Nothing Against Coach Martin...

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Domestic Silence said:
No offense, but you could tweet Martin's accomplishments and still have characters left over...unless we need more filler material such as "growing up in a tough area in east st. louis".
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The difference, to me, is that Hamilton is banking on Martin's potential as a big time coach and Kruger is a proven commodity in that he's good, but not great and his ceiling has been hit. Martin's a lot like Dooley in having a thin resume, but with some prominent people stating they are up and coming studs.
 
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BoseefusTheVol said:
What do alot of you guys don't understand? This is the only kind of hire Tennessee can make. We were always a small time basketball school. One Elite 8 is our greatest accomplishment. What big time hot shot coach would want this disaster of a program?? I don't care how much money you offer... Would have looked like fools if we kept throwing money to coaches out of our league and then get turned down one after the other in public.

You try to identify a coach at a small time school that is hungry to prove himself... And hopefully that is what we get with CCM. I like this hire. I like his story. I like the fact that he learned from Gene Keady. Hamilton is a huge failure, but I believe he got this one right. JMO.
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I agree with the bolded part.

I've never been a big fan of UT basketball, but I've watched, or followed - or whatever you call it - them since the late 60's. I remember B. Justus, Len Kosmoski (sp), UT upsetting SC when SC was #1, Pistol Pete scoring around 70 against UT, maybe even at Stokley, I remember Ernie and Bernie being on the cover of SI and it burning Kentucky fans to the core, (had one KY fan bring that issue of SI and show it to me and he was wanting to know if we were enjoying it. He wasn't and I liked that.) I remember UCLA running the Ernie and Bernie show off the court, I remember Roth and Fedderman, the Houston era, and so on.

UT basketball has been competitive, but I don't recall them ever accomplishing being great - at least not for any extended time. IMO, that's how it is at UT, men's basketball is small time compared to football.

I hope "Zo" can do good at UT, but I would like to see some great basketball, not just good. But if the past is any indication of the future, I don't see it happening at UT. If you can get used to a fair to middling, so-so, second rate ncaa basketball team, that seems to be what UT's leaders are prepared to give you.
 
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Unimane said:
The difference, to me, is that Hamilton is banking on Martin's potential as a big time coach and Kruger is a proven commodity in that he's good, but not great and his ceiling has been hit. Martin's a lot like Dooley in having a thin resume, but with some prominent people stating they are up and coming studs.
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Mike Hamilton and co. banking on CCM being a "big time coach" is a huge stretch. What evidence are they banking that on? It could be argued that this is the biggest coaching hire in the history of our basketball program, based on which direction it could take us (elevating up or falling in to the ground), and our Athletic Administration is banking on someone so unproven that the only resume information they could provide during his presser was that he "grew up in a tough east St. Louis area and beat cancer"? No offense, but going to need more basketball related data to "bank" on.
 
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tvols75 said:
So you are backing off from your original comment of Ernie only knowing him from two ESPN televised games?
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It's clearly obvious that Grunfeld only knows about a college coach when he is able to catch a game on ESPN. How could he possibly know anything any other way. I mean he's not really involved in basketball at all---is he?
 
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MWR said:
I agree with the bolded part.

I've never been a big fan of UT basketball, but I've watched, or followed - or whatever you call it - them since the late 60's. I remember B. Justus, Len Kosmoski (sp), UT upsetting SC when SC was #1, Pistol Pete scoring around 70 against UT, maybe even at Stokley, I remember Ernie and Bernie being on the cover of SI and it burning Kentucky fans to the core, (had one KY fan bring that issue of SI and show it to me and he was wanting to know if we were enjoying it. He wasn't and I liked that.) I remember UCLA running the Ernie and Bernie show off the court, I remember Roth and Fedderman, the Houston era, and so on.

UT basketball has been competitive, but I don't recall them ever accomplishing being great - at least not for any extended time. IMO, that's how it is at UT, men's basketball is small time compared to football.

I hope "Zo" can do good at UT, but I would like to see some great basketball, not just good. But if the past is any indication of the future, I don't see it happening at UT. If you can get used to a fair to middling, so-so, second rate ncaa basketball team, that seems to be what UT's leaders are prepared to give you.
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Your memory is quite good except for the Pistol Pete part. He had his lowest scoring games of his career when he played against UT.
 
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ochocinco said:
in our situation you cant sell 25k tickets by bringing in a 60 yr old vagabond coach. empty arenas would have been very very bad. we needed hope and flash. the fans and students can support Martin, they really got behind him at mizz st. its not only about who is the best 'coach' available. this is chess, not checkers.
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Telling me Rick Pitino wouldn't have sold tix?
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mtvols said:
We are not going to spend the money plus no big name coach wants this job because of possible sanctions. It's not that hard to figure out why we hired who we did.
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are good to have and they can be fun but only time will tell who's right and who's wrong. But until then...
GO VOLS!:rock:
 
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hatvol96 said:
but if Oklahoma is able to hire Lon Kruger, I want Mike Hamilton fired and Jimmy Cheek banned from ever getting within 100 miles of a coaching search again.
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Is Oklahoma facing possible NCAA sanctions? Do they have a lame duck AD? I still think we should have hired an interim coach , fired Hamilton, hired the best AD money could buy, then after knowing all of the penalities the program faces, hired a top level coach.

Martin may be the best coach, with a clean record, that the search committee could pan out.
 
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I think that with regard to what Kenyon has to offer vis a vis Harvard and Yale that it might be instructive for some of you to remember what I had to say at the Peeps' kegger in the fall of '76,
 
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BasketvolsFan said:
Your memory is quite good except for the Pistol Pete part. He had his lowest scoring games of his career when he played against UT.
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You are probably right. I remember him struggling against UT, but I thought he had one big game against them. Probably was some other team than UT. Too many years ago. Good thing the 3 point line didn't exist back then because Pete played for his dad, Press and he was kinda like James Bond, he had a license to shoot.

I think there was a guy named Tom Boerwinkle who played for the Vols and maybe went on to play for the Bulls. Some may say played and some may say he was just a big body. But that was a long time ago and to tell the truth, UT basketball could have been more memorable.
 
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Unfortunately Mears is best remembered as one of the best coaches to never advance past the sweet 16 in the NCAA tournament.
 
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rockydoc said:
Because at that time with no shot clock, Mears would have his team hold the ball for minutes at a time.
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Absolutely no question that the major reason he scored little against us compared to other teams was the fact that Mears played the slow down game. Actually, those Mears' teams were some very good teams for that time.
 
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hatvol96 said:
I'm still amazed Buzz Williams would sign a contract with a 3.5 mil buyout.
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I'm not trying to slam Martin, but Williams or Marshall, if either one of them end up at Oklahoma, would have been a more proven coach and a better hire. I don't know if OU can actually land either of them.
 
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oklavol said:
I'm not trying to slam Martin, but Williams or Marshall, if either one of them end up at Oklahoma, would have been a more proven coach and a better hire. I don't know if OU can actually land either of them.
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Of course they can land Marshall. We could have landed Marshall; we chose Martin instead. I'm not completely convinced that Marshall is obviously better than Martin. Martin swept Marshall this year.
 
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hamilton should have been shown the door, at the latest, when that interview aired days before the michigan game.

we employ the worst ad in america and our men's athletic department as a whole is a mess.
 
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