryl Royals name in Texas or Adolph Rupps name in Kentucky will not happen is my prediction. The nonsense SOME are putting out there, like taking down Columbus' statue in Chicago will do noithing to assuage the violence taking place there is the sort of nonsense which I'm attempting to point out.
 
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Remy said:
We'er already seeing some of this taking place. Goya CEO telling the twitter gliterrati to go %$#@ themselves. More and more black people are watching and complaining about wild groups of white people rioting and looting during the night in the name of Black Lives Matter the Marxist organization which is far removed from the concept of it. Taking down Darryl Royals name in Texas or Adolph Rupps name in Kentucky will not happen is my prediction. The nonsense SOME are putting out there, like taking down Columbus' statue in Chicago will do noithing to assuage the violence taking place there is the sort of nonsense which I'm attempting to point out.
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Could not agree more. Texas stopped the deal with the song and they had Bevo size balls to do that. If it comes to the Neyland mess that is stirring and simmering in the pot will out folks have that size nads as well? I suspect all this is to the point of many who are not racist beginning to scratch their heads!
 
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With all of the civil war monuments being taken down, when will the discussion start on the Democratic Party. This was the party of slavery leading up to and during the civil war. The pro-slavery party. The word Democratic should be struck from the historical record?
 
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IPleadInsanity said:
With all of the civil war monuments being taken down, when will the discussion start on the Democratic Party. This was the party of slavery leading up to and during the civil war. The pro-slavery party. The word Democratic should be struck from the historical record?
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On top of that, they didn't have their first elected black representatives until decades after the Republicans.
 
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ButchPlz said:
On top of that, they didn't have their first elected black representatives until decades after the Republicans.
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All this is true but the Democrats were all conservatives so we should ban conservative ideology as well. Id be fine with that tradeoff.
 
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