Nothing Against Coach Martin...

Status
Not open for further replies.
#205
#205
cotton said:
I wonder sometimes what would constitute a bad hire with some of our fanbase.
Click to expand...

What would constitute a good hire for you?

K, Roy, Self, Cal, Dixon, Wright, maybe Brad?

We were never going to get any of them.

Be happy with the solid pick up who won't commit unnecessary 'AA infractions like the previously coach.

Edit: I forgot to say flame away.
 
Last edited:
#211
#211
calban said:
But to be fair:
Marshall was in his 12th year as a head coach last year and Martin was in his second.
It takes time to develop recruiting territories.
Martin is a Keady product. Four other Keady assistants had teams in the dance this year including Stallings.
Cuonzo could turn out to be the best of the crop.
But I'm a Cuonzo fan. So it's just MO.
Click to expand...

This was Martin's 3rd at Missouri St. and never made an NCAA tournament, which was the main reason cited for the previous coach being replaced after 9 seasons.
 
#212
#212
oklavol said:
Do you really believe the first time Grunfeld was asked for his opinion was the Pearl hire? What about the previous coaches that flopped? Peterson, Green, Houston, etc?

Michael Jordan knows more about basketball then any of us too. Doesn't mean he would make a good GM and hire the best coach or sign the best players.
Click to expand...

We can actually confirm Jordan was a horrible front office guy, no speculation neccessary
Posted via VolNation Mobile
 
#213
#213
Shadowboxer said:
What's with the obsession of Lon Kruger? The dude has barely over 60% win percentage (479–304 (.612) and has had only two good tourney runs (elite eight with k-state and a final four with florida and The Meat Hook)?

He is an older coach in a business that is fast becoming a young coach's sport. Look at the Final Four for instance. Calhoun is a dinosaur and Calipari is still relatively young. Then you have two 30-something head coaches.

I want someone who can be here for 10 years plus and build some stability and I thought we had it with Pearl till he started trying to cheat to keep up with the Joneses.
Click to expand...

JMO but if Freddy Kruger was or is this great coach he wouldnt be at Nevada or UNLV or where ever he is at.To be honest I didnt even know he was still coaching until this thread came out.Id much rather have Martin.Id rather had Stevens but we dont.
 
Last edited:
#214
#214
Come to think of it when was the last time UT made a big time hire in any sport? Majors? Obviously UT is not a destination job for the great majority of established coaches. So I really don't understand the surprise and disappointment in the hire. We were lucky that Fulmer was a UT man and already on staff or our fb team might have been a mess years ago. Its not just Hamilton people. This has been the norm for decades. Not saying we don't have the funds and facilities to get a "name" but for whatever reason they do not want to come here.
 
#216
#216
oklavol said:
This was Martin's 3rd at Missouri St. and never made an NCAA tournament, which was the main reason cited for the previous coach being replaced after 9 seasons.
Click to expand...

I'm going to just assume you missed the fact that when he got there he had 5 scholarship players, and a huge rebuilding job to do. And in his second season, he had a huge turnaround and then in his third had them win their league in the regular season. That's impressive.
 
#217
#217
tnvols72 said:
JMO but if Freddy Kruger was or is this great coach he wouldnt be at Nevada or UNLV or where ever he is at.To be honest I didnt even know he was still coaching until this thread came out.Id much rather have Martin.Id rather had Stevens but we dont.
Click to expand...

i was thinking the same thing. im not too impressed with kruger's recent coaching jobs. yeah, he's had decent records, but finishing 4th or 5th consistantly in that conference is nothing to hang your hat on. not that cuonzo has a stronger resume, but i could definitely see martin having more upside than kruger
 
#218
#218
tvols75 said:
I'm going to just assume you missed the fact that when he got there he had 5 scholarship players, and a huge rebuilding job to do. And in his second season, he had a huge turnaround and then in his third had them win their league in the regular season. That's impressive.
Click to expand...

And I'll just assume you missed the fact with those 5 scholarship players he went 11-20. For reference Missouri States previous coach was 17-16, 22-11, and 22-9 the three previous seasons before Martin took over. In 3 seasons Martin was 11-20, 24-12, and 26-9.

So to put that in numbers:

Hinson's 3 previous seasons @ Missouri St: 61-36 (.629)
Martin's 3 seasons @ Missouri State: 61-41 (.598)
 
Last edited:
#219
#219
oklavol said:
And I'll just assume you missed the fact with those 5 scholarship players he went 11-20. For reference Missouri States previous coach was 17-16, 22-11, and 22-9 the three previous seasons before Martin took over. In 3 seasons Martin was 11-20, 24-12, and 26-9.

So to put that in numbers:

Hinson's 3 previous seasons @ Missouri St: 61-36 (.629)
Martin's 3 seasons @ Missouri State: 61-41 (.598)
Click to expand...

But couldn't you turn that around and say that the previous coach's last year (out of those 3) was his worst, indicating some kind of deterioration of talent that CCM would have to deal with in his first year?
Posted via VolNation Mobile
 
#220
#220
trevols81 said:
What would constitute a good hire for you?
Click to expand...

I would look for a guy who has had some sustained success. I would look for a good recruiter. I would look for a person without NCAA baggage.

I think there are probably some names between the 7 you listed and Martin. I do not know how many of them were contacted but declined interest.
 
#221
#221
gorockytop101 said:
But couldn't you turn that around and say that the previous coach's last year (out of those 3) was his worst, indicating some kind of deterioration of talent that CCM would have to deal with in his first year?
Posted via VolNation Mobile
Click to expand...

The main reason given for Hinson's dismissal was not making the NCAA tournament, not his W/L record, he never had a losing season.

Martin definitely showed improvement each season, some of that due to winning 4 games to win CIT tournament his 2nd season.
 
#222
#222
oklavol said:
The main reason given for Hinson's dismissal was not making the NCAA tournament, not his W/L record, he never had a losing season.

Martin definitely showed improvement each season, some of that due to winning 4 games to win CIT tournament his 2nd season.
Click to expand...

If Martin was left with 5 scholarship players, then it's obvious that not making the NCAA tourney wasn't the only reason Hinson was being fired. What you're doing is skewing the facts to fit your opinion that Martin was a bad hire.
 
#223
#223
oklavol said:
The main reason given for Hinson's dismissal was not making the NCAA tournament, not his W/L record, he never had a losing season.

Martin definitely showed improvement each season, some of that due to winning 4 games to win CIT tournament his 2nd season.
Click to expand...
Hinson inherited a team that had been to the sweet 16 the year before. Could that be the reason he didn't start in the red?
 
#225
#225
LawVol13 said:
If Martin was left with 5 scholarship players, then it's obvious that not making the NCAA tourney wasn't the only reason Hinson was being fired. What you're doing is skewing the facts to fit your opinion that Martin was a bad hire.
Click to expand...

The reason given in the press release for Hinson's dismissal was not making the NCAA tournament in 9 seasons as coach. That's not skewing anything that is a fact.

I'm going strictly by the numbers of the two coaches, you ae the one struggling to be objective.
 
New posts
Status
Not open for further replies.

VN Store



Back
Top