Now Joe Says He Will Debate

[hndog609]

I'll define it as "conservatives tired of RINO sh!t"

I was actually circling around this same definition. Trump's main role was to show it was politically viable to take such a stance. It will be really interesting once he's gone (this election or not) how that POV plays out.

 

[Sandman 423]

How is this even up for debate? We got like 5 lefties doing tons of work, yes, but that's about it. We got maybe 20% of us that are genuinely 3rd party, and the rest is right wing.

Spamming us with other peoples twits isn't putting in work.

 

[Jxn Vol]

Can Trump debate in the orange jumpsuit he so richly deserves ?

At this point you are just pretending to be an attorney on this message board. Have you and Turbo ever been seen together in the same room. Both

 

[marcusluvsvols]

That’ll keep him going for the show…

Come on its time to go.

 

[utvolpj]

Spamming us with other peoples twits isn't putting in work.

We get righty spammed more often. The daily dose of unfunny political cartoons and repetitive memes really pads the stats though

 

[hog88]

I'll define it as "conservatives tired of RINO sh!t"

I don't consider the leader of that movement conservative in the least. BUT I will grant you that I buy tired of the establishment BS.

 

[Orangeburst]

If I was Trump, I would say only after Biden is nominated.

 

[85SugarVol]

Yeah, there is.

Name them then

 

[DinkinFlicka]

I'll define it as "conservatives tired of RINO sh!t"

They're not conservatives though.

 

[n_huffhines]

There's a difference in attacking him and disagreeing. Tim Scott is a good example. He avoided attacking him, but disagreed with certain things. But did so respectfully.

Christie on the other hand is a prime example of what not to do. Need I explain how he tried to be the hero and go all out?

I understand that, and it doesn't matter to my point. The point is I don't believe Trump is untouchable to at least half the party. Half the party would be thrilled with a charismatic, small government conservative who went on the offensive against Trump.

Again, where did Scott end up? How is he a good example?

 

[Gandalf]

Trump is turning 78 years old next month. The MAGA "movement," as you call it, isn't really based on any specific ideology or policy-based. It's simply a loud, brash brand of politics with no indication that it works for anyone but Donald Trump. Look at all of the Trump-endorsed candidates who echoed his election denial claims and lost in the 2022 mid-term elections. They did very poorly.

I think this is the democrats and rhino republicans biggest mistake. MAGA is an ideology fused from the materials of conservatism, populism and nationalism. It has core concepts that one can either adhere to or violate. Trump is its most famous proponent but by no means its only messenger and certainly not its best representative. In fact, MAGA is something even greater than Trumpism, which itself can be separated from Trump himself.

The growing disparity between rich and poor since the 50s has rightly been identified by democrats as a major problem but sadly they offered marxism as a solution. A huge swath of the GOP has broken from the country club crowd and in many ways adopted some insights of what democrats once promised for the working poor.

In general MAGA can probably best be defined as a framework with these tenets:


1. Patriotism and National Pride
2. Economic Nationalism
3. Immigration Control
4. Law and Order
5. Military Strength but Avoiding Foreign Wars
6. Skepticism of Globalism
7. Constitutionalism and Traditional Values
8. Populism and Anti-Establishment Sentiment
9. Economic Policies Favoring Growth
10. Christian Values and Religious Freedom
11. Free Speech and First Amendment Rights

 

[marcusluvsvols]

This is only happening because Biden knows he is in trouble. If he were up in the polls, he wouldn’t consider this

Exactly. They know Joe is so far behind that they cant steal the election again with fraudulent votes and middle of the night malfeasance... because even the badly skewed Dimwit polls that all said Hillarys rotten arse was gonna win easily NOW have Trump winning . They are taking the big risk hoping something, anything gets Crooked Joe close enough in the polls that they can steal 4 more years of absolutely destroying this country. Theres no way in Hell they ever get Joe ahead in the polls. No. Way. Hes an abject failure in every single metric and the vast majority of Dimwits wont even admit they voted for him. Hell, most of the Dimwits here wont admit they voted for him.

This is going to be good. Glad its before early voting. TBH, Joe had little choice to debate when he is getting this far behind.

The VP debate though? no matter who Trump picks, its going to be like running in the special olympics or clubbing baby seals vs Kamala.

Cackles speaks in weird nursery rhymes, lies incessantly, and like Joe has done absolutely nothing in 4 years as a VP. Easiest job in America these days. VPs are paid very well and become millionaires overnight...by simply staying out of the public eye and keeping their mouths shut. "Groundbreaking 1st woman VP" has been absolutely M.I.A. for the last 4 years. The only times she made the news were in the 1st year...when she did dumb stuff and got put in "time out" just like Barry did to Joe.

 

[hog88]

I think this is the democrats and rhino republicans biggest mistake. MAGA is an ideology fused from the materials of conservatism, populism and nationalism. It has core concepts that one can either adhere to or violate. Trump is its most famous proponent but by no means its only messenger and certainly not its best representative. In fact, MAGA is something even greater than Trumpism, which itself can be separated from Trump himself.

The growing disparity between rich and poor since the 50s has rightly been identified by democrats as a major problem but sadly they offered marxism as a solution. A huge swath of the GOP has broken from the country club crowd and in many ways adopted some insights of what democrats once promised for the working poor.

In general MAGA can probably best be defined as a framework with these tenets:


1. Patriotism and National Pride
2. Economic Nationalism
3. Immigration Control
4. Law and Order
5. Military Strength but Avoiding Foreign Wars
6. Skepticism of Globalism
7. Constitutionalism and Traditional Values
8. Populism and Anti-Establishment Sentiment
9. Economic Policies Favoring Growth
10. Christian Values and Religious Freedom
11. Free Speech and First Amendment Rights

You left the most important and really only thing that will save this country off your list. The one thing no serious presidential candidate has even addressed once in office.

12. Reduce the size, scope and power of the federal government to the point where it doesn't matter to the average American who's in power.

You do that right there and the rest pretty much fixes itself.

 

[BowlBrother85]

I think this is the democrats and rhino republicans biggest mistake. MAGA is an ideology fused from the materials of conservatism, populism and nationalism. It has core concepts that one can either adhere to or violate. Trump is its most famous proponent but by no means its only messenger and certainly not its best representative. In fact, MAGA is something even greater than Trumpism, which itself can be separated from Trump himself.

The growing disparity between rich and poor since the 50s has rightly been identified by democrats as a major problem but sadly they offered marxism as a solution. A huge swath of the GOP has broken from the country club crowd and in many ways adopted some insights of what democrats once promised for the working poor.

In general MAGA can probably best be defined as a framework with these tenets:


1. Patriotism and National Pride
2. Economic Nationalism
3. Immigration Control
4. Law and Order
5. Military Strength but Avoiding Foreign Wars
6. Skepticism of Globalism
7. Constitutionalism and Traditional Values
8. Populism and Anti-Establishment Sentiment
9. Economic Policies Favoring Growth
10. Christian Values and Religious Freedom
11. Free Speech and First Amendment Rights

Trump doesn't represent hardly any of those things. Certainly not law and order or Christian values.

 

[Orangeburst]

Dems want to see a debate bump before the DNC. If no bump, he is possibly out, if you believe that theory.

 

[BowlBrother85]

12. Reduce the size, scope and power of the federal government to the point where it doesn't matter to the average American who's in power.

Trump was a big spender who bailed out the farming industry and governed by way of executive orders. He got very little legislation passed, even when Republicans controlled both Chambers of Congress during his first two years in office. You are seeing something in him which simply isn't there. Trump was a tyrant.

 

[GroverCleveland]

June and September. Again, my question is, can he do it without a handful of notes, or an earpiece?

Can he do it without crystal meth?

 

[Orangeburst]

You left the most important and really only thing that will save this country off your list. The one thing no serious presidential candidate has even addressed once in office.

12. Reduce the size, scope and power of the federal government to the point where it doesn't matter to the average American who's in power.

You do that right there and the rest pretty much fixes itself.

Heritage Project 2025

 

[hog88]

Trump was a big spender who bailed out the farming industry and governed by way of executive orders. He got very little legislation passed, even when Republicans controlled both Chambers of Congress during his first two years in office. You are seeing something in him which simply isn't there. Trump was a tyrant.

How in the hell did you get that I was referring to or saying Trump did anything to reduce the fed .gov in that post?

 

[BowlBrother85]

How in the hell did you get that I was referring to or saying Trump did anything to reduce the fed .gov in that post?

Weren't you saying that it was part of the "MAGA movement" to reduce the scope of government?

 

[marcusluvsvols]

I'm guessing most have been banned.

Several come back as alters though...

I'll define it as "conservatives tired of RINO sh!t"

Conservatives need to get our crap together though.

Example of RINOs:

Every single Repub that just voted to pass another $100B full of earmarked pork BS that sent another $60B plus to Ukraine, and had a whole bunch of Dimwit garbage in it...every single 1 of them should be thrown out on their azzes. All of them. Why do we keep tolerating these Republicans in Congress that campaign as fiscal conservative, family values...then go to DC and vote the EXACT OPPOSITE right along with the Dimwits??? They do it over and over and over and people just say "oh well" and elect them again? WTF is wrong with people? If a representative isnt gonna do what they say and vote the way you want them to...why the Hell would you ever vote for them again? Yet Republicans do it again and again. This crap doesnt happen on the Dimwit side. Those losers are not gonna cross party lines...EVER. It never happens. They sold their souls long long ago and are bought and paid for. They vote for big spending, big government, and whatever God says NOT to do...every time. Never changes. They are exactly what they say they are. Trash. No mystery there.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Name them then

I find it hard to believe that you actually think that Republicans/Conservatives aren't in a much larger majority on this forum. It does seem a ridiculous thing to argue. It makes sense that it is that way .... Tennessee is a red state, and east Tennessee especially, tends to vote heavily Republican.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Trump was a big spender who bailed out the farming industry and governed by way of executive orders. He got very little legislation passed, even when Republicans controlled both Chambers of Congress during his first two years in office. You are seeing something in him which simply isn't there. Trump was a tyrant.

I agree with some of this. Trump was not able to repeal Barrycare or get the border wall built in the 1st two years with the Repubs having a narrow majority in both houses of Congress....but its because we are actually governed by the Uniparty and the jacklegs that were sent to DC to do the EXACT things above Trump tried to get done would not support him...because they are Uniparty RINO big government traitors. That isnt on Trump. Thats on them. The people who elected both Trump AND those stupid RINOs absolutely wanted BOTH things done. They still do today. This country is screwed because both did not get done.

Its also hilarious that you call Trump a "tyrant" because of executive orders. Biden used almost 100 of them in his first 48 hours in an office he should have never occupied to destroy this country. Cancelled the pipeline, changed the border law to intentionally Kickstart the invasion...you name it. Both these candidates suck but for you to call Trump a tyrant due to XOs is absolutely ridiculous and hypocritical unless you called your boy Biden a tyrant too? I thought we would never have a worse failure as president than Carter or Obama....Crooked Joe just made sure there is zero doubt as to who is the worst ever. He has redefined failure.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

I think this is the democrats and rhino republicans biggest mistake. MAGA is an ideology fused from the materials of conservatism, populism and nationalism. It has core concepts that one can either adhere to or violate. Trump is its most famous proponent but by no means its only messenger and certainly not its best representative. In fact, MAGA is something even greater than Trumpism, which itself can be separated from Trump himself.

The growing disparity between rich and poor since the 50s has rightly been identified by democrats as a major problem but sadly they offered marxism as a solution. A huge swath of the GOP has broken from the country club crowd and in many ways adopted some insights of what democrats once promised for the working poor.

In general MAGA can probably best be defined as a framework with these tenets:


1. Patriotism and National Pride
2. Economic Nationalism
3. Immigration Control
4. Law and Order
5. Military Strength but Avoiding Foreign Wars
6. Skepticism of Globalism
7. Constitutionalism and Traditional Values
8. Populism and Anti-Establishment Sentiment
9. Economic Policies Favoring Growth
10. Christian Values and Religious Freedom
11. Free Speech and First Amendment Rights

Most of these MAGA wants a one way street on. They want Dems to have Traditional and Christian values but they gloss over Trump raw dogging porn stars. They want law and order for Dems but chose to ignore it for similar violations done by Trump. I can go on and on....

There is very little consistent principles at play here. Just like the Ds or Rs, MAGA will flip flop on a principle if it suits their argument, which makes them no better than the so-called uniparty...