Obama wants driver's licneses for illegals

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Well I guess I might as well chime in on this, so here goes....

When is it OK for people to break laws?? When they need money to support their families?? When they need food?? When they need utilities and a home?? I thought we punished American's for this very thing. I thought that this country had a law system in place that dealt with these very crimes. Is it me or do people care very little about the law anymore??

The biggest part of the whole problem is, the illegal immigration problem is trying to be solved by the heart. You cannot use your heart to solve problems that are in this country.

Another thing is, even though some may pay income tax, I would almost be willing to bet that almost 30-40% of most illegals get paid under the table. If you think that all companies keep I-9's and W-4's on their employees and do background checks then your nuts when it comes to this issue. Why would they want to pay taxes in on these people?? They don't, that's the answer.

On healthcare, have you heard that TB is making a comeback?? TB is a serious disease that the illegals are bringing with them. The broken system we have today is only continuing to crumble because they cannot turn these people away and they have no way to pay so you can imagine who pays for it.

If we continue to go down this path we are on, then the SS system is going to buckle and all those people that have paid SS tax all these years won't have a DIME to show for it if they didn't invest it in mutual funds or other avenues of retirement.

Also, why should we let them in here to rape our women, kill people on the roads while intoxicated, and murder our citizens in other ways as well??

Here's an outdated outline of what illegals cost this country. Since it is old I would say you could probably double or triple it since it's been published. BTW, since they only mostly have low-skilled jobs as some would point out, then that means they are in the 10% bracket of the country in paying taxes for their work. The math just doesn't work for this problem, plain and simple.

Center for Immigration Studies

No matter how you argue it, for or against it, this is not a matter to be solved by the heart.
 
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[ Is it me or do people care very little about the law anymore??

:no:

The biggest part of the whole problem is, the illegal immigration problem is trying to be solved by the heart.

:yes:

The broken system we have today is only continuing to crumble because they cannot turn these people away and they have no way to pay so you can imagine who pays for it.

amen. That hacks me too.

Also, why should we let them in here to rape our women, kill people on the roads while intoxicated, and murder our citizens in other ways as well??

:shakehead: There are many legal citizens in prision for rape, multiple DWI's, and Vehicular Manslaughter.
 
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TXVOL07 said:
[ Is it me or do people care very little about the law anymore??

:no:

The biggest part of the whole problem is, the illegal immigration problem is trying to be solved by the heart.

:yes:

The broken system we have today is only continuing to crumble because they cannot turn these people away and they have no way to pay so you can imagine who pays for it.

amen. That hacks me too.

Also, why should we let them in here to rape our women, kill people on the roads while intoxicated, and murder our citizens in other ways as well??

:shakehead: There are many legal citizens in prision for rape, multiple DWI's, and Vehicular Manslaughter.
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So just because people who are citizens in this country do it, then it's OK for the illegals, who if they weren't here in the first place, to go ahead and do it as well?? You do realize that in Mexico and other Latin countries, that driving while intoxicated is taught as being a right to passage to becoming a man right??
 
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I am not trying to solve this issue by heart. As to your statement about laws: If there is no victim can there be a crime? People get so wrapped up in this issue over the words "law", "legal", and "illegal". It is absolutely ridiculous. Throughout history there are countless times when laws have been overturned or viewed in hindsight as unjust and/or immoral. If Japanese-Americans had escaped their internment camps in the 1940s, you would have classified them as criminals.

Most large, labor intensive companies actually want to pay the taxes for their "illegal" workers. This practice tends to imply to the IRS, GAO, and ICE that they are in fact hiring legal labor. Hence, they are less likely to be caught and then less likely to incur massive fines.

The resurgence of tuberculosis is not linked to illegal immigration. Research seems to indicate that this resurgence is a result of weakened immune systems through recreational drug use and/or changing environmental conditions (to include less time spent outdoors). Nice try on that one.

And, yes, the Mexicans come to America to rape and pillage, because they are obviously savages.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
So just because people who are citizens in this country do it, then it's OK for the illegals, who if they weren't here in the first place, to go ahead and do it as well?? You do realize that in Mexico and other Latin countries, that driving while intoxicated is taught as being a right to passage to becoming a man right??
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Look man I agreed with you on all the above statements except when you generalized the entire crime problem in this country to immigrants. Check it again. My statement only recognized that many criminals are not immigrants. I never said it is "ok" for them to behave that way. And as far as this whole "Right of Passage" concept, I'd love to see that evidence. We agree on a lot of this stuff, but some of your points are a bit irrational.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
So just because people who are citizens in this country do it, then it's OK for the illegals, who if they weren't here in the first place, to go ahead and do it as well?? You do realize that in Mexico and other Latin countries, that driving while intoxicated is taught as being a right to passage to becoming a man right??
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Another right of passage in these Latin countries (again, uncivilized savage beasts) is the gang-rape and forced sodomy.
 
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therealUT said:
I am not trying to solve this issue by heart. As to your statement about laws: If there is no victim can there be a crime? People get so wrapped up in this issue over the words "law", "legal", and "illegal". It is absolutely ridiculous. Throughout history there are countless times when laws have been overturned or viewed in hindsight as unjust and/or immoral. If Japanese-Americans had escaped their internment camps in the 1940s, you would have classified them as criminals.

Most large, labor intensive companies actually want to pay the taxes for their "illegal" workers. This practice tends to imply to the IRS, GAO, and ICE that they are in fact hiring legal labor. Hence, they are less likely to be caught and then less likely to incur massive fines.

The resurgence of tuberculosis is not linked to illegal immigration. Research seems to indicate that this resurgence is a result of weakened immune systems through recreational drug use and/or changing environmental conditions (to include less time spent outdoors). Nice try on that one.

And, yes, the Mexicans come to America to rape and pillage, because they are obviously savages.
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Whatever. I tell you what, you goto the majority of companies that employee these illegal aliens and tell them you are "ICE" and see what happens. Bad g8terh8ter, BAD!!

BTW, the Japanese-Americans were released from those camps and since you use Japanese-American there then the only way you can say that is if you say they have duel citizenships in both countries.

As far as TB goes, it is a "poor" disease by nature and even the CDC says that increased migration, as they call it, is mostly responsible for the poor diseases making a comeback. The even carry leprosy. So our drug users that have weakened immune systems are more responsible for transmitting these diseases than immigrants, legal or illegal?? Come on TRUT, I know your smarter than that man.

I never said Mexicans were savages, that's the label people in favor of letting these people stay put on me since I don't want people who aren't supposed to be here rape and kill our citizens.
 
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The only evidence I found for you was on a web site titled everyculture.com . The articles concerning your statement were supported primarily by Mexican-American Social groups, and most were found to be Radical Activist Groups for the "persecution" of Chicano cultures. All were also happily located in and around San Bernidino otherwise known as California (where everyone has an agenda). The only reputable contributor came from a woman at Texas University in Austin. Again, a place where everyone has an agenda.

In short, raping women, driving drunk, and causing public disturbance is NOT a cultural right of passage. It undoubtedly has a purpose in gang initiation, rituals, ect... but it aint some "proud to be a Mexican" thing.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Whatever. I tell you what, you goto the majority of companies that employee these illegal aliens and tell them you are "ICE" and see what happens. Bad g8terh8ter, BAD!!

BTW, the Japanese-Americans were released from those camps and since you use Japanese-American there then the only way you can say that is if you say they have duel citizenships in both countries.

As far as TB goes, it is a "poor" disease by nature and even the CDC says that increased migration, as they call it, is mostly responsible for the poor diseases making a comeback. The even carry leprosy. So our drug users that have weakened immune systems are more responsible for transmitting these diseases than immigrants, legal or illegal?? Come on TRUT, I know your smarter than that man.

I never said Mexicans were savages, that's the label people in favor of letting these people stay put on me since I don't want people who aren't supposed to be here rape and kill our citizens.
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Funny, because I found this on the CDC's website:
we have had a steady decline in the number of persons with TB since 1992

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Seems like TB cases and immigrants entering America would have an inverse relationship...
 
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droski said:
i believe the stat is that 1 in 4 illegal immigrants have criminal records in mexico.
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I am quite curious as to how you come up with that stat, since "illegal immigrants" are undocumented and there is not a solid confirmed count of how many are in the US. The only plausible stat that one might be able to throw out there might sound like this "1 in 4 illegal immigrants who are arrested in the United States, had criminal records in Mexico." If that is the case, then I do not find that as a very big deal. Few "illegal immigrants" are arrested simply for being "illegal immigrants." So, logic would tell us that if you are a criminal, you are a criminal. (Might as well say 4 in 4 illegal immigrants have criminal records in Mexico, since the stat is absolutely senseless anyhow.)
 
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therealUT said:
I am quite curious as to how you come up with that stat, since "illegal immigrants" are undocumented and there is not a solid confirmed count of how many are in the US. The only plausible stat that one might be able to throw out there might sound like this "1 in 4 illegal immigrants who are arrested in the United States, had criminal records in Mexico." If that is the case, then I do not find that as a very big deal. Few "illegal immigrants" are arrested simply for being "illegal immigrants." So, logic would tell us that if you are a criminal, you are a criminal. (Might as well say 4 in 4 illegal immigrants have criminal records in Mexico, since the stat is absolutely senseless anyhow.)
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i believe this stat comes from those arrested by the border patrol when crossing the border. obviously s a very small % of people crossing the border actually get caught, but still a resonable sample IMO.
 
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I'm still waiting for the explanation on how "illegals" pay income tax. If they don't have a SS number then how to businesses process it?? I'm sure the IRS is waiting on this explanation as well.
 
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droski said:
and obama should realize it's his people, the inner city blacks, getting the most screwed by the illegal immigrants. all of the problems and almost no of the benefits.
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I thought Obama was an American. His people are all of us, not just the "blacks"

I have seen a lot of your posts and I don't think you are a racist of any sort, but this statement suggest you are and don't know it. These kind of statements are clear proof that we still have a long way to go in country in regards to racial equality
 
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truefan said:
I thought Obama was an American. His people are all of us, not just the "blacks"

I have seen a lot of your posts and I don't think you are a racist of any sort, but this statement suggest you are and don't know it. These kind of statements are clear proof that we still have a long way to go in country in regards to racial equality
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Oh please, get off your horse. Obama will use this type of language himself whenever it benefits him. Does this make him racist?
 
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truefan said:
Show me some documentation of him doing so.
I don't think you will find it.
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When trying to help get Harold Ford elected he made the comment "I'm feeling lonely in Washington", as a reason to elect Ford. Now I am sure it was made with a bit if humor and I don't find it racist at all. But it is an injection based on race.
 
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allvol123 said:
When trying to help get Harold Ford elected he made the comment "I'm feeling lonely in Washington", as a reason to elect Ford. Now I am sure it was made with a bit if humor and I don't find it racist at all. But it is an injection based on race.
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That would be 1 of 1,000 comments someone could label any politician being a racist.
 
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