Nothing Against Coach Martin...

[WA_Vol]

He's basically had two legitimate shots at the NCAAs.

He lost his conference tournament in his second year, with a team that *could* have won it, and then this year with a team that should have won it.

That's not many data points.

He's gone to two post-season tournaments. He won one, lost in the first round of the next.

Again, not many data points.
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I kind of agree with you, but if Missouri State had made the NCAA tournament and the sweet 16 or elite 8 would you still be saying not enough data points?

Who described as a miracle job?

No one did. Just another gross exaggeration.

Apparently, you and law believe it was a miracle job otherwise you wouldn't keep bringing it up.

I don't agree with this guys assertion that having a poor first season makes him a bad coach, but I definitely see the skepticism in Martins entire record. It's hard to defend him. It's also hard to bash him.
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I'm not saying a poor first season makes him a bad coach, but having 5 scholarship players and going 11-22 is nothing to hang your hat on. One of the things about Martin that bothers me is, the top 5 scorers on his team this year are one Junior and 4 seniors. Granted the best player is a junior, still he was not going to better next season IMO.

 

[tnvols72]

And I'll just assume you missed the fact with those 5 scholarship players he went 11-20. For reference Missouri States previous coach was 17-16, 22-11, and 22-9 the three previous seasons before Martin took over. In 3 seasons Martin was 11-20, 24-12, and 26-9.

So to put that in numbers:

Hinson's 3 previous seasons @ Missouri St: 61-36 (.629)
Martin's 3 seasons @ Missouri State: 61-41 (.598)

what does this have to do with Kruger ? Id take Martin over Kruger.I was never impressed with Kruger.What point are you trying to make ?according to you they both had 1st bad years and after that Martin did a better job ?

 

[TennTradition]

I kind of agree with you, but if Missouri State had made the NCAA tournament and the sweet 16 or elite 8 would you still be saying not enough data points?

My knock on Shaka Smart is just that.
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[LWSVOL]

but if Oklahoma is able to hire Lon Kruger, I want Mike Hamilton fired and Jimmy Cheek banned from ever getting within 100 miles of a coaching search again.

do they get him for 1.3? If he is more, then he was out of price range.

Tennessee was and will not spend the money.. thier philosophy just doesn't allow it..

changing AD and Chancellor will likely NOT make a difference. Higher tham then philosophy at play.

 

[Tux]

Originally Posted by hatvol96
but if Oklahoma is able to hire Lon Kruger, I want Mike Hamilton fired and Jimmy Cheek banned from ever getting within 100 miles of a coaching search again.

You can't get caught up in hiring or looking to hire big names. You hire the right guy for the situation and Mike Hamilton diod just that.

 

[Cartervol]

do they get him for 1.3? If he is more, then he was out of price range.

Tennessee was and will not spend the money.. thier philosophy just doesn't allow it..

changing AD and Chancellor will likely NOT make a difference. Higher tham then philosophy at play.

Is it a philosophy or are they just cheap. I'll tell you one thing that isn't cheap, ticket prices or their fat donations they require every year. They've got it, they should do what others do , spend it. You want winners then you do what is necessary to get them here. You want mid majors then well you know what i'm saying.

 

[JZVOL]

Apparently, you and law believe it was a miracle job otherwise you wouldn't keep bringing it up.

1. That makes no sense.

2. I've made one post on topic, go back and look. How one post equals "you keep bringing it up," I don't know?

 

[WA_Vol]

1. That makes no sense.

2. I've made one post on topic, go back and look. How one post equals "you keep bringing it up," I don't know?

I bet there have been over 100 comments on this board about him having 5 scholarship players his first season and LawVol has brought it up a half a dozen times in this thread alone yet you and him still felt the need to bring this up for discussion again.

 

[WA_Vol]

do they get him for 1.3? If he is more, then he was out of price range.

Tennessee was and will not spend the money.. thier philosophy just doesn't allow it..

changing AD and Chancellor will likely NOT make a difference. Higher tham then philosophy at play.

I respect your comments and your sources but this bothers me. If money is an issue for the AD why wasn't it an issue when they negotiated Fulmer's salary? He made more money then most of the coaches in the SEC.

 

[JZVOL]

I bet there have been over 100 comments on this board about him having 5 scholarship players his first season and LawVol has brought it up a half a dozen times in this thread alone yet you and him still felt the need to bring this up for discussion again.

I asked you one question about it. How that somehow makes the leap to me saying it was some miracle I don't understand.

 

[LWSVOL]

Is it a philosophy or are they just cheap. I'll tell you one thing that isn't cheap, ticket prices or their fat donations they require every year. They've got it, they should do what others do , spend it. You want winners then you do what is necessary to get them here. You want mid majors then well you know what i'm saying.

I understand the money is available if needed to pursue whomever we want. the philosophy seems to be "we don't want to be known as a school that tries to win at all costs". Ala Bama and Kentucky..

 

[LWSVOL]

I respect your comments and your sources but this bothers me. If money is an issue for the AD why wasn't it an issue when they negotiated Fulmer's salary? He made more money then most of the coaches in the SEC.

he and staff was more middle of the pack. the buyout package was pretty good I agree but not the salary as relates to others.

As I responded to Carter, I think it is more a philosophy than a dollar issue when hiring replacements. Pearl's salary had gotten up 2.3. I think success by Dooley and/or Martin would get their salaries up. But when hiring replacements, our institution is not going to chose to go out an depend 3, 4 or 5 million to bring in coaches. They were not even willing to talk to Grant because of his salary (1.8)

This is what I understand as the approach on the last hire.

 

[jsc1973]

Lon Kruger = Has Been
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I wouldn't say that at all. I think he's a tad overrated as a coach, but he's actually had more success at UNLV than he did anywhere else, his where-did-that-come-from Final Four trip at Florida notwithstanding.

The way he's moved around in his career, I'm surprised he hasn't left Vegas yet. He could conceivably become the first coach in NCAA history to take five different schools to the tournament, unless Tubby leaves Minnesota and beats him to it.

 

[Daddy Gee]

Is it a philosophy or are they just cheap. I'll tell you one thing that isn't cheap, ticket prices or their fat donations they require every year. They've got it, they should do what others do , spend it. You want winners then you do what is necessary to get them here. You want mid majors then well you know what i'm saying.

+1

I understand the money is available if needed to pursue whomever we want. the philosophy seems to be "we don't want to be known as a school that tries to win at all costs". Ala Bama and Kentucky..

unreal

 

[LawVol13]

I asked you one question about it. How that somehow makes the leap to me saying it was some miracle I don't understand.

No one said it was a miracle. It was simply to counterbalance oklavol taking his record out of context.

 

[JZVOL]

I understand the money is available if needed to pursue whomever we want. the philosophy seems to be "we don't want to be known as a school that tries to win at all costs". Ala Bama and Kentucky..

Well good for them because it's working.

 

[WesternKyVol]

+1



unreal

+1

 

[gorockytop101]

oh boy...
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[hatvol96]

Looks like it's almost time for me to start the Campaign To Destroy Mike Hamilton/Jimmy Cheek.

 

[JZVOL]

but if Oklahoma is able to hire Lon Kruger, I want Mike Hamilton fired and Jimmy Cheek banned from ever getting within 100 miles of a coaching search again.

Yep, let your campaign begin.

 

[globadoc]

Hat, you're the first person I thought of when I saw the 'official' confirmation. The only problem is that he will make 2.2M, which UT was simply not going to pay. Ever.

 

[gorockytop101]

he and staff was more middle of the pack. the buyout package was pretty good I agree but not the salary as relates to others.

As I responded to Carter, I think it is more a philosophy than a dollar issue when hiring replacements. Pearl's salary had gotten up 2.3. I think success by Dooley and/or Martin would get their salaries up. But when hiring replacements, our institution is not going to chose to go out an depend 3, 4 or 5 million to bring in coaches. They were not even willing to talk to Grant because of his salary (1.8)

This is what I understand as the approach on the last hire.

I'd like to hear someone in the administration have to justify this.

 

[Daddy Gee]

he and staff was more middle of the pack. the buyout package was pretty good I agree but not the salary as relates to others.

As I responded to Carter, I think it is more a philosophy than a dollar issue when hiring replacements. Pearl's salary had gotten up 2.3. I think success by Dooley and/or Martin would get their salaries up. But when hiring replacements, our institution is not going to chose to go out an depend 3, 4 or 5 million to bring in coaches. They were not even willing to talk to Grant because of his salary (1.8)

This is what I understand as the approach on the last hire.

I'd like to hear someone in the administration have to justify this.

if they didn't talk to grant, then who did they talk to seriously?

 

[WA_Vol]

I asked you one question about it. How that somehow makes the leap to me saying it was some miracle I don't understand.

I'm tired of discussing this with you. You want to make excuses for his record don't complain when people call you out on it. 11-22 with 5 scholarship players doesn't impress anyone except maybe you and law.

 

[bamacheats]

Is it a philosophy or are they just cheap. I'll tell you one thing that isn't cheap, ticket prices or their fat donations they require every year. They've got it, they should do what others do , spend it. You want winners then you do what is necessary to get them here. You want mid majors then well you know what i'm saying.

They do spend it. On Pat.
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