No one is Underpaid

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NEO said:
Nobody is saying they aren’t hard workers.

Think you are confusing hard with skilled.

Digging ditches is hard work. Not very skilled though.
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I guess you need to go tell the next person you see digging ditches how unskilled they are. And if you go to church maybe have a talk about how you feel with your pastor. Or share these thoughts in Sunday school class. I can't help you all anymore.
 
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Almost every job requires some amount of skill which is learned. Paying someone to wash dishes and take out the trash doesn't take much skill, paying someone to cook does. The value of a job is the amount of training it takes to learn a skill. A specialist doctor takes a lot more skill and training than a school teacher. This entire argument is relative.
 
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DonjoVol said:
I never bought up managers as unskilled. Other people did. Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

Well I guess keep that unskilled mentality in mind next time your out enjoying a meal at a restaurant. As a matter of fact be sure to tell those crew members exactly what you think of them. If you go to church share these same feelings with your pastor as well.
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Are jobs people in your world? Or are people only their jobs? Because I have pointed out to you multiple times that there is a difference and you just wont recognize it.

I dont set a person's value based on their job, unlike you. I am not the one that should be worried about their interactions with others.
 
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VolStrom said:
Almost every job requires some amount of skill which is learned. Paying someone to wash dishes and take out the trash doesn't take much skill, paying someone to cook does. The value of a job is the amount of training it takes to learn a skill. A specialist doctor takes a lot more skill and training than a school teacher. This entire argument is relative.
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There is a demand component as well.

A doctor doesn't make the money they do just because their job takes a lot of skill and training. The amount of skill and training that it takes to become a doc weeds down the pool of labor (reduces supply), and there is a lot of demand (that is increasing more quickly than the pool of supply) for what doctors do. Those two things combined are what lead to their high salaries.
 
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LouderVol said:
Are jobs people in your world? Or are people only their jobs? Because I have pointed out to you multiple times that there is a difference and you just wont recognize it.

I dont set a person's value based on their job, unlike you. I am not the one that should be worried about their interactions with others.
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I have stated multiple times I don't either. However, I have stated multiple times every job is skilled. You continue to want to argue and get offended by me saying that. That's your problem not mine.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Business failures are very visible and public. Many politicians never even work a real job and their failures are easily hidden, especially with a compliant media support structure . And when their failures are exposed, they can always blame someone else. There is no “audit” for political performance and the books are easily cooked. How else to you explain the insanely high re-election rates of incumbent Congress Members, most of whom are clearly incompetent and unable to tie their own shoes without a staff of aides to do it for them?
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Honest answer? Name recognition. Incumbents have a massive advantage in name recognition over challenging politicians. Since the majority of the U.S. public knows very little about the candidates, that name recognition makes the difference.
 
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DonjoVol said:
I have stated multiple times I don't either. However, I have stated multiple times every job is skilled. You continue to want to argue and get offended by me saying that. That's your problem not mine.
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Is a Hooker skilled labor?
 
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DonjoVol said:
I have stated multiple times I don't either. However, I have stated multiple times every job is skilled. You continue to want to argue and get offended by me saying that. That's your problem not mine.
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In an absolute sense sure pretty much any job requires some skill, that's never been deined. But that does not make every job a "skilled" job. And it certainly doesnt mean that everyone who has that job is skilled at their job. Or could even be considered skilled outside that job.
 
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Vol423 said:
I hope the rest of Starbucks employees join the fray, they unionize and can never come to an agreement with Starbucks. All Starbucks fold. Starbucks sucks!
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Starbucks is overrated. But like Chik Fil A they always seem to be packed. A lot of people would be angry if Starbucks closed. I never understood people spending 4 to 5 bucks on coffee 5 days a week.
 
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NEO said:
Nobody is saying they aren’t hard workers.

Think you are confusing hard with skilled.

Digging ditches is hard work. Not very skilled though.
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...and I have dug ditches for a job when I was in high school. As I was going through college, that job served as a constant motivator for why I was getting my degree. I never again wanted to dig ditches for a living. By DonjoVol's definition, that would make digging ditches skilled labor because I don't ever want to do it again.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Starbucks is overrated. But like Chik Fil A they always seem to be packed. A lot of people would be angry if Starbucks closed. I never understood people spending 4 to 5 bucks on coffee 5 days a week.
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One of my daughters took me to an outpatient surgery event yesterday. Before she got here, she stopped at a Chick-fil-A and a Starbucks.
 
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DonjoVol said:
I guess you need to go tell the next person you see digging ditches how unskilled they are. And if you go to church maybe have a talk about how you feel with your pastor. Or share these thoughts in Sunday school class. I can't help you all anymore.
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LOL. Wow. You are unbelievable.
 
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05_never_again said:
There is a demand component as well.

A doctor doesn't make the money they do just because their job takes a lot of skill and training. The amount of skill and training that it takes to become a doc weeds down the pool of labor (reduces supply), and there is a lot of demand (that is increasing more quickly than the pool of supply) for what doctors do. Those two things combined are what lead to their high salaries.
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Unlike DonjoVol, you passed Econ 101.
 
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Vol423 said:
...and I have dug ditches for a job when I was in high school. As I was going through college, that job served as a constant motivator for why I was getting my degree. I never again wanted to dig ditches for a living. By DonjoVol's definition, that would make digging ditches skilled labor because I don't ever want to do it again.
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And digging ditches required various skills in combination to be successful at. I'm sure there have been people terminated for their inability to demonstrate the requisite skills needed to dig ditches.

And before you just fart out "Wrong" again like it's some kind of coherent answer, it's not me you're disagreeing with. Take it up with Oxford, Webster, American Standard, etc.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Okay. At this point all I can suggest you do is complete an application and go work part time somewhere As easy as you say it is apparently you won't break a sweat. And you will make some extra money on top of that. Otherwise, it's a skilled job that you are not willing to do and rely on others to do it for you.
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No one relies or needs fast food workers, it's a convenience. If all fast food restaurants closed tomorrow no one would starve.

Your problem in this debate is you're arguing from emotion instead of fact. While they are factually correct, that it is considered unskilled work it requires only the most basic of skills to perform. It doesn't demean them to speak the truth. And to some degree you are correct that it requires some skill, but just the must basic to carry out job functions.

And the OP's assertion that this labor shortage is manufactured is almost undeniable. You can overlay graphs with timelines and the results of mandates and shutdowns and effectively demonstrate the correlation.
 
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